Woah...that's a lot of rambling away to yourself there, churchmouse. Those of us who are pro choice care about people and the rights of people You don't.
Its not our fault that you cannot imagine any other moral system than either your deontologic "god-given" christian morality or full-blown nihilism. You present a false dichotomy. Ever heard of consequentialism or utilitarianism? Virtue ethics? Secular humanism?
Do you think that if you use enough big words or add another couple of isms to your post that you can overcome the fact that another preborn baby has just been aborted?
so you are saying that secular humanists believe rape is ok? that pedophilia is ok? hmmm...I am relieved then that our laws are based on Christian values then and not any of the fringe cults you cite.
press them on any of those big words and they'll make up their own definitions on the spot to fit what they think will 'win' their point.. off topic, but hey, Megadeathfan...did you hear that the Megadeath lead singer endorsed Santorum??
Ahh (*)(*)(*)(*), it was too, my apologies. Sorry but lifers can become somewhat, repetitive in their cowardice. Since you didnt make that claim, does this mean you will say why you think abortion is wrong and debate me?
You said "abortion is ok to you because you obviously can't tell the difference between right and wrong". Explain what this right and wrong paradigm is. Go on, I'm waiting. Nope. I will be making a thread for 'Thinker' and I to use tomorrow. You are welcome to contribute.
Nope. Some of it, this is a contentious issue I havent much thought about. For the sake of harmony I'll say no. Not in an of itself - the abuse of children that is wrong, if that's what you mean. How do I prove what you said? No my morals are not contrived as you may believe. Logic. Agree with what? I'm tolerant of their view, but I will try to oppose the tyranny they may actively enforce - such as rape.
You were Known By God before you were formed in the womb of your mother. There for you were a person with a soul, made by God. Killing by abortion is MURDER! There are way too many alternatives to this. Psalm 139:13-15 "You did form my inward parts, you knit me together in my mother's womb...you knew me right well; my frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret..." Jeremiah1:4-5 "Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Proverbs 24:11-12 "Rescue those who are unjustly sentenced to death; don't stand back and let them die. Don't try to disclaim responsibility by saying you didn't know about it." Jeremiah1:4-5 "Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you." Proverbs 24:11-12 "Rescue those who are unjustly sentenced to death; don't stand back and let them die. Don't try to disclaim responsibility by saying you didn't know about it." Proverbs 6:16-17 "The Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood." Matthew 5:21 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill..." Psalm 127:3 "Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is His reward."
Its good to see you want to debate this. If I am correct in this observation, retain your question and use it on the debate thread I will make and have ready tomorrow. I'll post a link of the debate on this thread once I put it together.
That is correct. No because it is logical that life is not special in and of itself. I am pro-choice.
as I have posted countless times to the pro-baby murderers in this forum, they themselves are a living, breathing, hypocricy. Their mommies allowed them to live but they want to kill babies
Yeah it was. So what? Nothing wrong with abortion in my book. Do you think that if you repeat enough times that killing fetuses is wrong, you can overcome the fact that it is just your subjective opinion most probably based on crazy christian morality?
Why do you bring rape and pedophilia into this? Secular humanists do not believe rape or pedophilic acts are OK, but most believe abortion (except late term) is OK. Our laws are (thank god lol) not based on christian morals, since adultery, premarital sex, blasphemy and abortion are legal. By the way, the bible does not say abortion is wrong at all.
Its funny to notice how polarised this issue is. Conception! Birth! Conception! Birth! It will be us, the centrists, that are victiorious in the end. Most of the world allows early-term abortion and restricts late-term ones.
I also urge US pro-life movement to aim their fight against late-term abortions. Not only is it not unconstitutional, but great majority of population (circa 80 %) supports bans or restrictions on these. It is entirely realistic to succeed here, contrary to ban on abortion since conception, as that is impossible in current US political climate (and thankfully so).