πορνεύω to act the harlot, i.e. (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry Derivation: from G4204; KJV Usage: commit (fornication). G4204 Thayer: 1) to prostitute one's body to the lust of another 2) to give one's self to unlawful sexual intercourse 2a) to commit fornication 3) metaph. to be given to idolatry, to worship idols 3a) to permit one's self to be drawn away by another into idolatry Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words And this goes back to Hebrew prostitute. H2490 חלל châlal khaw-lal' A primitive root (compare H2470); properly to bore, that is, (by implication) to wound, to dissolve; figuratively to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (ones word), to begin (as if by an opening-wedge); denominatively (from H2485) to play (the flute): - begin (X men began), defile, X break, defile, X eat (as common things), X first, X gather the grape thereof, X take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
KJV usage .. you have got to be kidding .. that as zero to do with the definition of the words actually used
Do you understand the languages and the translation issues? Man I am just nosing at you or should I say nose at you not nosing. So how much time did you spend in religion class? I did make an error though because the King James usage is 4205 πόρνος akin to the base of G4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine) Derivation: from πέρνημι (to sell; KJV Usage: fornicator, whoremonger. G4097 Thayer: 1) a man who prostitutes his body to another's lust for hire 2) a male prostitute 3) a man who indulges in unlawful sexual intercourse, a fornicator
I do not know what these words have to do with the meaning of the words Porneiai G4202 and Aselgeia G766 as used in Mark 7 : 21-22 ? In any case - a prostitute is a different thing than "any sex outside marriage" as is "unlawful sexual intercourse" unlawful means against the laws of the Torah.
Because the evidence plainly notes that it is based on uncertainties with regard to the derivation of the word in question. In other words, it is based on ignorance of the subject matter.
Israelites are not 1st century Jews. Solomon was not a Jew--He was a King of Israel. Furthermore--how is people BREAKING a code not evidence of the code? Are you thinking, or just trying not to be wrong? Hmmmmm...seems strangely like sex outside of marriage meant.....MARRIAGE. I would agree--I was talking about 1st century Jews, not Israelites. Don't know why you are talking about Israelites, except that you see you are wrong and can't admit it.
Oh, and she hid her 'racist agenda' so cunningly that Martin Luther King praised her work in the highest terms when accepting "The Planned Parenthood Federation of America Margaret Sanger Award"? http://www.birthcontrolwatch.org/blog/2009/01/martin-luther-king-jr-and-margaret.html Don't you think it might be a bit racist to accuse him, all her black co-workers and all the black women, who - just as white women - welcomed Sangers help in family planning and women's health care, of being "naive"? It wasn't just her perspective though, was it? At that point in time eugenic ideas of all kinds where widespread. You'd be hardpressed to find anybody of that aera who didn't meddle with such ideas in some form. They even infiltrated - believe it or not - the Catholic Church: http://whatwemaybe.org/txt/txt0001/...he Weimar Republic and in the Third Reich.htm With loads of eugenicists around, both in the USA and Germany, the Nazis certainly didn't need Margaret Sanger - a women audacious enough to promote the merits of birth control for all women - to inspire them. Would that American Eugenic Movement include American Catholics such as Bishop John G. Murray of Hartford, who , when debating Sanger, "warned that ‘the races from northern Europe,’ which he deemed the ‘finest type of people,’ were ‘doomed to extinction, unless each family produces at least four children.’”? http://www.thenation.com/article/166121/awakenings-margaret-sanger http://books.google.de/books?id=dol... G. Murray races from northern Europe&f=false No doubt the American eugenics movement and especially US-American sterilization laws inspired the Nazis. But I see you already included the argument why Sanger in particular did not. Think! I suppose neither do you. But your very video indicates (and your first paragraph here seems to share this assumption) that Sanger did indeed try to convince these women of the merits of birth control. Not because she had an elitist or racist problem with rednecks or with black people, but primarily because she was concerned about women's health. She did not share Luthers' conviction that it doesn't matter when women in childbed, because that's their vocation. Yes, I read the whole article I quoted and just like the article I wouldn't doubt for a minute that some of Sanger's writings include parts that from our 21. century point of view are baldly disgusting. Sanger was not a 21. century woman though, she was a child of her time. And in that context I find it much more remarkable that she stood up for women's reproductive rights. See: the world is not just black and white and a person can have great ideas on one topic while being a fool on others. It's always fair to hear the other sides argument, wouldn't you agree? And I must say that I find PP's argumentation here much more coherent than yours. If that is so neither the USA, nor the Catholic Church, nor the Protestant Churches, nor the 'pro-life'-movement can be roses. They're all full of weeds that promoted slavery, sexism, racism, etc. etc. I must say that your posts brought an aspect of the American discussion to my notice that I find absolutely bizarre. So there are actually 'pro-life or 'anti-choice' proponents out there , who do not only try to smear dirt on Planned Parenthood by demonizing their founder, but who also spread the conspiracy theory that advocating birth-control and offering safe abortions are a part of a secret racist plan to eliminate the black race. Ironically this conspiracy theory is pushed by white Christian conservatives who don't exactly have the reputation to be tradionanally 'anti-racist'. And the weirdest thing of all: there are actually people who fall for that crap hook, line and sinker. That's worrisome! Please just think! Keep your opinion on birth-control/abortion if you like, but stay at least halfway rational when defending it. If you try to insinuate that birth control in the 21. century has any racist eugenic intentions, just keep in mind that this 'argument' works both ways: one of the first policies the Nazis introduced was to make abortion illegal and to make contraceptives hard to get. They promoted ideals about "woman- and motherhood" that - without meaning to insult you - were rather similar to the ones you expressed in previous posts. Personally I don't like that kind of 'argument' either way, because it's obstructing rather than claryfying the issues of birth control. Concerning the real issues I must say that I shudder to think what will happen to women in the USA when a politician comes into power who makes abortions illegal and birth-control hard to get while at the same time deeming comprehensive sexual education 'porn' and single mums 'welfare queens'.
Interesting, to see how sexual morals and accepted social conventions regulating sexual behaviour change throughout the bible, isn't it? Also interesting to note that we're told in the NT that "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes" (Romans 10:4) and that Jesus sums up the law in the golden rule to "in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you".(Matthew 7:12) Makes me ponder a lot of traditional supposedly 'Christian' sexual morals in a completely different light, especially when their strict implementation does indeed cause pain to others that I would not like to have done to me.
Once again, ANOTHER appeal to authority .... the KJV is wrong because it conflicts with gifted - no other reason necessary. The entire religion of Christianity is wrong because gifted says so. Do you know the definition of megolomania? So, Paul, Moses, the KJV Bible, Jesus, all wrong ... not you though. A reminder, who made the decision about the use of the 'original' Greek? Paul. the moral relativist ONLY has to convince himself.
Man that is bad there. Most atheists wont have him. I mean though they deny the supernatural they do not deny the basic philosophy of the Bible. Many hate it but they don't twist it to fit them. Wait he is a progressive christian (little "c"). For him it is a feel good thing and nobody is denied entrance into heaven.
Most Christian theologians will agree that the KJV is just one of many bible-translations/versions and that it's not a heresy to think that it's not always the best one. And if you think nobody but a select few will find entrance into heaven you seem to have very little trust in the abilities of our Lord who was sent "that the world through Him may be saved" (John 3:17b) and who does not want "anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance". (2 Peter 3:9b).
Martin Luther King is not God. While I admire some of the things he did there was a lot I did not agree with. If he accepted any award from PP then I question his moral foundation .especially because THEY LOVE and condone ABORTION. And supposedly MLK was Christian. He might not have been aware that she said the things she did about blacks and the silent war she was waging against inferior people .blacks included. Many in Kings family today denounce PP and acknowledge the agenda against them. How many black babies have been killed as compared to white babies since 1973? Largley the black population and minorities. Sanger said this ."The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2) Now if you stop one segment of the population from breeding then it eventually dies out. Come on ..she wanted blacks to use birth control to be sterilized because SHE THOUGHT THEM WEEDS .INFERIOR. This was the same take Hitler had on humanity. She said this, ""More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12 Who do you think are the unfit? Today who are the unfit? Since 1 out of 4 women abort .are all children from these women unfit? Which ones would Sanger single out? Sanger said this, ""We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon Now what did Sanger mean by this? And she attended KKK meetings. Now this all adds up. So you are admitting that she was a racist? And you are blaming it on society it was ok since society said it was? LOL Inspire .LOL .that comment makes me want to puke because it shows that even today we have racists and people who just don't see ..because they want abortion and killing that they look past the real truth. ARe you again saying because the Catholic Church did it which I don't think you have a case on but whatever .that it was ok? You are making excuses .for these racist views is what you are doing. ARe you a racist? No you think think about what YOU HAVE CONDONED HERE .I am not a racist .you should look in the mirror sorry. You are making excuses for people who think blacks are inferior. That is exactly what you are doing. You can't just debate the merits and the content of Sanger .you have to take the focus off her and bring up other things. Sanger was a racist and an adultress ..her merits? WAs it wonderful that she visit people who strung up blacks on trees ..? This is what she said about the marriage bed. "The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," Sanger said. (p. 23) She was not a child when she stated the racist things she said. This colored her world and her decisions. She had a terrible childhood and it affected her so much so that she lashed out .and the children in the womb was her main target ..the black children in the womb. But then you champion abortion .so of course you would raise Sanger up. I would like to hear you defend Hitler. Was he a child of another time ..do you also give him a free pass? Certainly like you say Hitler had good qualities about him ..what were they? How can you blame them aren't they products of their time? Jesus did not condone any of these. No one if they had love in their hearts would treat another person less than how they would want to be treated. You gave Sanger a free pass .why not religious institutions? Yes I am anti-choice and proud of it. And if anyone smears PP its PP. They are being investigated for all sorts of things. Covering up rapes sending underaged girls to facilities for abortions .etc. A few years back there was an investigation into selling fetal body parts. And we all saw what they did to Komen a few weeks back. They are a steamroller and if you get in their way .your done. They don't do mammograms but .you better give them what is do them. They are an evil organization full of evil people who don't promote children they rarely give adoption referrals .they pro-mote abortion .it pays the bills. What is worrisome are people who hold views like yours ..and its the very reason society is in the sad shape it is today. We live in a society that does not recognize or stand up for what is right .we are a sex crazed cell pool of people who don't value life or responsibilities. Your side is pro-death especially for those who can't defend themselves. No you think ..read your own statements and try to see some humanity in your statements. I know its hard I can't find any either. I will stand on the truth even when confronted by people like you who want anyone who does value life silenced. I will say one thing about birth control .and that is the fact that even in the Pharmacutical guides they use in pharmacies and doctors offices the information in the books and on the birth control itself have warning information. The instructions state that they are abortifacients. http://www.pregnantpause.org/abort/untold.htm Yes that would be horrible for you .God forbid we would want to stop killing innocent babies. And is yours the moral stance? NOT ON YOUR LIFE.
Well, there is a simpler way to see just how weak gifted's arguementation is. There is a usual flow of information that is used in logical reasoning. Thesis, supporting evidence, rebuttal of common criticism, conclusion (restated thesis). Do we have any idea what gifted's thesis is? We think we do, but whenever we pin him down on something, he claims that is not what he is saying. Supporting evidence? Has he presented even one piece of evidence that demonstrates that Christians think the way he does? Much less Jesus? rebuttal of common criticism. When your rebuttals require you to reject Paul, Jesus, the KJV of the Bible, and demonstrate a miraculous mastery of Greek - for which you actually claim no mastery? Well, that is called pulling an ostrich, not an actual rebuttal. What is the conclusion of gifted's arguementation? everyone who disagrees with him is a flawed human being who is just getting emotional in the face of his .... logic. Therefore you can screw a girl in a bath room and have no need to repent whatsoever Atheism is self worship, and many an atheist has cloaked themselves by calling themselves 'Christians'. Christians know the standards, at least the easy ones, and that is why they ALL disagree with gifted on this one. But then, the moral relativist ONLY has to fool himself.
Do understand what was said: You may be saved but it requires repentance not arrogance. And he does not want but the reason he does not want is because most will not know him. The Narrow Door Luke 13:22 Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. 23 Someone asked him, Lord, are only a few people going to be saved? He said to them, 24 Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, Sir, open the door for us. But he will answer, I dont know you or where you come from. 26 Then you will say, We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets. 27 But he will reply, I dont know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers! 28 There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30 Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last.
Can I just stop you in your highly irrational rant there and point out to you that I don't champion abortion (nor did Sanger) which is exactly why I see the need for contraceptives. Also I'm not a racist. T'm just intelligent enough to work out that high abortion rate among black people has more likelyto do with the high rate of poverty among black people, which indeed has a lot to do with the racist society America was and in parts still is. And that does not mean that I think that I'm highly intelligent. It's rather obvious. Want less abortions: fight poverty, give people a sound sexual education and freely available contraceptives.
Which is why we should all search our own hearts for arrogance. Have you done that lately? Yes, the Bible is full of such warnings. They're very educational. They do serve as a warning to the listeners/readers. Not as a reason for arrogant people to gloat at the thought that they will go through the pearly gates whilst others roast in hell.
Well, it's not that I agree with all of giftedone's views in every single detail, but I think you may want to read this article if you think all Christians disagree with him: http://cregs.sfsu.edu/article/sex_and_liberal_christian
All the time. I am a very prideful person and that is my biggest fault. It is also very dangerous. I am very selfless but it is conditional. I will not help those who do not help themselves or those I feel are irresponsible and I need to get over that as well. We all have issues and for me to overcome mine I must also accept that because I do not share in some of the problems others do I am no better in the eyes of the Lord and I need to get over it and help people that I feel are undeserving because it is me who becomes undeserving in the eyes of the Lord. Those who do not repent of their prideful life and do not pray foe help with it will have a hard time getting in. I never really pray it is more like begging and groveling. I have issues that I can not forgive myself for.
Here is a passage of scripture that might be helpful if you give it consideration and put it to the test of experience. "Hbr 4:14 ¶ Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession. Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin. Hbr 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." No begging and groveling is needed nor recommended.
Well part of it is my view on prayer. I know it is not biblical but I feel it is wrong to ask for yourself and there is also the fact that I do not feel I deserve forgiveness.
Sanger duped those who were stupid. And its still going on today. I guess blacks just screw more and are not careful right? Well I got news for ya buddy .I am intelligent and I know facts when I see them. And the fact is ..that you people who idolize Sanger no matter what she said and did. This is MORE THAN ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL. Its the reasons why she wanted birth control. And she was very crafty about it. Her views however on most of it are contained in articles and books that you can read. If you knew how to do a deductive study on her life and was objective and balanced you would see the truth. It is your obvious love of being pro-choice/abortion among other reasons I am sure you don't want to share or let out..that you defend Sanger Want less abortions ..ANYONE THAT THOUGHT LOGICAL WOULD SEE THAT MAKING IT ILLEGAL .WOULD IMMEDIATELY STOP THE KILLING. Because God knows we are a sexual nation that embraces every sex act imaginable. We start sex ed young with our kids they see it on television movies internet .they even make thongs for little girls .so don't tell me our kids don't know what sex is what it is all about.
