Rick Santorum openly admits to wanting Christian theocracy

Yet the left continues to adopt such tactics. Please explain this contradiction to the rest of us.

 

I would agree that relatively few denominations reject the Trinity. The Trinity does not do much to reconcile the problem with Jesus being Both God.. and Gods son.

Early Christians did not believe in the Trinity and in fact when it was proposed by Tertullian around 200AD the Church rejected it as heresy.

It was not until around the time of Constantine that the Trinity was adopted by mainstream and this was for the political purposes of Constantine.

 

The Holy Spirit was spoken of often in the Gospel,and the concept of the Holy Trinnity was inherent to the earliest Christians....

 

Seriously. Is this a joke?

The right wing lives and breaths fear and lies. Santorum is has said that in the Netherlands they are killing people in the hospitals against their will because they are old or sick, which is a lie and is trying to breed fear. Santorum says that Obama has cut veterens benefits, which is a lie and is trying to breed fear in our military. Santorum has now said he does not believe in the seperation of church and state. Which is not a lie, but should make everyone in the country afraid.

 

It's so funny how you guys tear down Thomas Jefferson. I admire him because he was a founding father and the author of some of our important founding documents. He was a deist, sure. But he also founded the Virginia Bible Society and he supported it. HIS Bible, that he put together, was a bible that had ONLY the words of Christ. Now either he believed in God and not christ or he believed in Christ but believed that God, the creator, created this world and then took no interest. Which is it.

And just know that while you're at this, you are tearing down the guy that one might say was the founder, primitive as it was, of the democrat party.

 

Deists did and still do believe in god. They believed and still believe in written religious text, but only those that do not claim to have the revealed, or true word of god. At the same time, they believed that god exists, and he created and governed the universe. In the Jefferson Bible, Jefferson recognizes both god's existence and Jesus' word, but not from a divine religious perspective, but a strictly moral perspective.

However, at the same time, Jefferson was in favor of a "wall of separation" on a federal level. His letter to the Danbury Baptist Association is proof of that.

From my perspective, as an American Jew, but more or less in Deistic nature, I believe god exists, and that god created the natural laws governing the universe. However, god simply oversees but does not manipulate such natural laws. In addition, I believe the natural laws that god created allow us to reason.

 

Hitler used fear of external threats to solidify his increase state state powers and restrict freedoms.

Der Fatherland .. we must protect the security of the Fatherland.

Stalin did the same.

Any external threat will do .. The Wolfowitz doctrine was first proposed under Bush Sr but never got implemented. It was recognized that the radical changes proposed would not be accepted by the "people" unless...

Enter 911 .. The fear created by this event was capitalized upon.

Instead of calling it "Fatherland Security" they called it "Homeland Secutiry"

 

Jesus of Nazareth wanted no part of government, saying "Render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar, And unto God that which belongs to God" This quote is in Matthew, Mark and Luke. Agreement like that is rare indeed after 2000 years.
Jesus was the first to say that sin should not be punished by death, as a secular option, as in his actions with the crowd gathered to stone an adulterer.
"Let ye among thee who hath not sinned, cast the first stone".

These ideas, and more from the New Testament, make the separation of sin from criminal prosecution, and government from church intrusion, quite plainly a christian concept.

 

Not in its current form.

Jesus was looked upon as divine, but subordinate to the Father.

Early Church Fathers that were subordinantists include, but are not limited to:

Pope Clement of Rome (45AD-101AD),
Ignatius of Antioch (50-115AD),
Polycarp (70-155AD),

Origin (184-253),
Pope Dionysius (265AD).

Origen insisted that "the Son is other in substance than the Father"

The term substance was important because to the Greeks there were only two types of substances .. that which God was made of and that which everything else was made of.

This was the big change that Constantine made at Nicene "One substance with the Father" Homoousios

Such a claim was heresy to early Christians and it was heresy to Eusebius who refused to sign off on the document because of Constantines inclusion of this term.

After some time in exile Eusebius came around and signed off.. the Emperor could be very persuasive and other dissenters such as Arian had been killed.

 

This entire thread is textbook anti religious hysteria.

You see, A Christian can believe lots of things are immoral and wrong. I believe homosexuality is immoral and wrong for example. I believe that strongly.

But.

I do not believe in using the power of the govt. to force people to comply with my moral beliefs.

On the other hans, leftists simply cannot understand having government power and not using that power to put their strongest beliefs into action with the force of law.

To a leftists, govt. power is something that is ALWAYS used.

 

Tearing him down ? To the contrary. Thomas was a man of knowledge and vision.

He understood if the state is allowed to force religion on people bad things start to happen.

The constitution is about "freedom from religious persecution".

The founders clearly understood this... why do you keep trying to claim otherwise by trying to justify imposition of Christian values ?

 

Bullcrap. The Gospel was not written by "origen", nor were the Greeks the Great Arbiters of Biblical Truth.

The Holy Spirit was spoken of EXACTLY as is today, and the Trinnity as well;


Jesus said it like this in Matthew 28:19:

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”


Period.

 

Actually, the Constitution addresses two matters concerning religion. It addresses the establishment of a state religion, meaning the government cannot impose Catholicism as a state religion, and the free exercise of religion, meaning government cannot pass a law impeding on the right to practice a religion.

 

Santorum does. That's why he supports the criminalization of contraceptives and abortion in all cases.

 

oh. so you think you can rewrite jefferson and beat conservatives over the head with him. Now i understand. Here are a few quotes from Jefferson regarding God, Christ, Christianity, Bible.

Thomas Jefferson


SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; DIPLOMAT; GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA; SECRETARY OF STATE; THIRD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.64

The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.65

I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.66

I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.67

 

I don't know. Do you have any self respect?
You've absolutely lied about what Santorum said (he said he didn't want absolute separation of church and state, which is much much different than wanting a Christian theocracy).

If you guys had any case at all you wouldn't need to blatantly lie about things.

 

You mean like banning drugs, banning same-sex marriage, banning contraception, banning abortion and things like that?

Are you trying to convince us that Santorum and all the other far-right religious nutjobs are leftists?

 

Well, I would appreciate it if you could provide a link to those quotes. Second, I think I simply reaffirmed what you have been trying to argue, and have elaborated upon it. Jefferson actually believed in god and Jesus. You argued that he either believed in one or the other, which is incorrect as actually proven by the above quotes. However, the Jefferson Bible, while utilizing Jesus' word, was meant to be a moral guide. After all, one of the elements of deism is the rejection of religious dogma and demagoguery. This is why the Jefferson Bible was officially called The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.

At the same time, while historically speaking, Jefferson has been categorized as a Deist, he never proclaimed himself to be one. He always considered himself a Unitarian. Benjamin Franklin was I believe one of the only founding fathers to truly call himself a Deist, and profess the religious ideology under the title of Deism.

 

The funny thing is santorum really hasn't said any of these things. The leftist media has. And as long as they can keep their leftist base worked up over this little distortion, they can continue to destroy the economy and allow gas to go so high you can't get to work or heat your home.

It's not conservatives that are the sheep. It's you lefties. The left controls the media and they control your brains.

 

I think you have truly been MisLed my friend.

Have you not been reading the thread?

 

So, Santorum doesn't support a federal marriage ban on same-sex marriages, didn't sponsor a federal ban on late term abortions, and didn't want to criminally charge doctors for performing abortions?

The MSM media is just making this all up?

 

I don't see what is wrong with banning late term abortions.

And as for same sex marriages, a federal ban is to prevent states that do not want to recognize gay marriages from being forced to because the marriages are performed in other states.

 

1. Opposing birth control
Quote: "One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.... Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay. It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." (Speaking with CaffeinatedThoughts.com, Oct. 18, 2011)

2. Keeping moms at home
Quote: "In far too many families with young children, both parents are working, when, if they really took an honest look at the budget, they might find they don't both need to. ... What happened in America so that mothers and fathers who leave their children in the care of someone else — or worse yet, home alone after school between three and six in the afternoon — find themselves more affirmed by society? Here, we can thank the influence of radical feminism." (Santorum's 2005 book, It Takes a Family: Conservatism and the Common Good)

3. Re-spinning the Crusades
Quote: "The idea that the Crusades and the fight of Christendom against Islam is somehow an aggression on our part is absolutely anti-historical. And that is what the perception is by the American Left who hates Christendom. ... What I'm talking about is onward American soldiers. What we're talking about are core American values." (South Carolina campaign stop, Feb. 22, 2011)

4. Rejecting the very idea of "Palestinians"
Quote: "All the people who live in the West Bank are Israelis, they're not Palestinians. There is no 'Palestinian.' This is Israeli land." (Campaign stop in Iowa, Nov. 18, 2011)

8. Equating gay marriage to loving your mother-in-law
Quote: "Is anyone saying same-sex couples can't love each other? I love my children. I love my friends, my brother. Heck, I even love my mother-in-law. Should we call these relationships marriage, too?" (Santorum's Philadelphia Inquirer column, May 22, 200

9. Comparing homosexuality to "man-on-dog" sex
Quote: "If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does. ... That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing." (AP interview, April 7, 2003)

All supplied the The Week, a magazine that goes out of its way to present a balanced view of the news.

 

That is not up the federal government. While I believe that most women should get an abortion before their 20th week, I don't have a problem with some exceptions and those exceptions should be left up to the woman and her doctor, not the federal government.

Santorum wants to invalidate same-sex marriages on a federal level. He doesn't believe in 50 different marriage laws, but a federal and universal one that would invalidate same-sex marriages which would make them second class citizens who don't receive the same rights and benefits as opposite sex marriages.