Rudd or Gillard, your prediction as of Thursday, 23 Feb. 2012

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Rudd or Gillard, whom will Labor's Caucus go for?

Poll closed Feb 27, 2012.
  1. Rudd

    9 vote(s)
    60.0%
  2. Gillard

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    40.0%
  1. efjay

    efjay Well-Known Member

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    So if one votes for the libs/nats then they dont care about politics?????????? What BS are you sprouting???????
    Simple FACT is that the public dont want the political left in power.. The scams and wasteful labor/greens parties have sealed their own fate. Bye bye left...you WONT be missed.
     
  2. aussiefree2ride

    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    It`s gobsmacking that left & greens voters can`t see that fiscal mismanagement is our bigest environmental threat. The ALP, and the Greens combined, couldn`t run a lemonade stand, but they kid themselves that they can run a Nation.
     
  3. DominorVobis

    DominorVobis Banned at Members Request

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    Good because Australia isn't a lemonade stand, but a country of lemonade stands, so what would the libs do, allow big business to use less lemon, more water, and jack up the price. But wouldn't that hurt them too, nope, they drink Chardonnay
     
  4. parker

    parker New Member

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    That must be why the IMF and The World Bank have praised the actions of the Labor government.
     
  5. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    I can also say that I will certainly be voting for the Greens at the next election, assuming Rudd loses tomorrow.
     
  6. axialturban

    axialturban Well-Known Member

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    LOL, and you think that has something to do with ALP policies!? They couldnt praise the previous government, that would be offensive to the current government and simply not done. If the Libs had been in power Australia would have been better off and gotten even more praise.
     
  7. AdrianW

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    Labor has got a lot of very good legislation through but there is too much background noise to get the message across.
    They just seem incapable of going off-message even if it's to defend so-called mistakes.
    Take the BER cost overrun of 5%. That is the normal contingency that you should allow for when you build something as small as a house and in almost every construction project, unless it is fixed price, that contingency is quickly eaten up. Just ask Multiplex about the Wembly Stadium cost overrun. Why doesn't someone tell it like it is. There were two concurrent projects, one involving government schools and one involving private schools. The federal government's involvement was the same in both but the difference was that one was run by the private school administrations, which did a good job, and the other was run by the various state bureaucracies where corruption and cronyism is rife.

    Then there's the home insulation scheme which was simply a rebate scheme. No-one in the government put a gun to your head to get insulation. It was a commercial decision between a homeowner and a private business. Why should other taxpayers, like me, who weren't greedy enough to want something for nothing, have to pay to fix your problem. Another way of puting it is to point out that the government offers tax incentives to small businesses to replace things like cars. If a tradie takes advantage of accelerated depreciation, buys a car and wraps it round a power pole because it was faulty, it's not the governments fault and my taxes shouldn't pay to fix it.

    As for the house fires, there were 53 house fires in the last six months of the Howard government, in Melbourne alone, that were directly attributed to insulation and halogen downlights. There would have been considerably fewer installations during that period which probably means that the ratio of fires per house installations was probably far higher under Howard. Why can't Labor say that?

    When Labor doled out the money for schools they shouldn't have given any to safe LNP seats and made it plain to the people in those electorates that their local member has rejected the money on their behalf and if they want their share they should contact their local member. They should do the same with the NBN allocation.
    It's about time Labor got some spine and went off-message. Gillard needs to stop answering every question with "yes but look at what we have accomplished blah, blah, blah. We're not fools. We know when a pollie is dodging a question. Maybe we need to get Gough or Paul or Bob out of mothballs - someone who can think on their feet who possesses a sharp wit like Bjelke Peterson or Thatcher who when confronted by a journalist who says "people stop me in the street....." would say "who are these people who stop you in the street. What street was it?"
    Those days are long gone. Now we have to put up with robots with law degrees. I voted Labor for 40 years and now all I can do is vote Green so that a left leaning senate can keep the conservatives in check.
     
  8. parker

    parker New Member

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    If your were an economist, I would listen to you but you are just some random internet person who has nothing better to do then post here. I will listen to the IMF and World Bank.

    I am not saying that the Liberals can't run a country. Costello was quite a capable treasurer and I could have gotten myself to vote for a Liberal Party led by Malcolm Turnbull but Tony Abbott is pathetic and I wouldn't trust him to look after my dog let alone a nation. He is a remarkable opposition leader but that doesn't translate into a government.
     
  9. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    So so, the just tell us what is Abbott standing for?
    What are his ideas?
    Where will we fit in in an international landscape?
    What will the Libs do to tackle climate change?
    I know they won't allow gay marriage, and they would be happy to please the US whatever there wish might be.....
    What is the Libs vision for the future of our nation?
    I think once Abbott is in power we will soon find us back in the year 1850 or so, as he has nothing to offer, nothing at all. Sorry to say...
     
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    *hack, hack* sorry bud that post is so full of fail i hardly know where to start...
     
  11. parker

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    because sweeping generalisation with no basis whatsoever make you seem smart.
     
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    Be careful when quoting the IMF or the World Bank. They are a bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*)wit bankers like the rest of them. They have contributed to the total exploitation of so many nations that to quote them is like quoting Satan.
     
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    I know that they are bankers but even bankers are praising Labor.

    I think that says something.
     
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    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    Said the spider to the fly.
     
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    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    Good post, that deserves rep.
     
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    Big business is a necessary evil, but small business is the heart of Australia. Big busniess only represents a very small fraction of the conservative vote compared to the numbers of small business voters.
     
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    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    Aww come on, the gay marriage bizo is the biggey there. :laughing:
     
  18. Adultmale

    Adultmale Active Member Past Donor

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    Wow! Please gives us a definition of 'a rich person' and some examples of this unethical behaviour you speak of that is confined to these 'rich people'.
    Perhaps you could briefly list some of the "many more reasons" that cause you to have a problem with 'rich people'.
     
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    Saifudeen New Member

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    Gillard it is.

    71-31 vote.
     
  20. Adultmale

    Adultmale Active Member Past Donor

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    If Gillard has got any balls she will now see Kevvy expelled from the Labor party or at the very least dissendorsed at the next election.
     
  21. Ziggy Stardust

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    She's not going to expel him from the party, this is a minority government!

    Leaders do not need to expel all challengers from the party, nor should they.

    Just because the caucus does not want Rudd as their leader doesn't mean he needs to be kicked out. So long as he behaves himself of course.
     
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    After what he has just done!! He deserves the boot. He had no chance of winning a leadership challenge, it is clear that he still holds a grudge and should be booted before he does some other thing to embaress the government. If Juliar doesn't now get rid of him completely he will continue to undermine her. Surely she can see that!
     
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    He has a chance of winning another challenge. If the polls continue as they are, they won't have any choice but to bring back the person whom the public wants, and will vote for.
     
  24. Adultmale

    Adultmale Active Member Past Donor

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    Did you see Kevvy on the news last night? "I will not make another challenge". AHHHHH AH AHA!
    "I bear no grudges or feel any malice". AHHHHH Ah AHA!
    "Julia Gillard is the best person to lead at the next election and I will be giving her my full support". AHHHHH AHA AHA AHA cough, splutter, AHAHAHA!!!

    But even better, Gillard gave a glowing speech about how great Kevvy was when he was prime minister!!!! AHHHHH AHA AHAHAAH!

    Gillard and Rudd are two peas in a pod, every time they open their mouths lies and deceit come spewing out in great hot steaming torrents.
     
  25. culldav

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    Wow! Kevin finally got Arbibs head. Well done Kevin, now you just need Shorten and your task is complete.

    By the way Juliar, you can spin your delusions any way you like, but the truth will always remain the same, and that is: the Australian people did not vote YOU in as PM, you paid off two Independents and the Greens Party for that privilege. Every time you say the Australian people voted you and the Labor party into office just confirms what a pathological LIAR you really are.
     

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