Obama Administration's War Against The Second Amendment...

I love my 30-30. I can shoot it easilly from the hip, and the rounds will go through two walls at least, and since I know the layout of my house, and my dog is a barker, I fell pretty safe.

 

Well without the lobbying power the NRA has. The recent Victorys with assault weapons and DC an Chicago handgun bans. Would not have happened. I don't agree with everything that say. Some pro-gun groups think that aren't staunch supporters of the 2nd. Yet they are by far the most powerful. Some of the pro 2nd crowd would go to arms. With little additional provocation. They are referred to as the "3percenters." You can goggle that term if you want to know more. I have young children so I hope to avoid such drastic measures. If something like that happens that would be when the crackdowns we spoke of earlier could potential happen. I hope it never comes to that myself.

 

They are a very lethal round. I would only shoot a person that left me no other altenative. I hope I'm never placed in that position. Shooting through walls could cause injury or death to an innocent person. So I would have to have to wait for a clear line of sight.

 

The tremise of this thread is simple nonsense.

Let’s get some things strait: First of all, President Obama does not make the laws - Congress and State legislatures do that.

Second, I’m not a proponent of the Second Amendment - it does not grant any rights. Let me make myself clear on this point. I am a very serious gun owner (I have a hundreds of thousands invested in guns and their use). I am in favor of less regulation; and for that reason I am not happy with the Supreme Court decision that can only lead to more gun laws, more regulation, and the lessening of our rights. If what we want is less regulation, then the last thing we want to do is to federalize the issue, as experience has shown that Congress is obsessed with regulating everything. Here, the gun lobby (and the NRA) have misrepresented us, for in attempting to make gun ownership an "individual" right under the Second Amendment they have made the rights of all gun owners less secure. The way to go is not the Second Amendment - that was intended to be a limitation on the power of Congress over state militias under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, and not a grant of right for individual ownership of firearms - the way to go is as individual rights retained by the people under the Ninth Amendment, and powers reserved to the several states or the people under the Tenth Amendment. At least at the state level we will have more say about our rights, which we won't have in the Congress.

It is time that we, as gun owners, stop beating our heads against the wall and start using our brains.

 

The premise of this thread is one that -with a little help from the gun shops-has resulted in an unimagined payday for for the industry. People buying guns and squirreling away ammunition for "the day the (*)(*)(*)(*) hits the fan"; people paying premium prices in what should be a buyers' market, and ever-increasing paranoia.

So far, it has been a successful campaign : well worth the modest investments for advertising the SVR kicked in.

Oops ! Guess you didn't know about that part.

 

Funny how our government seems to have forgotten about The People and our Constitution.

 

I hope you know that most ARs are semi-automatic.

 

My first instinct opon reading this post is that your a wolf in sheeps clothing. If I'm wrong I will apologize. I don't not accuse you of that but mention it out of honesty. You attack the only group that has the power to fight. Now I wil grant you the victory they obtained was hollow and limited. Yet it was better than the alternative of the dissenting opinion. I can even see why the NRA wouldn't want total victory. As there wouldn't be much use for them if it is achieved. Yet lack of a better option I don't know what alternative we have. I would see nothing that would prevent a dual assault so to speak. If you can find the means to get before the court. It takes power and money to even be worthy of a consideration. Not to mention the luck if they decide to hear your case. I haven't look at the 9th. I will out of curiosity. Given the disappoint you had in the cases in question. I wouldn't expect satisfaction from that angle either.

 

Yes just not in the good kind of funny. I hope I'm wrong an it is just my distrust of our leaders causing me to over analyze.

 

I am pretty sure wolverine does realize that fact. I have read some of his post while being of a different political opinion. He seems to be well informed and a supporter of the 2nd. I know you know as well but it it is a fact we can not overstate. All fully automatic weapons require special permits that are extremely hard to obtain. The weapons that the assault weapon ban of old; or any future ban. Are just semi-automatics with a capacity of more than 5 rounds. Most have a miltary look yet are not Military grade. As well as being small calbers as compared to average hunting rifles they look scary to some and have ominous sounding name. Yet far fewer crimes are committed with them. As compared to your average handgun or shotguns.

 

Agreed. The Clinton ban did nothing.

 

“Great cases like hard cases make bad law. For great cases are called great, not by reason of their importance in shaping the law of the future, but because of some accident of immediate overwhelming interest which appeals to the feelings and distorts the judgment.”
- Oliver Wendell Holmes, dissenting, Northern Securities Co. v. United States, 193 U.S. 197 (1904)

The decision in District of Columbia v. Heller raises more questions than it answers - it leaves us all in doubt. Without clear direction from the Supreme Court, we don’t know where we stand. The court has issued a decision that is unclear, even confusing; and, worse, as pointed out by the dissenting opinions of Justice Stevens and Justice Breyer, weakly premised. This decision will spawn more gun laws (and even more litigation), which can only lead to the lessening of our rights. I fear that we shall all soon find ourselves the more “well regulated.”

 

Ayuh,.... Yer Right,.... That whole paragraph pretty much spells out the entire history of our Constitution...

The Heller decision cleared but 1 tiny hurtle creatin' a clear definition of the 2nd amendment...

As it's been for over 200 years,...
As soon as 1 attack door is slammed shut,...
The Liberal Progressives try sneekin' in from another angle, by tryin' to define another word, differently than it has been defined before...

Ya know, like is the word Is, Is,..??

That's why I've supported the NRA for many, Many years now.....

 

All AR-15's are semi-automatic.

M16's/M4's are automatic.

 

Not to mention that the automatic weapons are very expensive, the cheapest I have seen are MAC-10's for about $4,000, M-16's go for around $20,000.

The gun control advocates love to say that "assault weapons" are military grade hardware, yet, militaries typically do not deploy a semi-automatic only weapon when they can deploy a select fire weapon. They may look like military weapons, however they simply are not.

Not that military use has much of bearing anyway on the issue.

 

That's better. Just wanted to make a point so anti-gun folks realize that many ARs are semi-auto.

 

I wouldn't count on it. Certainly, our rights have not been advanced by making provision of the Second Amendment of what is not there. As Justice Stevens noted in his dissent: "the Court appears to have fashioned it out of whole cloth." I don't think the decision - for what ever it's worth - will last.

 

...especially if Obama gets a second term.

 

..... well, I am anything but anti-gun.

 

I know. Just making a point to others.

 

Ayuh,.... I had a Mac 9 some years ago,...
It sure would put the smell of burnt gunpowder in the air, in a Hurry...
It'd burn through an afternoons reloaded 9mm.s in only a few minutes....
couldn't afford to feed it...

I'd traded a Ruger 9mm. I bought new for 'bout $300.....
I thought I got screwed on the deal...
Til I traded it off to another guy for the Desert Eagle, 44.Mag I've still got...

Sorry to get off topic,...
Down with Obo, 'n the Progressives,... may common sense, 'n logic prevail....

 

I thought about a semi-automatic MAC-10... but meh. I haven't a use for it.

I wouldn't mind a Desert Eagle though.... I have shot one before and loved it.

 

A Desert Eagle point 5-0?

 

Since we are on the topic of guns, this is what I have my eyes set on for my next purchase. These are AR-15 pistols by Rock River Arms chambered in .223/5.56 NATO. They have two additional versions also.

 

And M16A1 & M16A2 can be built as Legal Semi-Auto also (I have California legal versions )