Germany is cutting solar-power subsidies because they are expensive and inefficient

That argument has already bene killed.

germany is lowering subsidies because the price of solar panels has dropped considerable.

Its now economicly viable to have such systems without any subsidies thus making them obsolete.

 

Go back and re-read the OP.

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...hey-expensive-inefficient.html#post1060891766

 

ALready responded to that and shown it to be utterly wrong.

They cant even get simple facts straight like how much solar power is generated. (they only missed it by a factor of 10)

In case you dont realise it, its an opinion piece that doesnt cite any sources.

This is reality :



Add inflation and you have a price drop of about 65% .

 

I'm sure you may believe that, I do NOT!

 

Of course not, it doesnt fit that fantasy world you have in your head .


fact remains prices have dropped by 60+% eleminating the need for subsidies .

 

That's BS!

It's dung your shoveling.

 

Pretending something doesn't exist won't make it go away. PV power has reached grid parity in many parts of the world


Solar energy cost hits par with coal fuel
THE cost of solar power in parts of NSW has for the first time crept below that of coal-fired electricity - seen as a key tipping point for the expansion of renewable energy.
New data shows solar power is edging towards ''grid parity'', after which it becomes cheaper than fossil fuel-generated energy such as coal and gas, even taking into account the upfront cost of buying rooftop solar panels.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/e...h-coal-fuel-20110817-1iybc.html#ixzz1oBVUZ2wA

You need to make some adjustments to that fantasy world you have in your head. It is very different to reality.

 

Read your quote.

The problem is with the archaic distribution network. Not PV power.

Your argument is akin to someone in 1980 saying "Computers are just an expensive waste of money and linking them in some sort of "internet" is simply physically impossible. Our current copper telephone exchanges won't allow it"

 

If PV power is truly on a par with coal, it will flourish without a single euro of subsidy.

What do you do at night?

 

If coal power is truly on a par with PV, it will flourish without a single euro of subsidy.


EU coal nations win fight for subsidies to 2018
Germany and other European coal-mining nations secured an extension of coal subsidies until 2018 after a months-long battle against environmentalists.

The European Commission, the EU's executive, had proposed in July that the coal mining industry should only get four more years of state aid before subsidies are phased out in 2014, the sixth such extension of state aid since 1965.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/10/us-eu-coal-idUSTRE6B93D420101210

 

Wich is another issue.

Again the subsidies were to encourgae solar panels as they were uneconomical because of the high price, now they are a valid economical alternative for consumers because of the dropped prices and the subsidies arent needed anymore .

The same thing heppens over and over with other subsidies the difference here, some people dont like solar panels tech (for whatever half assed reasons) so they try to make this into a failure .

 

No thats fact.

5€/wh made it too expensive the 2-€/wh make its viable .

 

Please post a link, so it's not still BS!

 

You already responded to it



How many people use your account?

Because this is probably too hard for you to understand:

A system of 5000 W (average consumption) would set you back in 2006 25 000€+VAT . It gets you around 4500-5500kwh/year . Against 0.20€ per kwh(price around 2006) thats 1000€ a year.

Add in intrests you paid on loan or lost on the money on the bank and it takes more then 20+years to pay the installation off .

Wich means its unviable as it is designed to last about 15-20 year.

Enter subsidies.

Now such a system costs around 10 000€ (adding in inflation) + VAT

You still get 4500-5500 kwh / year netting you (price is up to 0.26€/kwh) 1300€/year

The installation is payed back in about 10years. WITHOUT any subsidies.

Meaning its economicly viable as its designed to last 15-20years .

http://www.sustainableenergyworld.eu/calculate-annual-solar-panel-energy-output

http://www.energy.eu/#domestic

 

No don't enter subsides, subsides don't lower the cost, they merely make someone else pay part of the cost.

Then factor in how much of your 5000kwh/year are going to have to be purchased off the grid when you solar system is not producing.

Then consider the yearly efficiency losses of the solar panels during their lifetime.

Then add in the additional insurance cost you will pay each year.

Then add in maintenance cost.

There's lots of cost that need to be factored in.

 

So without subsidies, how long will the German PV systems stay in service on their own merits?

 

obama is a follower, so he has to follow the lead of others.

 

Sit in the dark I guess.

 

In Germany, at night, after drinking beer and eating sausages and sauerkraut all day, with an occasional radish. The husband stands in front of their "wind" generator, and the wife can read all night if she'd like,,,,,,,,,,,,or prefer.

 

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Its a lot more complicated then that.

Subsidies do push the technology to being viable, increases research and investment in it, creates jobs,...


I know you think any and all money from gouvernement is 100% waste, but thats not always the case .

But when demand is low, you probably dont realise this but at night demand is a lot lower



And you can easily fill that in with quick response power plants .

Nobody says ALL power has to come from solar.

Better panels offer a max of 0.7% a year efficiency losses .

Not in germany

Almost none, panels designed and warranted to last 15-25years, same goes for converters.

Not really. The initial investment is the brunt of the cost, all that remains is compared to the profits negligable.

For that its quite a safe investment .

 

The subsidies were mainly for the initial setup costs and guaranteeing minimum prices for the electricity delivered back to the net. Nobody is going to get rid of his panels .

All those panels remain, now wil lower setup costs the market will no doubt maintain itself , perhaps not as large as before but it certainly wont disapear.

 

The lost secrets of Atlantis only make sense if Der Furher continues to throw taxpayer money at them.

That and strangle domestic oil production so that consumers have no other choice but alternative energy.

 

Why would I read anything from a warmie religious blog?

 

The Washington Times? They are have a seat on the White House Press Corp. Please post where visionofearth.org does and we'll talk.