America officially has the highest taxes in the World...

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  1. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then practice what you preach.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    I'm consistent in adopting a logical approach. Some might think that I'm being too optimistic here, with you deliberately digging in your heels as you try and avoid the dissonance associated with the utter nonsense in the OP. However, encouraging you to accept economic reality continues to be a merit good
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's only nonsense to you. You refuse to accept the facts.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    The fact is that the OP makes a nonsensical comparison and makes false claim. I won't accept, however, that you can't see that
     
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    If you want to include inflation as a tax (to me it is the same thing) then U.S. taxes are higher than what the rates would indicate. If the government prints money so that it can spend more withoug increasing tax rates, the result is the same. The fans of progressive taxation should be up in arms about printing money out of thin air. It is very regressive. Yet they overlook it in their zeal to allow more money for government to spend.
     
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    You show you know nothing. Obama has attacked business his whole term. You can spin but the truth is the US under Obama has the highest corporate tax rate for industrialized nations.
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    No you have an agenda and as an arrogant elitist liberal you will ignore anything that disagrees with your false agenda
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    The OP is based on facts you do not like
     
  9. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    You presented evidence that demonstrated the OP was kack. I've already thanked you for that haven't I?
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    In your opinion. The truth is the US now has the highest tax rate. You have been shown this but like a good Obama liberal you use Obama fuzzy math
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    My opinion? Hasn't come into it. I've but referred to the stupidity of the OP's argument. You've shown that yourself with the evidence you superly gave. Well done!
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    No it is your opinion that has been shown false her many times
     
  13. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Repeating nonsense may be your bag, but I can only refer to basic sense here. Its very simple: international comparison requires effective rates and those rates, even by you, have destroyed the OP for the bobbins that it represents. Fight through your party politics; join the sense stakes!
     
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    No you compare the starting points of the rate. The US has the highest
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    If you want to make a worthless comparison that makes zero sense except for party political splurge? Yes. If you want to actually compare tax rates? Nope
     
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    In your opinion. Keep it up you just keep looking more and more foolish
     
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    Ask yourself, what's more important for the purposes of tax comparison as it relates to determining congressional action and or global competitiveness,
    the legislative maximum of taxes that could potentially be paid, or the actual taxes that people pay?

    If you were a company deciding on whether or not you wanted to move your business into or out of America, which if any taxes would you consider?
    The taxes that some nonexistent hypothetical company might have to pay under U.S. law, or the taxes that your company would have to pay under the same law,
    based on what similar companies pay, or based upon all known information regarding the tax code, including any and all known deductions and loopholes?
    Which would it be, and why?

    -Meta
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Opinion would refer to aspects such as optimal taxation (even then one would refer to objective evidence). Here we have one certainty: international comparison requires effective rates and, as you were kindly enough to show, those rates destroyed the OP as utter bobbins
     
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    It's fun to watch arrogant rightist 'arguments' ripped to pieces and laugh at the stubborn who will ignore anything that disagrees with their false agenda, even if they themselves unwittingly posted the evidence which refutes them.

    lololol
     
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    So tell me when Obama talks about tax rates is he talking what they pay or what the beginning rate is?
     
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    More talking points. When Obama talks about 35% rate is that what is actually paid or is it the starting point. you have nothing it is all BS
     
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    Nothing has been ripped to pieces instead the left is seen as foolish
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tell us what you have been led to believe by your sources of information. Do you believe that 35% what is actually paid?
     
  24. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Obviously he is talking about what is actually being paid.
    When Obama and others talk about secretaries paying higher percentages of their income in taxes than their bosses,
    and multimillion dollar corporations paying zero in taxes, they are clearly referring to actual taxes paid and not the maximum rates,
    otherwise they wouldn't be talking about secretaries paying higher percentages and multimillion dollar corporations paying zero taxes,
    because if we all paid the highest rates possible based only on income alone (which no one actually pays btw), then such things would not be allowed.

    OK, so there, that should answer your question, so how about answering mine?
    Which of those taxes wold you use? Which of those taxes is more useful for the purposes that I mentioned? (those being the same purposes listed out in the OP)

    -Meta
     
  25. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    No, mere continuation of the fact that you (rather entertaining mind you) destroyed the opening post
     

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