Zimmermans Bond Revoked

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  1. thevsj

    thevsj New Member

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    I respectfully disagree..
     
  2. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On the contrary! If he had been perfectly perpendicular to the ground, it would make sense that the bullet's trajectory would have been DIRECT, with no angular trajectory!(if GZ was able, in spite of his being "close to lose consciousness" and the fact that the two were struggling, not staying still, to get his gun out of his waist band and RAISE it to the level of Trayvon's 5th intercoastal space).

    But. . .precisely because it is very unlikely (unless Trayvon was flat on the ground. . .BELOW Zimmerman) that Travyon martin was perfectly perpendicular to the ground. . .so it is pretty amazing that there is NO angle to the trajectory of the bullet, but it goes DIRECTLY From the front to the back!

    Try again!
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no evidence that he instigate the violence. The prosecution admitted it had no evidence of that in the bond hearing which can be used during trial.
     
  4. Jebediah

    Jebediah Banned

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    This has nothing to do with legal carry. If Zimmerman had a gun and got into his car and went and got gas Martin would be alive today. That's not what happened.

    Everybody from the police to Neighborhood watch said that Zimmerman did not follow protocol. This is a FACT.

    Zimmerman made THREE mistakes that everyone (the police, neighborhood watch, a lot of the general public) agree on. This all happened BEFORE he actually had contact with Martin.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah Right Go For It.
    Zimmerman was a brute.Just felt like stalking on a rainy Sunday Night.
    Trayvon was just practicing for a high school try out of peter Pan.
    The Twain met and a bag of Skittles was the Prize { instead some Cracker jacks }.
    Trayvon wasn't any more interested in pulling some crap than what caused him
    to be on Suspension from school,for a 3rd time.
    Zimmerman wasn't anymore a Cop Wanabee than when he dialed 911 and
    made another call.
    The Twain met.
    We don't know exactly what happens when Twain meet.
    But we sure as shootin' know exactly what happens when the Lamestream meet and
    coordinate a concerted narrative in order to Make that Twain a Mark'd man.
     
  6. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And if Marin had gone inside when he was "by his house" it wouldn't have happened either. All of that is irrelevant. Zimmerman did nothing illegal up to the point of contact and there is no evidence he did anything illegal then.
     
  7. Jebediah

    Jebediah Banned

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    Well I don't expect people to agree with me. I don't even expect people to be reasonable 80% of the time. What I do expect if I take a break from fighting and trolling and look someone in the eye and ask them a question they should give me an honest answer. I have my bias but in the end I have to admit I don't know and that it is improper for a jury to go into a trial thinking Zimmerman is a bad person. Martin is dead. There is no point in falsely convicting an innocent man. That won't bring Martin back. If push comes to shove there are several things I have to say I am pretty shaky about. We are just talking on the internet. But if you ask me to go on record I can't say guilty at this time. No way.
     
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    There is no proof Martin was "by his house." I was only speaking to the FACTS that we all agree on.
     
  9. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OBVIOUSLY! The question is: how could Zimmerman (while "ready to lose consciousness") pull his gun out from his waist band. . .while Trayvon was straddling him. . .probably right on top of his waist band if he was "bashing his head in") and RAISE the gun so that it be PERFECTLY perpendicular to the kid's chest at the level of his heart?

    The trajectory of the bullet just doesn't demonstrate that the shot happened while Zimmerman was flat on the ground, with Trayvon straddling him, ready to strike him or to "bash his head in concrete," therefore in constant movement.

    By the way, the official autopsy report gives a LOT of information that contradict a lot of the "assumptions" (including height and weight) made over the last few weeks.

    Here is a link:

    http://www.autopsyfiles.org/
     
  10. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean except for what is in evidence.
     
  11. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course it does. Why do you think Martin was perfectly horizontal?
     
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    Per trigger boy's account, the bullet should have displayed an upward trajectory.

    Physical evidence is against trigger boy.
     
  13. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have you ever bothered to take the liberty to ask Why Trayvon is dead.
    Surely Trayvon is not dead because of what was insisted.That he was merely walking
    home.That is a Monumental Lie.
    Trayvon is dead for specific reasons.He wasn't just walking home.
    He was hanging around and acting suspicious.Not a crime.Actually quite
    typical.But not when someone sneaks up and says stuff like { " You got a problem with me ? " }.
    That was obviously a statement Zimmerman gave to the cops just hours after at his
    questioning.Which Guys like Al Sharpton stated never happened.That Zimmerman was never
    arrested,let alone questioned.Why would any rational American believe the likes of a Bigot
    White hater like Sharpton.Let alone invest an entire movement.
    Yet that is what took place.The public was led to believe that Zimmerman just went along his
    merry way that night after the shooting and was never even questioned,let alone arrested.
    I have a real problem with those of the Al Sharpton persuation.We've been thru his
    hate Whitey Theatrics before,many times.The Duke Rape scandal being the last.
     
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    He got out of the car to pursue Martin.
     
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    I don't think he was perfectly horizontal. . .unless HE was on the ground, being straddled by GZ!

    If GZ was on the ground, being straddled (and beaten to the point of being "close to losing consciousness") by Trayvon Martin, Trayvon's would have been basically sitting on Zimmerman's waist (on top of the gun in it's holster?), and his chest would have been inclined forward toward Zimmerman. . .

    So, if Zimmerman had REALLY manage (in spite of being "close to losing consciousness!") to pull his gun out of it's holster, in spite of Trayvon's weight sitting on him at about waist level, and if he had then fired the gun in the direction of Trayvon's body, the trajectory of the bullet would have NOT been direct from front to back of Trayvon's chest, but would have followed an ANGLED trajectory, entering lower in the chest, but ending higher in the chest than the point of entry.

    What about trying to visualize the two men's position. . .and the gun's position IF Trayvon was really on top of Zimmerman, and IF Zimmerman was really flat on his back on the grass?
     
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    Sorry, keeping an eye on someone he called the police about is not illegal or wrong.
     
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    Arguing from facts not in evidence. The person to whom Martin was talking states that she heard "Why are you following me?" and some jerk demanmding to know "What are you doing here?" without identifying himself as anybody who had any right to know anything about Martin.

    FAIL.
     
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    Might, maybe, could have been, blah blah blah. Try to visualize you have no idea how it happened but it did.
     
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    Interdicting him on his way home in a threatening manner is.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    here I'll explain.Zimmerman went to check the location of where Trayvon ran off.
    What was Zimmerman gonna do when the Cops arrived and asked ... Ok where is this
    guy.Just point and say maybe over there ... I'm not sure.
    Use yer head ... man.
    Zimmerman broke No law.He was talking to a 911 emergency operator not some
    Police dispatcher.Get yer yer head straight.
     
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    Could you please check your "facts?"
    Zimmerman WAS arrested. . . in 2005! Where do you think that original mugshot came from?
    Why do you think he had (at least) three encounters with the police. . .one for a felony violence toward an officer while resisting arrest.
    Yes, that felony was reduced to misdemeanor. . . but your statement is as wrong as you have been since the beginning with your assumptions.
     
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    Absolutely no evidence of that so you are reaching for guilt when there is no evidence of such.
     
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    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is a very intelligent comment!

    I guess it means that, you prefer to hang on to YOUR assumptions, rather than consider the logic of the situation you prefer to believe in!

    Thank you for this very clear admission that you have no answer to my observation that the bullet's trajectory does NOT match the "party line" explanation of what really happened!
     
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    Arguing facts not in evidence.

    The dumb thug said that the people he was interested in catching always headed for the back gate.

    Why was that retard not on the back gate where he belonged?
     
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    Sadanie,

    I believe that Zimmerman's prior felony charge was completely dropped.

    Interesting............
     
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