more proof that Palestinians don't really want peace with Israel.

They still want to delete Israel as if it never existed.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162753#.ULu58dfNl8F
If they truly wanted peace they wouldn't be trying to steal Jewish land from the Israelites and claiming it as their capital.

 

Good point.


Muslims never want peace. They want conquest.

 

meanwhile over in Palestine B - Long exiled Hamas leader returns after umpteeth years to say "we are committed to the liberation of palestine:.

Hello mcfly!

[video=youtube;95_DB6GgLQs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95_DB6GgLQs[/video]

 

Tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Simplistic... wake up and smell the coffee...

 

1) Since when Is East Jerusalem sovereign Jewish land in terms of today's international laws, charters, international legal judgements, and protocols?

2) In that case, can the two of you answer this post from another thread in the ME forum? Because if you can't, your pious pontifications above are utterly meaningless:

3) Can you two help to explain why we should accept that in 2002 and 2007 the Arabs did not make two VERY significant offers to Israel to embark on peace initiatives, both of which were rejected by Israel? You can find an entry into that discussion here: http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-east/279198-israel-way-nonexistence.html#post1062040132

 

The non-negotiable offer of indefensible borders, 5 million arab refugees flooding Israel's proper and no action against anti-Israel terrorists was an offer for Israel to commit military and demographic suicide. Israel of course said "thanks but no thanks"....or perhaps it just said "no thanks", I am not sure

 

Don't know about those. I do know that Arafat turned down a peace offer which gave him 98% of what he wanted back in 2001.

 

Israel existed back in Biblical times. What you have now is a childmurdering, racist nazi colony of the US. Why only God and AIPAC know. Time to give it up - the world is more and more disgusted with i, and yout.

 

So when a thief offers to return 98% of the goods to you, keeping a critically valuable 2% for himself, you suggest that you would jump for joy as the victim?

Good grief!!

 

When did the Arab thieves promised to return anything they stole in the Arab conquest from the Atlantic to the Pacific in the seventh century?

Seems after all that you cannot differentiate between <tuches from caduches>

 

Your ignoring the fact that Israel gained that land defending itself in war. Technically Israel should wipe them out and keep all of the land for themselves.

 

MYTH ALERT!!! MYTH ALERT!!! MYTH ALERT!!!

I have not ignored anything. In fact, Slyhunter, it is YOU who is ignoring the facts. The June 1967 war, started by Israel who attacked first, is shown (in the thread referenced inn blue below) to have been anything but defensive, as was admitted (with documented evidence and references) by both the Sabra generals and the Israeli Knesset:

http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...ttack-israel-retaliates-3.html#post1062045176

In fact, Israel started the aggressive attacks long before June 1966, as is witnessed by an observer from the time in the following link, and confirmed by General Moshe Dayan

http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...ttack-israel-retaliates-3.html#post1062053313

Should you honestly not be aware of those impeccably verifiable facts and links, then I am sure you will be honest enough to retract your claim. Otherwise you are saying that the Israeli leaders at the time are all liars ... all of them. Good luck with that!!

 

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http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...ttack-israel-retaliates-3.html#post1062045176

HB...This is absolute nonsense... if you think for a moment that I am going to waste my time providing you with information... you are mistaken!
Even if what you state has a smidgen of validity... its past history and we are here now... we did not fight the so called 'PHALLUSTINIANS' we fought recognized Arab states and won... move on friend you statement are rundendants and childish.

http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...ttack-israel-retaliates-3.html#post1062053313

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT!

This is past history... enough of your childish wet dreams already...
How about Syria friend they lost 40,000 people and you are still attacking Israel and Jews?????????

 

Well guys, at least HBendor admitted (with or without Glock) that he has no intention of responding to verifiable referenced facts. Sounds like a cop-out to me? Agreed? Not only that, but the "student" appears to be utterly ignorant of what happened between 27nd November 1947 and 14th May 1948 when .... tell me, HBenndor, who were the Zionists fighting then? What a schoolboy howler regarding Israeli history!! An utter howler.

An impartial third party observer gives personal evidence that "Israel does not attack; Israel retaliates" is a blatant lie, and the self-professed student of the Middle East responds with ..... I don't really know how to describe that weird response.

The fact that a Zionist apologist's version of reality is impeccably refuted, on the same point that HBendor has tried to defend on various occasions, now suddenly becomes "past history" and is irrelevant??? HB, can I quote you on the fact that what your 1967 heroes said is irrelevant? And, by the way, we know that when you post your typical "toenail clipping" response, it means that you are totally out of ammunition (Glock of not).

 

soooooooooooooooooooooooooo what?

Do you have anything to say about the poodles of the Canaris Islands?

 

Your the one stating the myth. Israel attacked first in defense of her enemies forming up and preparing to attack. You don't let your enemies start the battles, rule 101 but you do finish them off.

 

Israel retaliates against attacks it instigates and attacks that it orchestrates. Palestine is the defender. Palestine is besieged. I can't understand how people cannot see that. Americans, a least. Apparently, 99% of the world has long seen that. Palestine is under military occupation and a cultural, physical invasion, and they are trying to fight for themselves where no one else would physically intervene on their behalf, and they are being labeled as fanatics for it.

The "war" against Israel was started for a number of reasons, not the foremost being the forced uprooting of Palestinians on and off Israeli land. That war was instigated in order to facilitate a "reaction" Israel was confident it could win. Just because they won doesn't make them right.

In these days, I think you are right to say that Palestinians don't want peace with Israel. I'd also say that was natural, considering the history Israel has inflicted on them. If I were a Palestinian, personally, I wouldn't stop until Israel paid for what it has done. I push it right into the Med, and that's my American sentiment on the issue as an American.

I mean, Jewish people get pushed around from one part of the world to the next because everyone is evil and hates them. Then they get stuffed in the Middle East in someone else's land because someone else decided to start killing them all, and then they turn around and start killing the natives in an Israeli Manifest Destiny financed, supported, and defended by America's continuing Manifest Destiny. And in direct disregard to all that history is this worldview that is apparently not a worldview, supported by no one else other than !% of the world- mainly Israel, American media, and American government- that Israel is the abused one and Palestine is just a loathsome, fanatical aggressor. I'm not saying Jewish people are evil, but their government is disgusting. Just one more in a list of tyrants the US finances and supports to its own ends.

 

What an absolute load of Baloney. Why do I say that? Because you just repeat mantras and remain utterly inconnspicuous when it comes to refuting my evidence with REAL facts. I am supremely disinterested in unsupported personal opinions. They are an utter waste of 'ink'.

1) "Israel attacked first in defense of her enemies forming up and preparing to attack" - I have shown with full references that in 1964 to 1967 Israeli was guilty of 80% of the provocations along the border with Syria - here is the iron-clad proof - http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...ttack-israel-retaliates-3.html#post1062049207 with reconfirmation here - http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...ttack-israel-retaliates-3.html#post1062053313 So it is clear that Israel attacked first notwithstanding any hot air you may issue to the contrary. But refute it if you can. If you can't, don't waste our oxygen.

So your claim that "Israel attacked first in defence" can so easily be seen to be a load of crap - PROVEN so.

2) Israel attacked Jordan in November 1966. Her excuse was terrorist incursions from Samur, which were categorically denied by the UN border observers who checked the tracks afterwards. Hear the words of the observer himself at 1m:51s in the first video at this post: http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...ttack-israel-retaliates-3.html#post1062053313 What counter have you provided, Slyhunnter? Zilch, is the answer.

So once again your claim that that "Israel attacked first in defence" can so easily be seen to be a load of crap - PROVEN so.

3) Here I show with full references that in 1967 the Israeli leaders did not believe that Egypt was about to attack Israel: http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...ttack-israel-retaliates-3.html#post1062045176
Did you refute any of the cited references or documents that I offered in evidence? Of course not!! Yet now you pop up like a bad penny and with zero evidence in rebuttal, you claim the contrary. Be a mensch, Slyhunter, and show some integrity. If you really believe what you write then disprove my references or my analysis of them. You have the thread reference. Prove Rabin, Begin, Dayan, Allon and Segev all to be liars.

So once again your claim that that "Israel attacked first in defence" can so easily be seen to be a load of crap - PROVEN so by the Israeli leaders of the time.

4) Since 1946 all members of the UN are bound by its charter. Israel is a full UN member, hence bound. Here is the reference: http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/ Here are the pertinent excerpts:

 

upside down cake... wow what a moniker... Hey upside down cake, a) Israel does not need financing, Israel does not touch this largesse, it goes directly to the big plane manufacturers that keep America working...

There is no PALESTINE! Period! even if the duplicitous world voted to accept this fiction, this baseless anomaly has won a pyrrhic victory but lost their status quo ante... means in others words 'Oslo I and Oslo II' are dead, and in more words what they did is to opt for a DECLARATION OF WAR against Israell.

 

I don't agree with you, Sky, but let's say that you were right, it still doesn't justify their actions today. You seem to be going through great effort to completely dissolve Israel of any blame or conviction. An adamant wall of refusal to believe anything but justifiable cause on their part, and it really makes me wonder when I run into such people, what is your personal investment in defending them so utterly? I mean, I recognize the fair share of violence that comes out of Palestine, both reactions and initiatives, but you...you don't give an inch. Nothing. It's...quite incredible.

 

What actions today? We weren't talking about what they did today. What did they do. Nothing on the news today except that shooting in Ohio.

 

Everything that happens in the world is not relayed through the news.

 

That means you obviously haven't read them read my evidence to the contrary. Why do you have such huge difficulty understanding ANY of the following. Why have you also not been able to refute any of it, yet you keep o trumpeting the mega-MYTH?:

1) Syria did not line up a huge army of tanks to attack Israel ==> Your story has a huge hole in it.
2) Dayan clearly admitted that Israel was the provoker there and you have seen Jan Múhren's first-hand confirmation of that ==> So your story has even more holes
3) Jordan never attacked Israel in November 1966 nor had troops massed at the border as you claim ==> Your story is leaking very badly now
4) Nonetheless Israel invaded Jordan with a vast number of troops ==> Your Myth ship is leaning over at an alarming angle

5) What did you NOT understand of the quote of IDF Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin (future Prime Minister) to Le Monde in February 1968 "I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it." Exactly which bit of the top IDF military officer's conclusion tells you that Israel's enemies were preparing to launch an actual attack as you claimed above, when Rabin categorically stated that they weren't? Your mythical ships boilers have exploded and it disappeared without a trace. Other than to those who will not read.

6) In the spring of 1972, General Peled, Chief of Logistical Command during the war and one of 12 members of Israel&#8217;s General Staff, addressed a political literary club in Tel Aviv. He said: &#8220;The thesis according to which the danger of genocide hung over us in June 1967, and according to which Israel was fighting for her very physical survival, was nothing but a bluff which was born and bred after the war.&#8221; In a radio debate Peled said: &#8220;Israel was never in real danger and there was no evidence that Egypt had any intention of attacking Israel.&#8221; He added, &#8220;Israeli intelligence knew that Egypt was not prepared for war.&#8221; Slyhunter, why do you insist on maintaining that General Peled is a liar?

Instead it is you Zionist apologists really like to look like liars when you insist on defending the old Myths in the face of solid verifiable evidence to the contrary.