Do Cathlics still excommunicate people?

I hope you get into Heaven. "Good luck" is just an expression for wishing someone well.

 

Yeah, just recently the church excommunicated a 9-year-old and her mother. The 9-year-old was excommunicated for getting an abortion after her uncle raped her; her mother for helping her. The uncle was not excommunicated.

Oh you crazy, crazy Brazilian catholics...

 

People judge. Many just happen to attribute their own judgments to a deity.

 

Not to forget in this context: Everyone is a human being - also saints, bishops and popes are 'only' human beings. Sometimes it's nonsense what people are declaring - specially if they walked not a thousand miles in the moccasins of [an]other person. Whatever someone says - completly independent wether someone seems to be a devil or seems to be an angel - we all should learn to listen to everyone. And everything what we hear should pass two filters in our minds before we take it. One filter is: "Is it true? Makes it sense? Is it reasonsable?" and the other filter is: "Is it compassion? Is it love? Is it helpful? Is it constructive?".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDHoflDhAOo

 

In your case I feel the duty to warn everyone not to believe anythign what you say. I have the feeling you are a very dangerous person. From my point of view you are maybe a Nazi. That's also a form of "excommunication" - if I think about now - isn't it? I would not know how to avoid this form of "excommunication".

http://www.youtu.be/HJlIOMaqj0E

 

It's impossible to excommunicate a 9 years old girl for decisions it is not able to do.

http://www.youtu.be/pDxDlVIu8rA

 

Yep. Those filters helped remove Christianity from my brain many years ago. You are on the right track, brother.

 

I hate it very much if an enemy calls me brother. If you agree with anything what I say it is your problem not my problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri7VeqNT-Aw

 

There's no need for you to wish I should come to heaven. You don't believe in god, you don't believe in heaven ...

http://www.youtu.be/dZvjPCcHI4g

 

I am not your enemy, Ano. Stop being so silly.

 

I wish everyone well so long as he or she hasn't harmed me. When I still was a Christian, I made a deal with God to strip me of my ability to believe and to allow some other person my spot in Heaven. I hope that person was you and that you get in despite your wicked marrying practices. Best of wishes to you, Ano my friend.

 

With God, all things are possible.

 

http://www.youtu.be/BMWsOyOHaaA

And what said god to you when you asked him this?

No. You are living your life not the life of anyone else. And you should not think your life is worthless.

Your problems are not my problems. Again: It was one of the best ideas in my life to marry again.

I'm not your friend. Like nearly every German I hate very much the misuse of this word.

http://www.youtu.be/vX07j9SDFcc

 

It wasn't long after I made this offer to God that religion stopped making sense to me and it became impossible for me to believe. I would take that as an acceptance and I stand by my decision. I hope one extra person more deserving gets into Heaven. It was not fair that I was going to get in simply because my parents happened to be the correct religion and raised me in it. So I did the only fair thing I could thing of. I gave up my own salvation to save another. I was taught from an early age to attempt to emulate Jesus Christ. Giving up my own salvation in order to save someone else was the best way I could think of to honor and emulate Jesus. And I stand by that decision.

 

My mistake, it was just her family and their doctor.

...That doesn't really make it better...

 

Yup.
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Are you serious? You really did that?

 

So what? You asked god and he took you serios. I'm not astonished. You are deciding your life - no one else.

Strange - better to say: funny. You asked god for the gift not to believe in him - he gave you this gift - and now you like to make her responsible because you don't believe in them? By the way: A good story.

You should learn something about mathematics. For example: In an hotel with an endless number of rooms where in every room lives someone is always place for a new guest.

What a nonsense. As far as I know is an individual salvation in the christian religion not existing. The whole universe - the whole creation - everyone, everything - needs salvation. You are a part of the creation - you are not "outside" because there is not an outside. It seems that something/someone can go lost - there are some warnings - but you can not go lost intentionally because you say "I like to go lost". Or did you find a way to leave the universe and to come back whenever you like to do so? (or the multiverse - what's the same in this context). Everyone is always living in the reponsibility in the eyes of the Lord. That's our freedom - and our freedom - our decisions - have also consequences.

http://www.youtu.be/70xAsge4pR0

 

I suspected that's what you were trying to do. It doesn't seem like it can work, though, because you're not perfect. If you can offer yourself as a sacrifice, your sacrifice shouldn't be sufficient to atone for the failure of anyone else because you're not perfect. The sacrifice would be blemished. If it could work or be of any help, that would imply that the Christ's sacrifice was not sufficient.

 

Sure, I was 15 and full of idealism. I had been raised hearing about loving my neighbor and praying for my enemies (from the religious side), and also about equality and freedom (from the civic side). I understood that anyone who was raised in a religion would likely stick with that religion their entire lives. So it was clear to me that my entry into Heaven would not be fair, since other people did not have Christian parents who raised me in church as I had. It was a fluke. And I didn't want it. Thanks, but no thanks, I said to Jesus with regards to His sacrifice. I would be joining my brothers in eternal torture and hellfire, because they are just as much my brothers as the Christians, many of them even good people, who wouldn't get a fair shake because they were born into, say, a Buddhist family. Those are the people I wanted as my friends, certainly not the arrogant, callous Christians I was surrounded by, who seem to relish the notion that people who disagreed with their beliefs would be tortured horribly forever because of that.

I announced my decision to my youth group class and they were stunned. Jesus WANTS me to accept His sacrifice, they said. God won't make such a deal with me, they said. There is only one way in, they said, through Jesus. I told them it was too easy for me, for it to be fair that it is so much harder for everyone else not raised Christian. And I refused the offer of eternal life, opting instead to be tortured along with the people whom I knew full well were mostly no worse than I. In some cases, even better people.

The leaders of the youth group had a chat with my parents and asked them to get me to stop saying such things to the class. Naturally, since my salvation had already been yielded, I didn't have much of a reason to attend anymore, so I stopped going shortly after that request.

Some months later, God accepted my offer and eliminated my ability to believe in Christianity. I can only hope that He will hold up His end of the bargain and allow one extra soul into eternal bliss in my place.

 

That's a queer thing to say, Ano. In English, the words "I stand by my decision" indicate personal responsibility. I think we may have an impenetrable language barrier if the phrase, "I stand by my decision" somehow indicates to you that I am blaming someone Else for my decision. That is a very queer thing for you to have said. Can you please explain how you misinterpreted that and assure me that you now understand that what you posted does not follow?

I have no interest in magic. By the way, I hope you don't mind that I corrected your post so that it makes sense in English.

I made the decision, when I still fully believed in God, that I did not want His particular gift of eternal life. I stand by that decision and I accept its consequences.

 

He stayed dead for three days, though. I was willing to offer an eternity. I guess it depends on how the market for souls is looking. Maybe there is a surplus of perfect souls, seeing as how God is omnipresent, and mine would satisfy a cosmos looking for something fresh. If it sounds silly, it's because people actually believe silly things like this.

 

Yes okay an abortion to save a woman's life and the bishop will declare you excommunicate.

Get divorced and remarry.

Commit apostasy.

So guilty as charged I guess.

Wiki gives this list...

Abortion (any formal cooperation in it)
Acceptance by human society of murderous famines without trying to fix it
Adulation of another's grave faults if it makes one an accomplice in another's vices or grave sins, but it is not grave when it only seeks to be agreeable, to avoid evil, to meet a need, or to obtain legitimate advantages.
Adultery
Blasphemy
Defrauding a worker of his wages
Deliberate failure to go to mass on Holy Days of Obligation unless excused for a serious reason or dispensed by one's own pastor[21]
Divination, magic, and sorcery
Divorce (If civil divorce, which cannot do anything to the spiritual marriage in the eyes of God, remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the protection of inheritance, or the care of the children it is not a sin.)[22]
Drug Abuse
Endangering their own and others' safety by drunkenness or a love of speed on the road, at sea or in the air
Envy (if to the level of wishing grave harm to another)
Euthanasia
Extreme Anger (at the level of truly and deliberately desiring to seriously hurt or kill someone)
Fornication
Hatred of a neighbor/to deliberately desire him or her great harm
Homosexual acts
Incest
Lying (the gravity is measured by "the truth it deforms, the circumstances, the intentions of the one who lies, and the harm suffered by its victims"[23] )
Murder (except when done in self defense or defense of others when there is no other way)
Perjury and False Oaths
Polygamy
Pornography
Prostitution
Rape
Refusing or withholding a just wage
Rich nation's refusal to aid those which are unable to ensure the means of their development by themselves
Sacrilege
Scandal (deliberately causing someone to sin gravely)
Suicide
Terrorism that threatens, wounds and kills indiscriminately
Unfair wagers and cheating at games unless the damage is unusually light

Mind you I've never heard of a priest being declared excommunicate for having raped a child, it takes them long enough to defock them...

 

Wow. Cookies for you, that's got to be the single ballsiest deconversion I have ever heard of.

 

Which denomination were you?