more proof that Palestinians don't really want peace with Israel.

Unrefuted proofs that Israel was the 1966/1967 aggressor were posted only a week or two ago - http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...ttack-israel-retaliates-3.html#post1062045176 Yet here you are, with yet another hot-air repetition of the Zionist mega-MYTH:

Fact?? What fact?? What “in preparation for battle”?

Instead here are more REAL facts, supported and referenced, in the form of yet more quotes from Zionist leaders (taken mostly from Tom Segev's archival research in his book "1967") to disprove your MYTH:

1) General Moshe Dayan, Israel’s hero of 1967: Page 325 – Dayan agreed that Israel was responsible for the crisis”. What crisis? On page 275 “Egypt was responding to a series of Israeli actions … which included the extension of military service, the April 7 incident (!) including the fight near Damascus, and the Israeli propaganda line which blamed Syria exclusively for terrorist attacks.”

2) On Dayan continued (page 275): As further examples of Israel’s provocations which led to the crisis he “also mentioned the Samua operation (Israel’s invasion of Jordan in November 1966). Nasser could not remain indifferent to all of these, Dayan said, and added that he was not surprised by the Egyptian demand to remove the UN force. … Nasser was not planning to invade Israel ” Later on the same page Segev writes “which explained the defensive alignment of (Nasser’s) forces”.

3) Like Dayan, David Ben-Gurion (page 286) believed that neither Syria nor Egypt, but Israel itself, was responsible for this crisis.

4) Brigadier General Israel Lior (referenced to his memoirs – page 275) is on record that “Nasser’s move was primarily part of a psychological face-off … the process (the conflict with the Arab states)started with the air battle near Damascus on April 7 (1967)”

5) Other Israeli leaders who stated that Nasser did not intend to go to war: Uzi Narkis (page 357); Haim Moshe Shapira (pages 316 and 329);

“On 14 April 1971, a report in the Israeli newspaper Al-Hamishmar contained the following statement by Mordecai Bentov, a member of the (Israeli) wartime national government. “The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”

I rest my case.

 

not proof hot air. People get tired of arguing against your constant bloviating and they give up and go away. Not because you won but because you are hard headed and blind to the truth.

 

You have been very accomodating in your response...
Me think that this fella shovels bull all day long and got used to the smell

 

The usual ill-informed sectarian flamebait .

 

If that were true we wouldn't be reading about how Muslims in X country is trying to force everyone to their way of think via terrorism. It's happening all over the world.

 

If Israel can have a piece of it, why not Palestine. Maybe he just means that Palestinians should be able to live there and fly their flag. Nothing wrong with that.

 

Let me point out what is wrong...
a) This is the land of the Jews!
b) We fought for it, we forced the British Army to withdraw
c) We fought 7 Arab armies for our independence
d) There was no Palestinian then and there is no Palestine now
e) We fought Jordan and we made it withraw to the Jordan river
f) The rag tag lot that considered themselves a power now, were nowhere to be found.
g) The so called Phallustinans did not fight the IDF the killed civilian Jews
h) I say if they want land let them fight for it and be eliminated once and for all.

 

Let me point out what is wrong...
a) This is the land of the Jews!
b) We fought for it, we forced the British Army to withdraw
c) We fought 7 Arab armies for our independence
d) There was no Palestinian then and there is no Palestine now
e) We fought Jordan and we made it withraw to the Jordan river
f) The rag tag lot that considered themselves a power now, were nowhere to be found.
g) The so called Phallustinans did not fight the IDF they killed civilian Jews
h) I say if they want land let them fight for it and be eliminated once and for all.

 

So, you are conquerors and colonialists.
How quaint to believe that that is a form of territorial gain still accepted in this world.

Go back to the Green Line; negotiate with the indigenous people of that territory (the ones who did not take a 2000 year gap) in good faith so as to finally create full legal borders for your country; think laterally to find a solution to the issue of the refugees (hint: What is the current value of US aid to Israel over the next 50 years?); offer your splendid technology to find a solution to the water issues; cease the boycott of Gaza; respect democratic elections in Palestine ....

.... and then live in the knowledge that if you are attacked again, the weight of most of this planet will be on your side and you will have access to Chapter VII of the Security Council. But most importantly, you will have reverse the horrendous slide in Israel's image and created massive good will.

Now compare that to the effects of the current futile and illegal striving for all of Eretz Yisrael.

 

You have a morose disposition and a cherry picker's attitude...
Why should we share with squatters bent on destroying us from the inside according to their Qur'an?

One Million Jews from the Arab/Muslim countries were thrown out with their shirts on their back (they left an estimated 40 Billion dollars in property and bank accounts), even the women jewelry was taken from them before they left... And you and your followers want to perpetuate the status quo ante in our country, on our land???????????????

You believe in chimeras friend... stay in Spain and do not step in my country!

 

Cherry picker? What cherry picking?

You quoted your version of the historical essentials of the “Holy Land” and I classified them as epitomising conquerors and colonialists. Here is your original list with my detailed classification:

OK, so I admit it, HBendor. I WAS WRONG.

Having given it more thought I now see in your summary the classical traits of the Zionists as being:

Terrorists; Apartheidists; Colonialists; Conquerors And that’s no cherry picking!! It was your list, not mine

 

If not for European Zionism those Arab Jews would still be living all over the Arab world.. I'd say you owe tham reparations.

 

Strangly enough, these "Arab Jews" consiste most of the right wing parties and "Western Jews" the left, funney isnt it.

 

The answer is very simple – the bulk of the Palestinian are not squatters; their bloodline is indigenous to the “Holy Land”
And so is that of the Jews. Not surprising, because they are the same people. The Jews just took a 2000 year leave-of-absence and picked up some blue eyes and blonde hair in the process.

You tried, utterly unsuccessfully, on about 4 occasions to prove that the Palestinians were immigrants to the “Holy Land”, as follows:
# You data were torn to shreds when compared to verifiable local references

# You were shown to have used rank bad math to try to show the “Peters’ principle”

# You were shown to be guilty of the most gross part-quotes (cherry picking) from the Survey for Palestine

# You were shown to have deliberately distorted the reports by officials who were in Palestine at the time

Yet here you are claiming that you were vindicated all along. Have you no shame?

 

The wicked European Resistance refused peace with Hitler, the swine - especially the fanatics in the Warsaw Ghetto. Heil Netemyahu!

 

And the reason is, of course, that the Zionists started this mutual bellicose ball rolling with a similar mission since 1847.

Take a look at this latest Zionist step in their grand plan, if you don't believe me:

http://world.time.com/2012/12/31/the-west-banks-2012-the-year-of-the-israeli-settlement/

So not only is Israel promising to annihilate the West Bank. It is actually DOING that.

And this is for political gain which as a side-effect is going to infuriate the Palestinians. Did someone claim that "Israel never initiates; Israel only retaliates"?

 

AFAI canttell - Palestinian wants juctics while greed driven insatiable Zionist Jews never cease in wanting an ever larger piece of Palestine for now , and thereafter Greater Israel the promised lanf from the Nile to the Euphrates ::


Greater Israel (Hebrew: התנועה למען ארץ ישראל השלמה‎, HaTenu'a Lema'an Eretz Yisrael HaSheleima


At the same time controlling the Goyim in Washington /London + whoever else
stupid enough to serve them.

 

Palestinians already have two states they're called Jordan and Egypt. Can't they be satisfied with two states that we have to give them part of Israel as a third?

 

Can you see the crap in that post ? Hmmm - perhaps not.

tata

There was no Israel - no such creatures as Israelis before the influx of Zionist Jews into Palestine and the then illegitimate creation of the Zionist entity.


Watch - listen and learn

[video=youtube;AT1wqPdsCZo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT1wqPdsCZo[/video]



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Ridiculous!... The return of the Jews to their LAND was bound to happen for the Jews of the world were not annihilated like many other cultures... i.e. Mesopotamians, Assyrians and Babylonians to name a few!!!

 

You have your own morose interpretation... one should go with the idea that you and all the rest of the following want to drive a wedge between the Jews and their country while promoting a foreign conqueror a Muslim descendents of conquerors from Arabia...
In history : Who fought the Pharaohs, the Hittite, the Babylonians, the Romans etc... they were not Zionist I presume... right they were not! They were Jews and I and many others are their descendants. To follow the theories of the Naturei Karta (less than 5000 scatter brains) and the demands of the present Arab squatters that you prefer to legitimize their non history I presume!

The Jews were not thrown out??????????????????????????? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm go read Nasser since you are such a heavy reader.

You do not belong to any Jewish household so you do not know half of their history, you just rely on the shisters of this world and you base all your eloquent notes on their misquoted historical nonsense.

My friend I would want to be polite and mention that once more your condescending above phraseology does not make sense to an educated ear...

This post of yours (all of it) does not deserve a civic retort... it is condescending and untrue...
There is not a country called Zionists... 'Zionism Sir, is a political movement' i.e. Republicans, Democrats, Socialists and even Communists... etc...

I wonder what the next MYTH is???? LOL

 

So ... you do not refute (morose interpretation or not) that the bulk of the Jews chose to leave Arab countries either 1) after the ethnic cleansing of 400+ Palestinian settlements (OUCH!!!) or 2) after the Israeli invasions of Syria and Lebanon in 1966/1967?

Because, Buddy, if you do I will drown you in verifiable evidence to the contrary. That's a promise.

 

Perhaps if you took a reserved attitude I would have loved to debate this...
But since you are thumbing your nose at me, I am going to milk the cows, they are better friends...
BTW I am a terrific swimmer... got a few local medals.

 

But the Zionist terrorists sought alliance with the Third Reich (just as the Mufti did, but only the latter is ever quoted by the Zionists) and also with Mussolini. Amazingly hypocritical, isn't it? I intend to rub their noses in it when next they bring up the Mufti.