Scientists just found the biggest supermassive black hole ever

Bishadi, you are the one making the claim, on this forum, that current theories on physics are wrong. Nothing wrong with that, but you expect people to take you seriously when you're not putting forth the reasoning WHY people should take your claims seriously over the current ones. Again, you don't have to produce evidence, because this forum is not a scientific journal.

However.

If you're actually interested in people taking you seriously, and if you want your posts to be considered more than just stubborn denial, make your case. Otherwise, you posting on this forum is really no different than me walking around saying the Earth is made of marshmallows. Any shmuck in the world can SAY something. We tend to only take seriously those amongst us who can PROVE what they say. In this case, you don't even really have to prove your theories are right. We'll settle for you making a case why the current theories are wrong.

Do something at least, or to be honest, there's little difference between you and a troll, or you and those fruities from the conspiracy theory section.

 

i asked if any of the mass is lit (emitting light)?

Is it dark?

is it lit or dark

are both of the mass emissions as claimed of hurricanes and galaxies dark?

is it lit?

mirage caused by em bends the light causally, everytime

so you believe all that, and never even looked thru a telescope that collected such data, right?

i kept that for you

or they sharing energy and rotating, within nothing in the middle, like a hurricane

nor mass collapsing to cause a black hole

no matter how big the black is

 

i ask people to see the evidence themselves. i offer alternate view points to assist any in observing that there is more to learn.

The black hole garbage is based on mass a long way AWAY but to observe the evidence that can be experienced, then comprehending how them far away things work can be better understood.

ie.... the fields of the solar systems are associating all the while them 'suns' are exchanging energy (light) with its neighbors (entangled). That's how/why they rotate.

same as hurricanes

same as on nano disk

The phenomenon in ferromagnetic nanodisks of magnetic vortices – hurricanes of magnetism only a few atoms across – has generated intense interest in the high-tech community because of the potential

http://newscenter.lbl.gov/feature-stories/2012/08/07/new-phenomenon-in-nanodisk-magnetic-vortices/

you'r just not up to speed on what EVIDENCE is being revealed within todays sciences, that they did not have when the black sh't garbage was created.

Look up what a paradigm shift is.

The whole of understanding nature is changing and you just dont know it.

from what 'life' is to how mass/energy/time actually work is all unfolding, right now, on this earth


And just because you have no idea what is occuring and that it aint on the wormhole shows, that what is currently being published is not completely changing how nature is observed.

i dont do conspiracy crap

I am just honest with myself and few or any that you have ever met are just that fair to reality.

 

Nor mathematically modeled or predicted Black holes were originally predicted in 1783 (!!) Here's a reference:

http://suite101.com/article/origin-of-the-idea-of-black-holes-a29798

The idea that there might be stars from which light can not escape was first suggested in 1783 by the British geologist and clergyman, John Michell. In a meeting of the Royal Society of London held on November 27, 1783, he predicted that dark stars might exist if they were small enough that their escape velocity exceeded the speed of light. Light could then not escape.

In 1796, Pierre Simon Laplace made a similar prediction in his book Le Systeme du Monde. Laplace referred to these objects as "corps obscura". Laplace either thought of the idea independently or did not give proper credit because he made no reference to Michell's earlier work.

By the early 19th century, experiments showed that light had wave-like properties. Because scientists thought that waves, unlike particles, would not be affected by gravity the idea of corps obscura fell out of favor.

In the early 20th century we learned that light exhibits both wave and particle properties (from quantum mechanics) and that light is affected by gravity (general relativity), perhaps paving the way for the idea's return.

Schwarzschild's Solution to Einstein's Equations

Einstein's theory of general relativity predicts the possibility of black holes, but Einstein did not make the prediction himself. Karl Schwarzschild set the stage for black holes.

Einstein's paper on general relativity appeared in 1915 during the height of World War I. Schwarzschild, a loyal German citizen, served in the German army despite being above the normal age for military service. While serving on the Russian front, he read Einstein's paper in the November issue of the Proceedings of the Prussian Academy of Sciences. Einstein had used only an approximate solution to his gravitational field equations.

Schwarzschild found an exact solution in a few days. By confining the problem to an idealized star that was perfectly spherical and not rotating, he found the gravitational field outside the star. Einstein read the resulting paper on Schwarzschild's behalf at the January 1916 meeting of the Prussian Academy of Sciences. Schwarzschild continued working and in a few weeks calculated the gravitational field inside the star. Again Einstein presented the paper on his behalf at the February meeting of the Prussian Academy.

Unfortunately for science, and especially for Schwarzschild, he was not able to continue his groundbreaking work. He died on the Russian front within a few months, and Einstein had the sad task of presenting Schwarzschild's obituary at the June meeting of the Prussian Academy.

Schwarzschild's Prediction

Schwarzschild did not actually predict the existence of black holes because he did not consider the possibility that such exotic collapsed stars might exist. However the possibility of stars collapsed to the point that light can not escape is a direct consequence of his solutions to Einstein's gravitational field equations. Because Einstein's special theory of relativity predicts that nothing can travel faster than light any star collapsed to the point that its escape velocity exceeds the speed of light allows nothing to escape.

Schwarzschild's work lay dormant for a while. In the 1960s, interest in these stars revived. John Wheeler coined the descriptive term "black hole" to describe them. They are black because light can not escape. The fact that nothing else can escape either makes them like a hole. One can fall in but can not climb back out.

 

Crikey, Bishadi. What relevance do you think a nanoscopic magnetic "hurricane" has here? Does the existence of that RAM data-threatening little phenomenon negate relativity theory for you? Does it mean ordinary hurricanes aren't, at least to your thinking, what they appear to be?

You're "buzzed" all right...

 

You have to show the evidence for people to see it. There's no need to be subtle or mysterious. I don't think there's anything wrong with offering alternate view points, but don't just fling out unsubstantiated ones.

So show us the evidence.

I'm interested. Make your case.

You leave Morgan Freeman out of this.

 

evidence of energy associating to create a rotaing vortex.

I bet you had no idea that the sun and our solar system has a hugenormous (it's a technical term) magnetophere?

 

Evidence? Read the last 50 posts that i have made. including threads opened.

Then tell me what fields are unique to your comprehension?

it's been made

The energy is associating and it is em (all cases) in one fashion or another.

morgan is cool but not even remotely a carl. ie.... morgan dont know any better, kind of like you, but carl he knew the frame was incomplete, just like einstein, and all the real ones.

You just aint honest enough with yourself to admit, that the model currently accepted is not only incomplete but incorrect.

No big deal, actually.

 

This is what I found from you on rotation of galaxies and it has to do with the relationship between mass prediction and luminosity.

Perhaps I missed it but I have found nothing so far from you in relation to why you think time dialation and black holes are fiction.

 

Are you sure that it does? Is it well enough proven for you to accept it?

Yes, I've heard about the sun's powerful magnetic field before. It does funny things, too, like form little loops along which solar matter/energy travels when there are eruptions. Unless you're talking about bigger than the sun's magnetic field - then I'm lost..

 

nothing

the evidence is to show that the predictions by math of the rotations are incorrect as proven by the evidence via telescopes.

So no matter what is identified in any pretty pictures from there forth, has to be mathematically rehashed. The reason is that the model is wrong, not that mass rotating around a center caused by the associating energy is incorrect.

Meaning; i am stating the exact facts, "The mass rotating around a center is caused by the associating energy."

because they are speculations of phenomenon derived by consequences of theorem, not that the black hole was noted in nature and they defined it.

We all can identify the same rotations of galaxies, with hurricanes so in all fairness, only a moron would discount what is actually found in nature, because they dont want to admit being wrong.


Are the em fields of the hurricane or galaxy observed in either model of either phenomenon? Do you include the concept of em fields even being relevant?

 

what?

have you ever looked at the suns magnetosphere imaging?

How big is it?

What is the Parker Spiral to this field? (nasa- http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/solarmag.html)


kind of cute that you never knew it existed?

or how hugenormous it is

 

Why, thank you. Yes, I am cute.

But no.. I wasn't familiar with the Parker Spiral before. What difference does that make, though? The Parker Spiral and the nanoscopic magnetic swirls you posted about earlier so far seem to have nothing to do with black holes or how we know they're real.

What do you think lurks at the heart of galaxies where stars are seen to orbit eccentrically around a point, and where unimaginably enormous jets of energy stream out? If that's not a black hole holding stars in a deadly gravitational embrace and consuming them, what is it?

 

what color helmit do you wear when you walk?

so that huge magnetosphere is around every star and galaxy but yo had no idea it existed?

imagine that.

It's a part of nature. And it aint important to you?

nothing you posted is about black holes.

i was posting about what the phenomena is, that enables a black hole to exist.

does it look like this?

[video=youtube;S5725Etc4bI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5725Etc4bI[/video]


[video=youtube;sMSIcwgP1yw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=sMSIcwgP1yw#t=365s[/video]

the fields around them stars are associating and that is what is holding them, moving them, causing them to rotate

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sMSIcwgP1yw#t=443s




magnetic fields

good

and then if you comprehend ANYTHING of em, then EVERY electric or magnetic field, in motion, within a field, creates a charge.

 

[video=youtube;sMSIcwgP1yw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=sMSIcwgP1yw#t=443s[/video]


jj

 

Now that's a funny question to be asking. Certainly not on topic.

 

Did anyone ever tell you that you speak in odd cadences? "Not that you open your mouth, nasty spews and no one can stop it!" Thats not even a sentence. So you cant make sentences, you state the Sun works like a "Volcano", blurt something about math and then blurt more insults but somehow claim to know proven science is incorrect, yet have listed no science at all.
This is where you blurt some more drug induced gibberish to amuse me.
Im still waiting for the sun is a volcano science. Where is its caldera?

 

all I have to say is there some very very strange people on this forum with even stranger ideas...it's hard to fathom that they managed to graduate from any recognized school system...

 

for example does: "shut up punk", fit?

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what about integrity?

I would rather a bunch of idiots that are honest, than educated sobs

 

Some folk are just too stubborn to read or try to understand much of anything beyond what they have been exposed to. The reason why these threads are ruined is that there is no rule on these forums to require integrity.

There is no rule that requires people to actually support to the letter, what they witness.

I have added this simply because I felt bad after reading thru this thread, that no matter how much material information is available for folk to read and comprehend, like in theology, many adherants are so nasty and so rude, that the only real way to get thru the mess, is to actually do the homework.

Use some of the key words i post and even the links to evidence that is being published globally. And I will assure you, that you will have a head start as well learn about what YOU are as a life, within nature.

 

lol integrity? did you read your post immediately prior to your last? If rules of integrity were enforced you would be banned right now.
Does "shut up punk" sound like words someone with integrity would use?

 

how is that?


I maintain integrity to science in a science section.

Punks dont

when addressing a liar?

absolutely!

 

a) You lost any scientific integrity when you said the sun was a volcano.
b) at no where did I lie.

 

you dont know how volcanoes (the process works) at the subduction zones.

idiots still think the earth is cooling and the magma is coming from the center.

sure you did, read a) above, that was a lie.

I didnt say the sun was a volcano, liar!