Part 3 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Yap, they are wrong and they have been wrong many times that is why God has punish them so many times and they still haven't learn a thing. Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God the God. The Jews are waiting for an earthly king that will make Israel a mighty earthly kingdom.

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I will assume you must have missed the many back and fort posting about evolution, apes, computer, machines and humans. Sometimes pretending to be ignorant is an excuse to take responsibility. Nonetheless, I will continue to entertain yours and others pretences.

 

What? You claim to be the smartest person in this thread. So how can you ask such an ignorant question?
Whose God are you claiming as God? Is he not the God of Abraham?
Whose God are the Jews claiming as God? Is he not the God of Abraham?
Whose God are the Muslims claiming as God? Is he not the God of Abraham?

All claim the same God. All have a different theory on eternal bliss.

You may try to find the exact post, but I don't claim I've said former yet. Just doubtful about it being the/a true religion.
Now you've had 3 threads to explain some questions and have done a very very poor job. If you don't know an answer you should just say so, instead you make up biased opinions and try to pass them off as factual and then state one has to just believe. Not a very convincing argument as the other 2 abrahamic religions will state the very same claim. Just have faith.

Again, a red flag should get thrown up when God's chosen people differ with the messiah. Are you claiming they are no longer God's chosen? Or is it your belief someday they will think Jesus is the Jewish messiah?

 

Yes, actually, that is correct. Thank you for correcting me.

 

Well if more than one person misinterprets someone, then the problem usually lies with the one doing the explaining.

 

I've concluded there are 2 wanrens. He is caught in so many lies he doesn't remember what lies he's told. So there has to be 2 of them.

I provided proof that God is the same for muslims, jews, and christians. And yet claims I am wrong.

 

God's chosen people are wrong?
http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...-jew-what-heck-why-not-11.html#post1062337096

The covenant with them was eternal.

 

And circular reasoning prevails yet agian.

 

Jews who follow Judaism were wrong especially with their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jews who worship and accepted Jesus Christ got it right.
Yes the covenant was eternal and there were Jews who strayed from that covenant.

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Yes, it will always point back to God, and scientist understood that, that there exist a Creator nothing comes from nothing.

 

You have only proof that you are a machine with very limited knowledge. Ignoring the very fact that Muslim book both the koran and hadith have written down that they do not worship Jesus Christ.
Please provide proof from Muslims to admit that they worship Jesus Christ the God of Christian.

There are not two Wanren, only me but there are millions of Christians who do not worship the god of Islam.
The bottom line is there are many liars or should I say misinform and distorters who want to corrupt Christianity with paganism and Islam that is part of their strategy on how to destroy Christianity.

 

Now this is really going nuts, please do not say you guys admit humans evolve from apes you just said they are not and I did not know that now you are saying now humans did evolve from apes so let us be clear it is your claim not mine and base on your claim this would mean that humans and apes evolve from King Kong he is the Adam of men and apes!! wow, weirddddd ....still scientist classified humans as humans and orangutans, gorillas or chimpanzees as apes.

 

I'm going to guess that anything that I present is not going to be really acknowledged by you as being genuinely scientific, but, what the hell, let's try. Hopefully the fence-sitters will be convinced.

Firstly: morphology. Human anatomy and the anatomy of modern non-human apes is very similar, and we know this is because all the similar parts develop from the exact same anatomical features.

Secondly: biochemistry. Humans and non-human apes all share identical or nearly identical biochemical features, such as immune proteins (antibodies, self-identification proteins, etc.), hemoglobin, and so on for essentially every single protein you can think of.

Thirdly: genetics. The differences in genetics between humans and modern non-human apes is absolutely tiny, from roughly 1% for chimps to under 5% for orangutans. Such small differences in the genetic code are known to mean that the animals involved are very closely related to one another.

Fourthly: the fossil record. We have a rather large array of ape fossils stretching back to 30 million years ago that clearly show how each of the modern apes (including humans) was derived and roughly how long ago.

Fifthly: susceptibility to the same diseases. Now, there are some diseases out there that are relatively indiscriminate in their ability to infect other animals (rabies, influenza, etc.), while there are other diseases that are very species specific. It turns out that there are very few diseases that are so human specific that they cannot infect non-human apes. Non-human apes can catch the common cold, which no other animals can, for instance.

 

Modern zoologists are very concerned with making taxonomy rational and thus strive for monophyly. Older biological texts will divide humans and non-human apes, but modern zoologists will readily tell you humans are apes and the animals that used to be classified solely as "apes" are today known as "non-human apes" because it's illogical and nonsensical to divide humans from the rest of the apes, on the basis that we share all major anatomical features.

 

Whose God are you claiming as God? Is he not the God of Abraham?
Whose God are the Jews claiming as God? Is he not the God of Abraham?
Whose God are the Muslims claiming as God? Is he not the God of Abraham?

All claim the same God. All have a different theory on eternal bliss

Can you answer yes or no to the above?

 

Well, it's kind of a weird subject to discuss. We are apes so it doesn't really make sense to say that we evolved from apes. But, technically, everybody alive also evolved from "Homo Sapiens" as well even though we already call ourselves Homo Sapiens. Akhlut is correct in saying that we evolved from apes, just not modern apes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate#Evolutionary_history

"Suborder Haplorhini, the simple-nosed or "dry-nosed" primates, is composed of two sister clades.[1] Prosimian tarsiers in the family Tarsiidae (monotypic in its own infraorder Tarsiiformes), represent the most basal division, originating about 58 mya.[38][39] The infraorder Simiiformes emerged about 40 mya,[33] and contains two clades, both parvorders: Platyrrhini, which developed in South America, consisting of New World monkeys, and Catarrhini, which developed in Africa, consisting of Old World monkeys, humans and the other apes.[1] A third clade, which included the eosimiids, developed in Asia, but went extinct millions of years ago"

 

WanRen, Jesus (if he existed) was from the royal line of the Herods.
His mother was granddaughter of Herod. Joseph was brother or half brother to Herod.

How EXACTLY do you know that what is written in that Jewish Book you call the Bible, is true? I could well be fiction, couldn’t it? How would you know?

What proof is there that the Apostles existed. Don’t you find it a curious coincidence that they each represent a sign of the Zodiac?
http://www.angelfire.com/stars2/astarot/V1I12/disciples.html

What are our Souls (consciousness) being saved from?
Don’t you find it ridiculous that a God would sacrifice himself to himself?

Don’t you think that Christians are fools to give their lives for some promise of a “heaven” which may not exist?
What proof is there for the existence of a “heaven”?
Writings in some old book are not proof.

And then you say: “The Inquisition was the only thing standing in between mob rule and barbarism that was a time of chaos and lawlessness and only the church has the respect, education to bring some sanity to a Europe that has gone crazy with their fear from Muslim invaders, deseases, civil unrest and social disorder. Yes I have read the Church History and the Inquisition introduce what we now know as common or civil laws.”

WHAT are you talking about. The Church was having people TORTURED for disbelief; for saying anything contrary to its dogma. The only “barbarism” was conducted by the Church. How does Torture engender Respect or sanity in the populous? How does Torture ward off diseases and Muslim invaders?
And Torture is now our civil law?

 

Mitt Ryan says: “(*)our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, who paid for the sins of mankind by sacrificing Himself and shedding His sinless blood on the cross.”

How does his shedding his blood pay for mankind”s “sins”?
Who exactly is the Payee? And why does this Payee ask for Blood?
And What “sins” are you talking about?

 

Quote Posted by Woody:

Yeah and if he was any kind of god at all he could stop it. He created EVIL, he's turned a blind eye to the entire creation he suppose to so call LOVE. So you blame this EVIL on who? Man? A Devil? Both?
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God did not create evil, but He punishes evil. All evil are the result of man's disobedience to God's laws. So if one obeys God's laws, the evil stops with them.

Just imagine if every person in the world decided to obey God's laws on a particular day, there would be no evil committed at all and the whole world would be free of evil but of course it won't last long because the very next day evil will erupt again because of man's sinful nature.

We see this evil displayed by mankind daily, just turn on the daily evening TV news...you'll see what I'm talking about. Who do you see committing all this evil?...this is not a trick question...lol

All the evil wicked sinful non-believing people will be punished by God for all eternity.

All the righteous, repenting, Christ believing people will be rewarded by God for all eternity.

 

Quote Posted by danielpalos:

When will the Right stop appealing to Ignorance instead of more Perfect Knowledge?
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It is not possible for any human being to ever attain perfect knowledge, however we can appeal to it as much as we want.

 

The problem here is, "evil" is operationally defined as "behavior in YOUR self-interest, but against MY self-interest." And of course self-interests are always in competition. Life isn't quite a zero-sum game, but as a rule of thumb just about anything that hurts anyone helps someone else. So the only way to eliminate all evil in the world for one day would be to put everyone into suspended animation for that day. Otherwise, whosoever eats food, is depriving someone more needy of that selfsame food, and is therefore EVIL. Whoever holds a job is displacing someone else who needs that job. No wind is so ill that it blows nobody good.

 

You just made a strawman argument from your own strawman argument. LOL you are the very first person I have ever seen that has ever pulled this off.
I never said Man evolved directly from Apes. YOU said I said that, when I didnt, then refuted your own claim. THATS A TEXTBOOK DEFINITION OF A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT!! Its not open to conjecture. Its in writing. Anyone can go back and read it. Then you claim I am misinformed when it is clear to anyone reading this that I am not.
You say you are a good christian by not making me do a tarzan? What does that even mean? Well gee thanks I guess Im lucky. Usually History has shown us Christians would burn, drown or crush people to death if they disagree with you. For example, how great is it that Christians teach, "thou shalt not kill", yet they fail to mention if you dont agree with them.....they will kill you. Its the ultimate hypocrisy.
As long as doing a Tarzan isnt a painful death I guess thats a good start for you religious guys.
We are all stilllllllllll waiting for you and the OP to post your scientific findings showing where Hawkings "corrputed" science. Whats the matter GOD cant give you the answer you need to prove lil ole me wrong?
Just for the record, if the goal of this thread was to make more people have faith in your religion you guys are having the exact opposite effect. As with every religious person I have ever met, it starts off ok, but then as you ask more and more questions they become angry. You can totally see what happened at the Salem Witch Trials and how virtually every war on the planet got started over whos god was more correct.


P.S. - God if you are real, please make the OP provide the specific scientific findings proving Hawkins corrupted science, and please make Wan Ren stop making strawman arguments. Please make me a believer.

 

This is the reason your religion carries the reputation it does.

Your devil came from somewhere. Oh he created it and now he is useless to stop it. That is if there even is a god.

Is that the way it works with this god? Oh its not my fault blame it on the ones I supposedly created. Pretty bad when an almighty deity does not have the gonads to accept responsibilty for his own mistake.

 

You got no idea...........LoL!

 

Quote Posted by Akhlut:

So, why would John Calvin, who ran a brutal, murderous dictatorship, or all the good Christian boys in the Luftwaffe go to heaven while Gandhi or the Jains go to hell? That's not really justice. That's the whims of a tyrant.
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First of all you really don't know who is in heaven and who is in hell, you are just assuming. Do you know for sure that Gandhi didn't convert over and accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord Savior? Or if John Calvin was just masquerading around as a Christian all the while being a false Christian?

Regardless, though. God's justice is fair and righteous. He has made it abundantly clear as written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible of what He will do concerning the eternal fate of the believers and non-believers.

Lastly how could you ever believe in your finite mind in your human perspective that you are more righteous than the Creator.

God’s essence or perfections are infinite and beyond the scope of total human understanding.

 

There is a reason why humans were classified as humans not apes and apes not humans but classify as apes because even though there are some physical similarities it does not mean that apes are humans and humans are apes. Humans and apes are distinct species, creatures or animals of their own kind. Scientist believe that humans and apes originated from a single species called Hominoidea or from primates to hominoida. From Hominoidea it splits into humans and apes, apes may have also originated from primates same as humans have but both humans and apes will split and evolve separately distinct from one another.

I believe this is what many are confuse they have this impression that humans evolve from apes and when individuals like me point it out that it is not the case I get crucified for it. Right now you are insisting that humans evolve from apes in spite of that fact that science has already said that is not the case.

The chart and research is very clear from Primates then spilt to apes and humans not primates-apes-humans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate#Historical_and_modern_terminology

 

Serious inquiry: is English your first language?

No, you're using taxonomic groupings as species, which bodes ill. All apes (humans inclusive) originated from a single common ancestor some 30 million years ago; the modern apes (humans inclusive) are all descended from a single species originating some 13 million years ago, Pierolapithecus catalaunicus (or, at least, a species contemporary with P. catalaunicus that shared many similar features).

No, that's wrong. All apes had a single ancestor and that population bifurcated, leading to the great apes and the gibbons. The great ape lineage bifurcated again, leading to orangutans and the group of gorillas, chimps, and humans. The lineage bifurcated again, with gorillas' ancestors going one way and the chimp/human ancestor another. Then, about 7 million years ago, humans split off from the chimp lineage.

Because you couldn't be more wrong on the matter if you were intentionally trying to be.

You're using lay terminology to try and interpret a phylogeny. *headdesk*

If you'll notice the actual tree, you'll see that humans, chimps, and gorillas are all more closely related to each other than to any other primates.