So Lefties, Still want to be like Europe? 12% unemployment!

You mean you were doing better before the recession than after it? You don't say.

 

You want our retired military veterans and disabled veterans to move out of the U.S.? Along with our retirees, and our disabled of course.

That seems rather un-American to me.

 

Recovery? You have got to be sh*tting us.

 

Lets not forget our neighbor to the north with 7% unemployment, and our ally in the Pacific, Australia with 5.4% unemployment.

I can't figure out quite the mindset that says we must look to Cyprus as model for the U.S. but not Australia or Canada.

 

Yeah. Right. 3.0% higher real unemployment than when he took office. Things are getting so much better that Food Stamp enrollment has gone up every month Obama has been in office. Bush handed him 30 million enrollees, and Obama will hand the next POTUS something like 55-60 million, as we are at 48 now. And 6 million more on disability.

Hip hip hooray for Obumbles. Only a complete jackass would praise this.

 

Nope:

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...s-images/43xxx/SNAP_Infographic_4_18_2012.png

 

We could drill baby drill and at least put a lot of Republicans back to work.

Obama voters would still be at liberty to picket outside oil refineries and at gas fracking sites until their extended unemployed eligibility runs out..

 

Leaping on an unemployment figure and then crowing about it in a partisan manner is indicative of the condition of the public discourse. This isn't football, your side isn't winning, everyone is losing, well apart from a few fabulously wealthy types who will always remain above the ruck.

The US does not have a socialist president. The US does not have socialism. The US has possibly the most capitalistic, neoliberal economy in the world. The US has vast physical resources and a well educated and trained labour market. Why isn't it doing better economically? I'm asking because I don't know.

Australia has been mentioned favourably a couple of times. We are not a socialist economy but we do have different social policies from the US - for the purpose of this post I'm going to suggest that those differences are not relevant. Our economy is doing well overall but some regions/states are doing better than others at the moment because, thankfully, our raw resources are in demand. I think if that market were to fall over we'd be in trouble economically. I'm pointing this out to contribute to the debate, not be a Hanrahan.

Where we did well was in the wake of the GFC. Unlike the US we do not have a poor regulated financial system. Like Canada, which also survived the GFC pretty well, our financial sector is well regulated (but it could do with a few more regulations, we have plenty of financial cowboys and outright crooks in the system). Our government adopted a Keynesian stance when it came to protecting the economy after the GFC and its policies worked. This is the difference between the US and Australia in economic thinking. We are less ideological when it comes to the economy. The US is either captive to the neoliberals or has been blind-sided by Friedmanite propaganda (just a question, does anyone studying economics in a US university get a deep examination of Keynesianism?).

Throw in the disastrous Bush-Cheney regime and its adventures in Iraq and to a lesser extent in Afghanistan and you can see why, with the aforementioned influence of the Neoliberals, the US economy went tits up.

No point in blaming Obama, who is doing his best to salvage the US economy and keep it capitalistic, he's no socialist and the Democratic Party are no socialists either.

 

Thanks for setting us straight about our own country.

I suppose we could learn a lot from the know-it-all Aussies if we would just listen.

The only hope for liberalism and the march toward socialism is to dumb down the expectations of Americans so that they don't notice what a lousy president Obama is.

But I guess he looks better to the clowns down under who don't actually live here.

 

their whole problem began when a second rate mediocrity named Reagan said "government is the problem" and too many folks fell for it.

 

Happy to help. Now before you get even more sooky about someone daring to comment from outside the US think about the title and intent of the thread. It's about 12% unemployment in "Europe" and live with your hypocrisy.

I'm not a know-it-all either, just a know-enough and not blinded by partisan crap floating in my eyes and brain.

I, like others, am not anti-American, although I have been accused of it. If I were I'd be heartily recommending a GOP President and total control of Congress by the GOP to ensure that America destroyed itself. While that might appeal to some juvenile and unformed minds, it doesn't appeal to me - I'm a pragmatist above all else.

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Ah Reaganomics, the gift to satire that just keeps on giving.

 

Socialism tends to only work in a homogenous society.

As Europe has brought in more and more earthy invaders, their unemployment rate has gone up.

And now that all the natives see they are paying for their own displacement, they ain't happy about it.


Or you could just repeat what Angela merkel said "multiculturalism has failed"


And to give a glimpse of America's socialist future, think about a population of working Hispanics paying for the healthcare of an aging white population...

What's Spanish for "pull the plug"?

 

Not blinded by partisan crap?

You're full of partisan crap as are most of the Obama worshipers here and overseas.

Americans used to have higher expectations than the Euro's or the Aussies but since Obama came along the libs have been trying to change that.

I think the ineffectiveness of Obama is his greatest appeal to Euro's and others who have always been jealous of the wealth in America compared to themselves.

 

Yup. Your link confirms what I said. That it projects SNAP usage to go down is a joke. In 2009, the CBO projected that the deficit would be down to $600B now too. How'd that work out ?

 

The wealth in America is contained in very few hands. But that's your country's business. As for my envy - zero.

 

Without a doubt, the most uninformed non-sensicle post that I have read today. Crowd agrees.

 

No, it does not confirm what I bolded in your previous post, it refutes it. What information do you have that is better than the CBOs, and that refutes their projection?

 

Socialism works regardless of the composition of a society, in fact it overcomes the inherent unfairness in any society that is based on competition between individuals.

The problem here is the view of “Europe” as some sort of single unit. It isn't. It is extremely diverse.

What we are seeing here is economic Europe which is an artificial construct.

But that aside for the moment, when Europe become one economic zone it allowed the free traffic of people within its borders. That meant that countries effectively lost control over their labour markets.

In theory I suppose people will go where the jobs are, but if there are no jobs when they get there how do they deal with it? Some will go home, some will prop and some may move on to other areas looking for work.

The problems in the broken capitalist economies are not caused by unemployment, unemployment is the outcome of a broken capitalist economy. I don't remember the statistics for Europe pre-GFC but I would suspect they weren't too bad. The GFC broke economies.

It's a bit rich for Merkel to be banging on about multiculturalism. Germany was happy to import guest-workers (one of the finest spinoffs from that policy was the British television series
Auf Wiedersehen, Pet ) when its economy needed them. While the work was there they could allow temporary workers in. But when those temporary workers gained the right to stay in Germany that created all sorts of issues for Germany post-GFC.

Your dystopic vision for America can certainly come about if the current neoliberal policies are continued. In a socialist economy what you have described simply can't occur.

 

Many European nations are envious of the US economy these days, it's true.

As Fox Business News reports,

Who can forget Willard Romney's New York Times column, "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" or his desperate false alarm concening Chrysler sending Jeep manufacturing jobs to China. In fact, Chrysler not only sent no American jobs anywhere, it added jobs in the United States, including more than 1,100 new jobs for a second shift at Toledo, Ohio, where a next-generation Jeep SUV is being manufactured!

 

As is already documented, the CBO has been grossly wrong on all Obama projections. Unemployment. Deficits. Obamacare. Just to name a few. But more to the point, there is no way in Hell that Obama is going to have those on the gubmit teat get off it. Oh Hell no !

But whatever floats that liberal boat.

 

so? you don't have anything?

 

That's because a liberal's idea of compromise means "do what we want and we might toss you a bone later".

 

But how is that any different than when the roles were reversed?

 

Then they'll hurt their backs carrying those heavy signs and get signed up for eternal disability.

 

LOL .... such a liberal. I have that SNAP has gone from 30 million to 48 million under Obama. I have liberals pretending that things are getting better.