A question for 'Trayvon supporters'

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Troianii, Jul 1, 2013.

  1. bwk

    bwk Well-Known Member

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    I'm white, and believe me, it is pitiful, and it is true. I was brought up in the deep south. Boy howdy at the stories I could tell. If you think we are in a post racial south, you most definitely do not live in the south. The Bible belt south. The best place in America to hate blacks, while hiding that hate behind the Bible.
     
  2. Johnny-C

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    I know man. Funny as it sounds to say, I have MANY White friends. :) They make it clear to me, that many evil-hearted White Americans have not allowed themselves to 'change'.

    None of that is to say that Black people cannot be racists also. But I invite ANYONE to try and calmly think-out (to the end) why they are racist or bigoted. A lot of people need to do that and try to change it. The nation as a whole will be better-off in the most significant ways, if we PUT DOWN RACISM.

    For those who are believers:

    How can you think/believe that the God of the Bible would condone abject, blind and ignorant hatred??!! I mean, wouldn't Jesus give that a MASSIVE THUMBS-DOWN???!!! (Come on.)

    And if nothing else, you cannot embrace such evil and expect the Spirit to be with you in the same. Jesus is going to step to the side and weep as he watches you go against one of His greatest Commandments (to love others as you yourself have been loved).

    Folks, this is all so obvious... yet we have people so worried about "gays" and "Muslims"... etc. If those who believe in Jesus don't think He'll let God burn it all down because "love" isn't a part of it... then they really should think a bit harder.

    And for those who don't believe, the reality is that whatever Black people and other minorities feel, whatever makes them stumble, also causes the 'majority' to do so. Please, learn to SEE that. It is right there in front of you.
     
  3. STRANGEVISITOR72

    STRANGEVISITOR72 New Member

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    Like I've said to you before on this subject of Black vs Hispanic that you like to foment/promote. If such a phenomena is occurring at the level you describe the National Guard would be there. That's the oldest strategy and the educated people here won't fall for it,GDAY!!!
     
  4. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its also the perfect phrase for a sore loser after a ball game. Still no relevance. You're grasping for straws and its pathetic. Make a real argument.
     
  5. RiseAgainst

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    So the national guard is racist?

    Blacks kill each other and the national guard goes to masturbate. But as soon as other races do the same all of a sudden they need to take action.

    Progressive-Leftists are the most contemptible, hypocritical people that exist on earth.
     
  6. STRANGEVISITOR72

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    If you wouldn't use such words as purify and ethnic cleansing to describe what you believe to be happening then perhaps someone would entertain your premise. Such hyperbole is a non starter in true discourse.
     
  7. bwk

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    That it is. You just said what I've known since I was little. They play the hate and the Jesus game all at the same time as if they can have it both ways. It's all about being in good with God and the Devil for them. I don't hold out a lot of hope for that to change either.
     
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    Except the ball player isn't running around mad with a gun.
     
  9. bwk

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    He has a funny way of not following him when they just happened to be face to face.
     
  10. Johnny-C

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    Well, our awesomely decent and positive exchange tonight, has convinced me to try to do a better job of communicating here. I know that I cannot change the hardened evil-doers, only those wise enough to see/embrace the value of loving others. So, I suppose I need to encourage those people, first and foremost.

    Thank you. :)
     
  11. bwk

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    Apparently he did.
     
  12. Johnny-C

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    You know, I wonder if the prosecution has a 'map' that shows the paths that Zimmerman and Martin's phones were taking that night? I think that could be something we might not know about?
     
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    Keeping that hate legacy alive I see.
     
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    Martin assaulted himself then?
     
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    If Zimmerman had done what a reasonable person would do, ie. just kept on driving, there would have been no confrontation.

    If he had acted like an overzealous neighborhood watch volunteer and called 911 and reported Martin, and stayed in his truck and observed, there would have been no confrontation.

    But he did neither.

    What he did was incredibly stupid.

    Martin was doing nothing that any reasonable person could construe as suspicious.

    But Zimmerman, following him around at night, now that was suspicious.

    If anyone had a right to self defense that night, it was Martin.
     
  17. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, Zimmerman was running around madly with guns a blazing, yet somehow got suckerpunched, had his face bashed in, his head smacked on the ground, and then he pulled his blazing gun back out of his pocket, which he of course put away after being punched the first time, and *then* shot Martin.

    You're not even worth my time.

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    you didn't answer the question (Johnny of course likes that). could you please answer the question?
     
  18. bwk

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    Absolutely! You appear to be one who could get it done. I'm saddened by all this White Nationalist nonsense that poisons the water. You can keep sending the message, and I encourage and embrace it with you, but in the end, it has to come from them. They have to want to. God made all of us. I seriously doubt Our God wanted one race to be purified and the other races to be cast into the sea forever. This is a test of our resolve. And I hope we wade out of it with wisdom, love, and tolerance for each other. But making a deal with the devil by using the cover of a Bible, isn't a good way to start. Unfortunately, that is what is going on. And particularly in the deep south.
     
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    I'm not so inclined, but thanks for asking.
     
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    I think when this trial is over there is going to be a lot we will never know, unfortunately. But yes, that is something they should explore.
     
  22. Wehrwolfen

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    If you understand the law as I do. Deadly self defense can be used when someone is in fear of his/her life being taken by an aggressor. As in this case, Martin physically assaulted Zimmerman and after hitting him and breaking his nose, pounded his head into the concrete walk at least twice. The physical attack by Martin would constitute the victim fearing for his life. BTW this is not a black on white crime. it's a black on brown crime.
     
  23. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you would say that an individual has the right to *deadly* self-defense when in fear for their life. Seems to me what the law says.

    btw, this question wasn't in reference to the law, but personal opinions.
     
  24. bwk

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    What a shallow assessment you make of what happened. Did it ever occur to you that maybe Zimmerman had lunged at Martin first to subdue him, but failed, lost his footing and ended up on the ground, thereby giving Martin the advantage? I'm not saying that happened. But it easily could have. Try and keep in mind who was the original aggressor here with a gun at night, and, on top of that, it was wet. You know what can easily happen at night when it is wet right? People slip. So, the wet weather could have easily played a huge factor when these two met up in the dark.

    Seeing that you understand the law and everything, I'm glad you are keeping a neutral stance in this case. :roll:
     
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    IMHO, I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.
     

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