As Christianity wanes, immoral behavior increases

As Christianity wanes in influence, we are seeing an increase in immoral behavior. At some point, there will be a tipping point, and civilization will not be sustainable.

There is only so much immoral behavior that a society can withstand before the foundation crumbles, and all of society collapses with it.

Atheists, who lead the assault on Christianity, offer no alternative moral structure that would preserve and protect Western civilization from collapse.

I see the entire thing collapsing within the next 50 years or so, no longer.

After that, all of Western civilization will resemble Detroit.

 

I'd rather live in Detroit than John Calvin's decidedly Christian theocracy in the 16th century. Anyone who thinks that we're currently living in a society that is morally inferior to the societies of the 1950s and earlier are ignorant of history and how brutal things were in many Christian societies of the past.

 

My God.. you need a history lesson.

 

Why don't you give me a history lesson then, if you can?

Because otherwise your post is pretty much a pointless exercise in pointlessness.

And really, you shouldn't take the Lord's name in vain.

 

Corrupt clergy, massacres, persecutions....

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Corrupt clergy, massacres, persecutions....

 

The fifties were worse for you if you were gay or a minority but so much better for everyone else in every single way. Well, perhaps women have much more freedom now but it's too bad that, in retrospect, we had a perfectly functioning
libertarian society in most ways and the more we try to install a progressive vision for humanity the more restrictive and authoritarian it becomes.

 

So, as long as you overlook the little things like lynchings, essentially legal rape, the use of the US military to overthrow the will of the people in foreign nations (especially in Central and South America) in order to benefit US corporations, and the enforcement of conformity on nearly everyone, it was a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) idealistic utopia!

Also, somehow, it was a libertarian lovefest, despite 90% taxes on the wealthiest members of society, the expansion of government programs that would be impossible today (yeah, try to recreate something of the size and scale of the original Eisenhower highway system today) and having a president say, outright, that spending more money on the military is stealing money from the impoverished and will eventually end with humanity crucified on a cross of iron and see how well that works out.

By the by, "Leave it to Beaver" is not a history documentary.

 

And we have all of that now.

But the massacres and persecutions under atheistic Communism far exceed anything that happened during the Middle Ages.

It's like comparing the fire in one fireplace to a blazing forest fire that consumes everything in its path.

And the massacres and persecutions to come will be worse.

 

Yes, but for all of that, people were happier during the 1950's than they are today.

Most married couples stayed together, and worked things out.

Girls were expected to save themselves for marriage, and many did.

The vast majority of babies were born to married people.

Women weren't tossed around from one guy to the next like sex objects.

In many ways, it was a better world.

Even the blacks, for all their problems, were better off in the 1950's than they are now.

Most of them had jobs, intact families, and some of them owned their own businesses and catered to their own.

And you didn't see all the drugs and crime and irresponsible sex with blacks that you do today.

 

Proportionately, most pre-industrial religious massacres were far, far worse. The Thirty Years' War in the Holy Roman Empire killed, for instance, nearly as many people as the Holodomor, yet, it was back when the world population was roughly a tenth of what it was during the Holodomor.

 

Mexico is 98% Christians, seems the more Christian a nation is the worse off it is...

maybe republicans could take over Mexico, they only need two more percent to make it 100%

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Unless you weren't a WASP. :v

That's because divorce was stigmatized beyond all belief and women were blamed for all domestic problems, including when their husbands beat them.

Then why were there more teen pregnancies in the 1950s than today?

That's probably because having sex outside of marriage isn't stigmatized like it used to be and people aren't forced into marriage with people they don't necessarily want to be married to.

Women today have far more agency than they did in the1950s. Going to college is normal for women, and living as independent people who make their own decisions is normal, as opposed to being a housewife who must submit to their husband's every whim. Including spousal rape and domestic abuse.

No, not really. At all.

HOLY (*)(*)(*)(*), WHAT THE (*)(*)(*)(*) ARE YOU SMOKING?

No, literal lynch mobs, being disenfranchised, and segregated were not better than where they are now.

Over 85% of black people are employed these days, and the grand majority of them can vote. Things certainly aren't perfect, but even racist (*)(*)(*)(*)heads can't deny them loans, jobs, or the like on the sole, explicit basis of "because this person is black". It can be an implicit, unsaid reason, which is terrible, but it is at least marginally better than being beaten for not looking down and not saying "sir" to a white person.

LOL, considering that's been a charge leveled at black people since the end of the Civil War.

 

The reason belief in God doesn't do the Mexicans any good is because they don't fear hell. Studies have shown that fear of hell is the number one motivator to ethical behavior in a society. In countries where fear of hell is high, like Denmark, there is almost no corruption.

In Mexico, and other Hispanic countries, the people believe in a merciful God who would never send anyone to hell. That is why Christianity doesn't make these countries less corrupt.

And there is a tendency for Protestant countries to be less corrupt than Catholic countries, since the Protestant god is far less forgiving.

I think Ireland would be an exception to that. The Irish are very much afraid of hell.

 

No, black people are definitely far worse off today than they were in the 1950's. They were better off when the Democrats were persecuting them, then now when Democrats corrupt them with welfare to get their votes.

 

Yes, because lynching, being killed for trying to vote, and being second-class citizens are far superior to making sure basic necessities like food and medical care are provided to impoverished people.

 

All the black people ever lynched by the KKK in nearly 100 years is like three days of how many black babies are killed in abortions.

 

The Civil Rights movement took hold in the '50s.
Nearly the last known lynching in America occurred in Mississippi in 1955 and it so outraged the nation that was just about the last of it's kind. Nationwide there were only ten lynchings the entire decade of the fifties (two of those white). Somehow I doubt you knew any of this.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingyear.html

Sure.

Progressives say this is still going on in the Middle East. In any event this had no impact on how people lived in America, then or now.

As opposed to the dystopic
balkanized nation we see now? You're damned right.

Sounds wonderful compared to what we have today.
Let me know how that whole "government runs out of money" things works out for you.

I was there. I know.

 

You really need to do some research before making things up.

About 72% of Denmark's population say they don't believe in any form of god.

 

That depends on how you define morality.
If your morality is measured by adherence to Christian dogma, then you're right.

If your morality is measured by anything other than adherence to Christian dogma, then you'd have to admit that Tibet disproves your theory.

 

So your assertion is that people who need the bribe of heaven or the threat of Hell in order to be bullied into behaving themselves are those who deserve an eternal reward; but people who behave themselves simply because they are legitimately good people are sent to Hell...

Nice.

 

Yes luckily we have centuries of warfare religious persicution racisme bigotry and child abuse all done by or in the name of religion to show us how its done . Who doesnt want to return to the 1940's when people still believed intonsomething he ?


At some point, there will be a tipping point, and civilization will not be sustainable.

There is only so much immoral behavior that a society can withstand before the foundation crumbles, and all of society collapses with it.

Atheists, who lead the assault on Christianity, offer no alternative moral structure that would preserve and protect Western civilization from collapse.

I see the entire thing collapsing within the next 50 years or so, no longer.

After that, all of Western civilization will resemble Detroit.[/QUOTE]




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the hell they were.

because of ridiculous divorce laws.

not even remotely close to the majority of girls.

or unwed preggers left town or suddenly aunt susie in the next town had another kid,

nah, they were literally tossed around by their husbands since domestic violence didn't exist in the 50's. And woman were as much sex objects then as they are now. the difference today? empowered women showing way more skin.

If you think ignorance and living with the threat of a spontaneous nuclear war was better.

you seriously can't believe that.

welcome to fantasy island. jim crow, lousy schools, living onthe fringes, working as virtual slaves. Boy you got a real handle on the past.

Have you examined crime figures by race from the 50's? and as for irresponsible sex..... the topper of a post filled with idiotic racist remarks.

 

This thread reminds me a lot of OverDrive's thread about incivility in Sweden. Like that thread, you make a wide, sweeping statement about how the decline of Christianity is leading to society's downfall, and then proceed to provide no evidence for those claims - hell, you don't even define "immoral behavior". Like, is gay sex immoral? I wouldn't know, you didn't define your terms adequately. Meanwhile, crime is down in most western countries (way down in many cases). So are abortions. So what, exactly, were you talking about when you said "immoral behavior", and why should I care?

Then I'm sure you'll have no trouble providing it. Sure, I found it, but it would have been nice if I didn't have to go hunting for every statement you make.

Is this the same Denmark where less than a third of the people actually believe in any god whatsoever? And surveys showed that about 10% believe in hell? Where do you get these ideas? Or did you just make that up in the hopes that nobody would check it?

Same study as before puts Mexico at 71% of people believing in a hell. What else ya got?

Okay, so how do I know that this is accurate, after you completely pulled the last two statements out of your ass? Please, provide a citation. Demonstrate your claim. If you don't, I'm going to call a mod up and invoke rule 10 of the code of conduct.

Same study as before: 50%. As in, less than Mexico or the USA. Where the hell are you getting your information? I mean, my study could be wrong, or outdated, and maybe your information is correct. I wouldn't know, you haven't provided any sources.

 

I was under the impression all Christians believe in the same god.

Or do Catholics have a different god?


I'm confused!

 

Even if it were true, and I don't agree that it is, remember that correlation is not causation.

When ice cream sales go up, more people are attacked by sharks. Do ice cream sales cause shark attacks? Or are they two separate things which just happen to be influenced by warm weather?

Hidden variables are certainly at work.