Israel forced to apologise over offensive Hiroshima comments

What seems extraordinary is that Seaman could have been "head of online public diplomacy" for Israel. Does such a person post undiplomatic statements on Facebook?

Every nation sanitizes and improves its history. It's a matter of national self-esteem for people who weren't even born when the horrors occurred. Every nation has committed grave sins. If you think not, it's only because you don't know enough history. The human race is aggressive and cruel at the same time that it craves peace and love. That's because the aggressive and cruel peoples are most likely to survive and to command resources. Had there ever been a truly pacific people, they would long ago have been swallowed. In this regard, people are just like the other animals. We fight for food and territory and for reproductive privileges. This fuss about Japan and its past, going on as it has for decades, seems to me a matter of posturing by Japan and its critics. They all want to feel moral, perhaps because their reality is so amoral.

 

Now after reading the above I am FULLY convinced you know little about history even concerning the subjects you are so keen to criticize! Your American poster was RIGHT. And the fact that you were so smug of your hear-say sources, or your handlers (the anti-west propagandists) that you didn’t even do a simple search engine search tells me even more about why the USA and our Christians (the USA being from 70 to 85% Christian depending on which poll you believe) are hated by propaganda vessels*. Sadly many who are ‘blank slate’ hateful dummies and ignoramuses, ripe to be programmed by the truly evil powers that operate in the world** today. Am I speaking about YOU? Only you can answer that my friend. If you change and learn the truth and then relate the truth to others no that description NOT you. Pull up the examples or do a search yourself.

Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Initially they were not severely persecuted by the Inquisition, but experienced a ...



HowStuffWorks "How the Spanish Inquisition Worked"
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So now you stand CORRECTED again...

Lol so much talk so little to no sources. You have no sources because you are again, of course, WRONG. But probably, hopefully you are misreading the historical account of Hitler’s ambitions wrong if its possible to be that wrong due to misreading. Hitler claimed to want peace but why after he began THE WAR? No what he really wanted was to destroy france and yes he did want the land back his nation lost in war. Again you are sorely lacking Hitler was steamed for the perceived degradation Germany suffered at the hands of the French. Read and learn;

[PDF]
THE DEVIL IN FRANCE - University of Southern California
www.usc.edu/libraries/about/programs.../DevilinFranceLibrary.pdfFeuchtwanger, who escaped his native Germany after Adolf Hitler rose to power
in 1933. .... on his hands to observe and contemplate humanity in all its forms.

however the man did not want peace by any means. And as time progressed his expansionists ambitions became greater. He was a master of bait and switch, heck ask Chamberlain if I am not telling you the truth. In fact your trust of hitler is so similar to Chamberlain’s

Yes, even most third graders know that. So what? At the time they were fighting AND LOSING the USSR. We helped them, and got stabbed in the back for our help. Typical rMuslim satanic BS. Also I have said MANY MANY MANY TIMES, I AM A FAN OF NO GOVERNMENTS. INCLUDING MY OWN (the government of) THE USA !!!!!!! I do feel the USA government even though a ghost of the nation our founding fathers envisioned still it is lesser evil of most governments of the world.

Yes and? Man not only does your history knowledge seem to be lacking even the basics, so goes your reading comprehension. I was using Stalin as an example of a murderous dictator, a tryant that exterminated anyone and everyone that seemed a threat. Thats all. Do you get it now? If you muster a reply PLEASE do a search engine review so as not to cause me to have to correct so much material. If the usual suspects (you?) would come to the truth instead of desperately holding on to the lie told to them (you?) by the true evil in this and other worlds USA/West haters the truth will set you free. Otherwise you will remain a prisoner, no more than slave labor parroting the Lie of the west being the most evil force on earth and other anti-west lies that your handlers demand you tell. The Usual suspects (YOU?) are all league with the devil both figuratively and literally. Freedom and truth are easy to be had but let me tell all my brothers and sisters you will not be popular nor will you be friends of the world, but you will be free and that in and of itself is worth it.


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Another great post, thanks for spreading truth instead of lies~

reva

 

I think it's the civilian death during the bombing that does the hurting,
if only military souls did perish, then it's not actually an issue.They were on a state of war and soldiers do die.

 

Unmitigated nonsense, one needs look no further than Mein Kampf to prove this assertion as an overt lie:


Therefore we National Socialists have purposely drawn a line through the line of conduct followed by pre-War Germany in foreign policy. We put an end to the perpetual Germanic march towards the South and West of Europe and turn our eyes towards the lands of the East. We finally put a stop to the colonial and trade policy of pre-War times and pass over to the territorial policy of the future.

But when we speak of new territory in Europe to-day we must principally think of Russia and the border States subject to her.

This colossal Empire in the East is ripe for dissolution. And the end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a State. We are chosen by Destiny to be the witnesses of a catastrophe which will afford the strongest confirmation of the nationalist theory of race.

But it is our task, and it is the mission of the National Socialist Movement, to develop in our people that political mentality which will enable them to realize that the aim which they must set to themselves for the fulfilment of their future must not be some wildly enthusiastic adventure in the footsteps of Alexander the Great but industrious labour with the German plough, for which the German sword will provide the soil.


http://greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

Utter nonsense, the Taliban did not even exist during the Soviet-Afghan war.

If you recall (which I'm sure you do not) Hitler and Stalin were allies at the onset of the war through the secret protocol of the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact which carved up Eastern Europe between the Soviet Union and the Reich culminating in the initiation of WW2 with the joint Soviet/Reich invasion of Poland. This alliance only ended when Hitler in yet another unprovoked act of aggression invaded the Soviet Union under Operation Barbarossa.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1939pact.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa

 

Moi621, I presume that you are referring to the ‘original’ situation, i.e. around the end of WW1, because since then as I am sure you are aware, there have been some forced movements which have distorted the picture. So I will attempt to answer your questions in that context.

There are a few basic demographic differences between Palestine and Jordan, differences which MGB Roadster and others are aware of but do not want to fully internalise. It is these differences which (along with some other conveniences) largely caused the British to apply for League of Nations approval to excise Trans-Jordan from the Mandate for Palestine. The main ones are as follows:

a) Geographical reasons which had an important influence on the reasons which follow – namely that (except for a thin strip in the West) Jordan is a highland plateau reaching almost 900 metres in elevation which from there extends north to Syria, south-west into Sinai, and south-east along southern Saudi Arabia. It is also considerably drier than Palestine which forms part of the moist coastal strip stretching from Gaza all the way into Turkey



b) The Bedouin were then mainly nomadic herders, occupying those dry areas in Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Negev desert of Israel. In earlier times they were the main people of what is now Jordan. Camels were a valued possession. The term 'Bedu'in the Arabic language refers to one who lives out in the open, in the desert. The Arabic word 'Badawiyin' is a generic name for a desert-dweller - http://www.bedawi.com/Bedouin_Culture_EN.html

c) In contrast the Palestinians were traditionally herders of sheep and goats and later became agriculturalists. The areas occupied by the Bedouin were not suitable for such traditions and lifestyles. They needed the moister coastal strip and adjacent low highlands (up to 400 metres) of the area west of the Jordan river.

d) The Bedouin are seen as Arab culture’s purest representatives and the Bedouin continue to be hailed by other Arabs as “ideal” Arabs. The Palestinians are descendants from the Canaanites and coastal sea-people (as are the Jews). This difference shows up in their DNA patterns, with the Bedouin retaining the highest values of any race in certain J-haplotypes (J1 and also J-P58 ), distinct from that of the other people of the Middle East.

So with this background, on to your questions:

1) Different Arab Tribes ?
No, the Palestinians are not genetically true Arabs like the Bedouin. They are called ‘Arabs’ today, not because of their ancestry, but because with the Arab invasion and Islamisation wave of the 7th C, Jews and Christians in Palestine converted their religion (and with time, their language) to that of the true Arabs from the Hejaz. These are the Palestinians; Arabs only in a restricted sense, just like the Berbers of NW Africa.

As with most peoples at a major geographical crossroads there has been a certain degree of hybridisation, but the genetic origins are still strong enough to show through, just like those of the Mizrahim Jews from Iraq, Syria, Bahrain, and Azerbaijan. The Ashkenazim on the other hand have undergone considerably more hydridisation with strong southern Mediterranean, Khazarian and some northern European influences

2) Different religions?
Yes, but only in a limited sense. The vast majority of Bedouin are Sunni Muslims. So are the Palestinians, but there was a significant minority of Palestinian Christians at the time, plus a representation of Shia in the form of the Druze.

3) Different as both are from Syrians or Egyptians, culturally and physically?
The Palestinians have a far closer genetic and cultural relationship to the Syrians than to the Bedouin, given the factors outlined in a). The Bedouin in Egypt reside mostly in Sinai, and both they and the Palestinians have notable social and cultural differences from the ‘African’ Egyptians, one of the main ones being the lack of Coptic Christians who are distinct both religiously and (originally) linguistically.

So, in summary the Palestinians are far closer to the Syrians than to the Bedouin.

I hope that answers your query in a modest way.

 

Protesters ok but their name was not Protestant in the 15th century. By calling them Protestant you completely change the flavor of History. The Christians were both Gnostic therefore in actual fact pagan and of course our famous Martyrs. The History books don't tell of the real Christians the Gnostics do they. I wonder why?

Protestants my foot .................. Oh how I hate literalist Christianity it has almost completely destroyed our spirituality and our truths. turning everything inside out. fundimentalism usurping our temples.

 

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people
Doron M. Behar1,2*, Bayazit Yunusbayev2,3*, Mait Metspalu2*, Ene Metspalu2, Saharon Rosset4, Ju¨ri Parik2,
Siiri Rootsi2, Gyaneshwer Chaubey2, Ildus Kutuev2,3, Guennady Yudkovsky1,5, Elza K. Khusnutdinova3,
Oleg Balanovsky6, Ornella Semino7, Luisa Pereira8,9, David Comas10, David Gurwitz11, Batsheva Bonne-Tamir11,
Tudor Parfitt12, Michael F. Hammer13, Karl Skorecki1,5 & Richard Villems2


Populations of the Caucasus, flanked by Cypriots, form an almost uninterrupted rim that separates the bulk of Europeans from Middle Eastern populations. Bedouins, Jordanians, Palestinians and Saudi Arabians are located in close proximity to each other, which is consistent with a common origin in the Arabian Peninsula25,


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...MK7x7gCdz_nac20ihIKaOEw&bvm=bv.49784469,d.eWU

The Khazar conspiracy theories have been thoroughly debunked, 80% of Jewish males and 50% of Jewish females can trace their lineage directly to a core population in the neolithic Levant.

1. Atzmon G, Hao L, Pe'er I, Velez C, Pearlman A, Palamara PF, Morrow B, Friedman E, Oddoux C, Burns E, Ostrer H. "Abraham's children in the genome era: major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." American Journal of Human Genetics 2010;86(6):850-859, doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015.

2. Behar DM, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, Parik J, Rootsi S, Chaubey G, Kutuev I, Yudkovsky G, Khusnutdinova EK, Balanovsky O, Semino O, Pereira L, Comas D, Gurwitz D, Bonne-Tamir B, Parfitt T, Hammer MF, Skorecki K, Villems R. "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature 2010;466:238-242, doi:10.1038/nature09103.

The competing Rhineland and Khazarian theories were most recently discussed by Ostrer in two studies published in 2012 and in his well received book, Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People. He found that geographically and culturally distant Jews still have more genes in common than they do with non-Jews around them, and that those genes can be traced back to the Levant, an area including modern-day Israel. “All European [Ashkenazi] Jews seem connected on the order of fourth or fifth cousins, Ostrer has said.

The concept of the “Jewish people” remains controversial. The Law of Return, the Israeli law that established the right of Jews around the world to settle in Israel and which remains in force today, was a central tenet of Zionism. The DNA that links Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi, three prominent culturally and geographically distinct Jewish groups, could conceivably be used to support Zionist territorial claims —except, as Ostrer has pointed out, some of the same markers can be found in Palestinians, distant genetic cousins of the Jews, as well. Palestinians, understandably, want their own ‘right of return’.

That disagreement over the interpretations of Middle Eastern DNA also pits Jewish traditionalists against a particular strain of secular Jewish ultra-liberals who have joined with anti-Israeli Arabs and many non-Jews to argue for an end to Israel as a Jewish nation. Their hero is the Austrian-born Shlomo Sand—and now Elhaik. His study gained buzz in neo-Nazi websites and radical anti-Israeli and more radical pro-Palestinian blogs. For example, the notorious former Ku Klux Klansman David Duke actually attacked Elhaik in his latest anti-Jewish rant—Duke’s anti-Semitic beliefs hang on the fact that Jews are genetically cohesive and conspiratorial. “The disruptive and conflict-ridden behavior which has marked out Jewish Supremacist activities through the millennia strongly suggests that Jews have remained more or less genetically uniform and have … developed a group evolutionary survival strategy based on a common biological unity — something which strongly militates against the Khazar theory,” Duke wrote in his blog in February.

While Elhaik’s work has provided ideological support for those seeking the destruction of Israel, it’s fallen flat among established scientists, who peer reviewed his work and found it sloppy at best and political at worst.

“He’s just wrong,” said Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, a leading researcher in Jewish genetics. “If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,” he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper “is sort of a one-off.”

“It’s an unrealistic premise,” said University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer, one of the world’s top Y-chromosomal researchers.

Discover’s Razib Khan did a textured critique in his Gene Expression blog, noting the study’s historical fuzziness and its selective use of data to come up with what seems like a pre-cooked conclusion. As Razib writes, it’s hardly surprising that we would find a small but sizable Khazarian contribution to the “Jewish gene pool”. In fact the male line of my own family traces to the Caucuses, suggesting I’m one of the 20 percent or so of Jews whose lineage traces to converted royal Khazarians. But that view is widely acknowledged by Ostrer, Hammer, Feldman, Michael Thomas and every major researcher in this area—as summarized in my book, Abraham’s Children: Race, Identity and the DNA of the Chosen People.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonenti...l-calls-those-who-disagree-nazi-sympathizers/

Further down in the same article, Haaretz at least mentions that there is another side to what genetics tell us about the origins of European Jews. It refers to the work of Professor Harry Ostrer, who is the author of "The Genetic History of the Jews," a new book also published this year by Oxford University Press. Looking at his credentials, his work should have been at the top of the story. Ostrer served as the director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, where he worked for more than two decades. Today he is head of genetic testing at Albert Einstein College of Medicine. Unlike Elhaik, he does not accept the argument that European Jewry comes from Central Asia but rather he says that Jews around the world can trace their genetic history to the Middle East 2,000 years ago.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=3131

Ostrer, Harry. Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People, Oxford University Press, 2012 http://books.google.com.au/books?id=RayZR3V1SFwC&pg=PA26#v=onepage&q&f=false

Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.


Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes


...the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews. According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed inPalestinians and Bedouin... The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.


The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East

Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium.


The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder
Event

DNA Evidence

Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.

A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[50] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[51]

A 2001 study by Nebel et al. found Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (called Eu 19 in the paper), which are very frequent in Eastern European populations (54%-60%), at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow into Ashkenazi populations from surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the Ashkenazi Jews in Haplogroup R1a, and to a greater extent all Eastern European populations in general, might have some partial Khazar ancestry.[52]

A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that "it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father." They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a "a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status", and that an alternate "attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century." They concluded that "Although neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."[53]

A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]

A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."[55]


Genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jewery

 

You say nonsense and I re say nonsense and so we go on ................

You take things out of context and twist and turn truths and call it debunking. It isn't it is twisting the knots into holes they don't fit into.....what we want is to look at what really happened and make sense out of it all .......................... but block block blockers of truth keep on building the bricks of fabrication and patching the gaps. One day we shall blow your house down really we shall

 

I am a Pacifist, I don't believe in War and I know I would not have liked aspects of Fascism then as I do not now, others mmmm they are worth looking at, but looking at it objectively and without prejudice who was the enemy if not the Soviet Union and Communism as it was falsely named ? So why did we fight against the one who alone was fighting the Soviets? It was senseless .......worse, it was suicide for Europe as had been WWI. The World shall never recover from either and the same idiotic wickedness is being used in the ME turning peoples against each other.


And actually since I have banished and cleared many of the prejudices which were ingrained in me since childhood. I have got to quite like Hitler he was quite amusing and on many levels a kind man. Not saying I liked all of his ways I don't but he was good for Germany in the 30s and he did love his country and they it seems loved him.

 

Ya um please tell how I took the explicit and direct call for military territorial conquest in the East specially Russia and her client states (as listed by name) made by Hitler in Mein Kampf "out of context," please do elaborate.

Tell me how I "twisted" the truth of the secret protocol of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact and the alliance between Stalin and Hitler? Please do inform the forum, inquiring minds want to know.

As per usual you have no rebuttal to the incontrovertible evidence that your claims are overt bull(*)(*)(*)(*) except to pretend that the facts put right in front of your face don't exist.

And this is what passes for a rebuttal to primary sources and historical facts in the world of the holocaust denying, anti-Semitic, Hitler apologist and supporter. Touche.

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A pacifist holocaust denier who is openly advocating that the Allies should have fought alongside Hitler. I was born at night but not last night.

You mean the one who allied with the Soviets under the secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and jointly invaded Poland with Stalin and did not break that alliance until late June of '41 in his unprovoked invasion of the Soviet Union in Operation Barbarossa nearly two years after he started the war jointly with Stalin in an overt act of military aggression and conquest? Ya that's what I thought you meant.

 

Sorry, but this is absurd. It was Germany's attack and invasion of Poland which eventually triggered Britain's declaration of war. I had family who were in Poland at the time-my parents, now dead, witnessed the invasion.
So, please tell us your version of events. I can't wait.

 

Was that reason enough ? I don't think so. I had friends who were not on the right side of the Reich too and I am not a fan either but War? Nah it wasn't reason enough ................. Some of my family were lost in the War but even so I heard men who had fought talk about it in far more open and honest debate than we seem to be able to now a days. But then they had known Europe and the World as it is denied us because of the two Wars.

There is a newish book which I haven't got but is on one of my many lists, by a young Historian of the choices we could have made other than the ones we did. When I remember it I shall post it.

 

Again with the idiotic revisionism! Of course Hitler wanted war; we have dozens of his megalomaniacal warmongering speeches on record, stating exactly that. Early on he made overtures to Britain, seeking our alliance, which were so patently transparent in their attempts at manipulation that anyone with any sense would have seen right through them. Eventually his duplicity and treachery were made plain to all; his reneging on the non-aggression pact with Stalin and Germany's subsequent invasion of Soviet Russia (Operation Barbarossa), being just one example. Yes, Versailles was probably unnecessarily onerous and vengeful, and there's little doubt that this was a major factor in Hitler's need for revenge, his secret building-up of his armed forces between the wars in contravention of Versailles, but to suggest that it was anyone other than Hitler who initiated the war of aggression is pure fantasy.

 

I don't agree that it is pure fantasy to say that Hitler was the only aggressor, I think we should re look at it all, I used to think what is the point in that but the point is that we are doing the same thing over and over again so really should go back a re look at things ................. I do not really advocate anything, I am though playing Devils advocate.

And as for people going back on their words ..we are all guilty of that.

 

That started long before Obama. You might want to ask yourself exactly why your previous 'allies' are abandoning you. Couldn't possibly be because of your hypocritical and aggressive foreign policy, could it? See, in order to have friends and allies you need to invest them with the trust that true friends and allies have for one another. America can no longer be trusted, and it can easily be argued that this mistrust has been in place since the conclusion of WW2.

 

I am not getting into another boring thing with you but I will repeat yes I am a Pacifist as are most Revisionists. Who else would be brave enough to re look at such an abomination as The Holocaust but those who have born the woes of the World on their shoulders? Every one else just looks away.

 

See, this typical American arrogance and misplaced exceptionalism is so ingrained that the automatic response we hear from certain sectors is that we must be envious! Envious of what; your serial aggression, disastrous economy, incompetent healthcare 'system'? Pray tell.

 

wertyui0

As the sole initiator of the conflict through the annexation of Poland and his breaking of his promises Vis-A-Vis the Munich Agreement in which he annexed the totality of Czechoslovakia rather than only the Sudetenland, Hitler bares the burden of war guilt alone.

 

Anti-Semitic neo-Nazis for one. Your lies have been debunked at every single turn, what you call a "boring thing" is in actuality you having no rebuttal whatsoever to historical facts.

 

People play 'what ifs' all the time-in war games, films and literature. Try Len Deighton's 'SS-GB' for a fictional scenario where the Nazis won.

 

The true Revisionists that I have read are neither Anti Jewish people, though God knows why after the ways they are treated, nor Neo Nazis that is your only true defence of The Lie of the 20th Century against any of the truth sayers ...................... as for running away, I walk there are plebty of other days to fight your boring c an ps

 

More idiotic revisionist rubbish! For the record Europe post-WW1 was largely peaceful, until Hitler decided that a war of aggression for lebensraum was the way to go. As for his desire for peace (!), how many videos of his aggressive, warmongering speeches would you like me to post? Or are they also "photoshopped" as you maintain with the Nagasaki bomb photographs?

 

It is based on the Lie though I mean really. anyway I must stop wasting our time and get on ......................lol Last night I had booked a sansburies to me slot by clicking on to a bottle of Bolli for 50 quid to come back and amend and do the real shop later, I was so busy wasting everyones time on here I forgot til my time to amend was up. Well, I wish, but I'm a bit skint at the mo and I don;t think ancient hound would be too happy with a bottle of Bolli ....so I phoned this morn to cancel, I was tempted not to though

 

WWII was an extension of WWI . WWII would never have happened if not for WWI .........lets look at that one in reality, it will be all over the bloody TV next year. I doubt much will be said about its folly.

Why should we look> So that we may stop doing it, now in other peoples back gardens, we cannot condemn the USA without looking to oursleves first. He who throws and all that .............