Iran has issued a RED LINE.

So you are another one of those conspiracy nuts that think the history books are lying and that Hamas was created by clandestine operations and not by Sheik Ahmed Yassin, leader of the Muslim Brotherhood?

http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=23862
The Sheikh Founded Hamas -1987
After his release, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin founded the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in mid-1987

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/yassin.html
Yassin transformed his Islamic Organization into a new body called Hamas.

http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Palestinian/Pages/Ahmed Yassin.aspx
The founder and leader of the Hamas terrorist organization, Ahmed Yassin, was killed today in the northern Gaza Strip.

 

24 hours later, France surrendered!

 

Good news, bozo!

You seem to have travelled back to the era of the Franco-German War.

Franco-German War: Wikis
http://www.thefullwiki.org/Franco-German_War

 

And Snappo responds with this rubbish post...

I refuted your claim that Israel and the USA are not involved. Your ignorance on the topic has been proven. Trying to change the topic and talk about Hamas will not change that fact. Educate yourself on the topic before you post something. Both the USA and Israel are very much involved in Syria. They started being involved years before this conflict started.

 

cute.

What if they bought the nuke(s)?

How many tests has Israel completed/

You want him to blow up israel?

And I thought it was you, the whole time.

 

Right, so lets be consistent here - Israel has no nukes. Neither does Iran

 

Why cant they use them?

 

what are my true objectives?

i be the prick that torah thru to babble are expecting to show up.

I hate oppression and why dont you?

 

I think you're right, but I'd doubt it would be live air strikes. It would probably be a long-range cruise missile barrage. Iran do have AA defenses and US war planes risk being shot down. Iran shot down a drone and they have that tech to look at now.

 

actually, i do not want anything NUKE to occur but if the cancer cannot be cut out, then chemotherapy makes sense.

Keep in mind, that with no jerusalem, then the root of the three religions of abraham is pulled.

People will be pissed that so much damage has occurred over selfish beliefs.

 

liars are bad guys

that's another lie

 

Im american and hate Israel.

AIPAC idiots are committing treason to americans

and christians of the south, would eat you for lunch
literally

 

the folks of the east are not governed by the dollar.

You cant buy them like you are selling.

We need a snappo thread to just put these nasty posts in them. This one thread shows what a biggot is, unequivocally.

 

So you are denying Syria is secular nation, that is not governed by religious law???? LOL OK

 

Yes we are. Its pretty ridiculous how you try to paint Syria and Iran as some bastion of peace and freedom. lol

 

The Islamic theocracies, even the most brutal sharia dictatorships, like Saudi Arabia, are all friends with the USA. USA likes to get rid of secular, stable governments.

They support Islamic extremists, like in Syria right now.

It's almost like they WANT the whole of the Middle East to become a Sharia (*)(*)(*)(*) hole!

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Iran and Syria are bastions of freedom compared to countries like Saudi Arabia.

 

You both know nothing about Syria or it's society !! So sad that people are that misinformed!

Syrian secularism: a model for the Middle East


When journalist and talk-show host Charlie Rose asked Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in May about the greatest challenge facing his country, he evidently did not anticipate the response to revolve around preserving Syria's secular identity from the threat of extremism.

In fact, Mr. Rose's shock prompted him to repeat the answer to ensure that he understood the president. An editor for Foreign Policy magazine dismissed President Assad's answer as a mere public relations stunt aimed at "winning the sympathies of a Western audience."

The reactions of Rose and Foreign Policy's editor not only reflect broad ignorance of Syria in America, but obliviousness regarding the nature of the struggles and threats confronting the Middle East, even among so-called experts. While the region faces numerous volatile issues, the secularism enjoyed by many societies and governments acts as a safeguard, preventing disintegration.

Embracing, not rejecting, religion

Secularism is often defined as "indifference to or rejection or exclusion of religion and religious considerations." Syria defines it differently – not in terms of "rejection," or even "tolerance," but in terms of "embracing" all religions and "taking pride" in a diverse heritage.

While some countries in the Middle East tout themselves as a state for one religion (the Jewish State), Syria prides itself on being a state for all religions – and no religion. It is this formula that defines the true Syrian identity.

The Syria I grew up in embraced everyone. My own father is a decorated veteran of the 1973 war against Israel. Yet, when his first child was born after the war – and after four previous heartbreaking miscarriages – it was a Syrian Jewish doctor in whose hands he entrusted my life. I owe my life to that doctor, who saved me after a complication during infancy that nearly resulted in my death.

My father was no exception. Syria's Jewish community was historically among the most successful, with clients and friends from across Syria's diverse ethnic and religious social fabric.

The Syrian Christian community, one of the oldest in the world, is such an integral part of our society that Pope Benedict XVI extolled Syria as "an example of coexistence and tolerance to the world." Indeed, there are more than 13 Christian denominations in Syria.

Still, our history is not one of unscathed harmonious coexistence. We have seen our share of sporadic internal conflict. Such incidents, however, were anomalies that said less about Syria and more about the human tendency to act according to brute instinct during times of tension.

Living in the United States, I witnessed this same tendency after the 9/11 attacks, when mosques were vandalized and Muslims targeted. I understood, though, that these acts were taken by an extremist, ignorant fringe of American society.

The debate over – and fight for – secularism is global. It is embodied in the neighborhoods of the US, in the debate over burqas in the streets of Paris, and in the referendum over minaret heights in Switzerland. But nowhere is the fight bloodier and more momentous than in the Middle East. A combination of brutal occupation, foreign interference, and economic and intellectual stagnation has rendered the region polarized and left it a fertile ground for extremist recruitment. For this reason, securing secular strongholds, such as Syria, is imperative not only for the peoples of the region, but also to the national interests of the US, Europe, and all major powers.

How can Syria's brand of secularism best be supported? Unfortunately, our history is laden with foreign powers supporting a certain sector or ethnicity in order to pursue a short-term goal. Even more unfortunate is that usually such policies achieved their intended results, rendering them quite tempting. However, these tactical successes veiled the larger strategic and long-term failures.

Securing Syria's secularism

What is required is a long-term vision for policy in our region – one that does not obsess over short-term victories, but rather focuses on securing and stabilizing the region for the future. This can be attained by working for peace in the region, and also by buttressing the forces of secularism while curtailing those of ethnic and sectarian divides. The vision starts in Iraq and Lebanon, and spreads to the wider region and entire globe.

Admittedly, Syria faces several challenges, including retrieving the Israeli-occupied Golan and improving the standard of living for all Syrians. Achieving both is a matter of time: Freeing the Golan is inevitable, and the economy is on a strong upswing. Losing our secular identity to the forces of extremism, though, would be an irreversible and existential peril.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0713/Syrian-secularism-a-model-for-the-Middle-East

 

Syria: Christians happy under Assad. Religious freedom.

Saudi Arabia: Non-Islamic religions banned. Converting from Islam or blasphemy punishable by death. Valentine's day banned, including all chocolates that come in heart-shaped boxes and even teddy bears. All laws based on literal interpretation of the Koran, if not more extremist or Sharia, laws which the unelected ruling royalty are exempt from.

 

And have you ever visited any country in the Middle East?
Syria was secular and quite tolerant until the western world backed Islamic terrorists that they were supposedly fighting against stateside.

 

No no. He says Syria was the second coming of Talibans Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. It must be true then! Who are we to doubt that brilliant mind who knows everything about the Syrian society! It's not like I am not Syrian and did not live there for almost 3 decades. It is not like I could wear Western clothing in Syria. It is not like Christians had an absolute freedom to practice openly and to wear their cross out in the open wherever they went. It is not like we had secular public schools in Syria. It is not like women could go outside by themselves, drive a car, or go to clubs!

We can't question him. He is an internet expert on Syria.

 

I see no chance of Iran nuking Israel. There are too many sites that are holy to Muslims there...even if Iran doesn't care, they know lots of other Muslims would, and they would not want to risk p*ssing them off.

That being said, even if Iran already has nukes, they will be crappy ones with unreliable delivery systems vulnerable to Israeli missile defense and/or their Air Force. This is not at all like Saddam and his SCUDs...missile defense tech is significantly better in 2013.

 

Saudi Arabia has admitted they want the same society for Syria. Sharia law, no womens rights, veil mandatory, extermination of 2 million Christians. Destruction of ancient sites including those in Homs and the Roman structures in Palmyra. That is what the West and Saudi Arabia has planned for Syria. Remember how Taliban destroyed Buddha Statues in Afghanistan? Wahhabis in SA were cheering them on. Which were 3 countries in world that recognized Taliban govt in Afghan? Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and UAB. All 3 American allies. You think it's all a coincidence?

I am returning to Syria soon, but I will not tolerate living in the Syria that the West and Saudis have planned. Dying would be a better option. I want the FSA / Al-Nusra / Al-Qaeda to be in constant fear, that if Secular Syria and SAA goes down , we will take the terrorists and their families down with us too. SAA will use chemical weapons, biological weapons, ballistic missiles, fire the last bullet, mortar, use every tank, every fighter jet against the terrorists, traitors and their accomplises.

It will be either Secular Syria under SAA or no Syria. Wahhabi - Salafi - Saudi - Islamic Syria will not exist.

 

They also supply arms and terrorist to other countries. Let's be honest here.

 

Yes they do. But so does Israel and USA. I never claimed I support Hamas and Islamic Jihad. I am against any religious extremist group.

I am talking about the Iranian society. Ordinary Iranians are much more relaxed and tolerant than Saudis. Iranians are much more friendlier to the West and they are not obsessed with jihad. Their political sector might be anti-American but ordinary Iranians. In Saudi Arabia and Qatar, it's the opposite. Politicians are pro-American policy but the population absolutely hates the Westerners and Americans. Don't forget 15 out of 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi. Don't forget Saudis are behind 99% of sunni extremism in the world. 2 days ago they threatened Russia that if it does not give up Syria, they will give green light for terrorists to attack Sochi Olympics.

 

And US/UK/Israel do not? Arm trade is the big business buddy. Iranians are very well aware that they are the target. It's only natural to try to find the way to protect yourself from the inevitable attack, isn't it? Or would you just sit and wait for someone to kick your ass and take over your country?