Israel's Nuclear Arsenal

I think the only fair thing to do would be to turn the whole region back over to the rightful owners, the Ottoman Empire. Syria, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia should be returned to Turkish administration, that should put things right.

 

"International law" is unenforceable and is meaningless.

10 bucks says you wouldn't care if they weren't "Jews".

 

100 bucks says I wouldn't care if it wasn't being enforced with U.S taxpayer dollars. Next strawman please .

 

Do you see the various Muslim states rushing to restore the Ottoman Empire? This is about a minority of people being persecuted in their own lands, against any INTL. Well being or decency, or anything we'd expect from an "ally".

It's only natural that I have the same demands of Israel that I do for our Western Allies. These demands should be self-fulfilled at any rate

 

I'm fine with the US helping out Israel, because I think Israel's existence will help pave the way for de-radicalization of the Middle East - ex. many Palestinians, (such as gay Palestinians who could be put to death for being gay), voluntarily flee to Israel to escape radical Islamic oppression. Eventually the Muslims will catch on to how much more freedom and quality of life people in Israel enjoy and start demanding for it there - to me Israel is like a South Korea, or West Germany. No reason they shouldn't deserve our support.

 

You want to impose conditions on Israel with no security guarantees but demand nothing of other nations, I see, that all makes perfect sense now.

 

I think you're blindly optimistic. A nation that can't conform to basic requests that we ourselves have already done, simply cannot be compared to South Korea or West Germany. A nation that controls the aid and money supply on its subjugated subjects is not what I would identify as such a nation.

I treat the Israeli nation in much the same way the World treated Joseph Stalin. There's no compromise for the International Community we've tried to build.

 

Arab Israeli citizens enjoy more political freedom and a higher standard of living than Arabs living in Arab countries.

 

Have you ever bothered to seriously consider the Zionist argument?

 

You clearly don't care about US taxpayer dollars going to Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan and other hostile sh*tholes....You just lost $110

 

Have you seen any other nation engage in International Violations surrounding its own minorities? Generally, dictators and despots engage in that kind of behavior.

Zionism's "Jewish Exceptionalism" makes our so-called exceptionism rather modest and moderate.

I will not consider a violator of the INTL. Community, no matter what excuse he gives me. I'm intolerant surrounding our rules and engagement of decent human behavior.

 

I care just as much, in fact it's a populist position in the US about foreign aid. It just so happens we can't *target* the biggest beneficiary of all. The biggest beneficiary, and IMO the worst violator.

So $200 dollars for trying to find anything that says I have a bias against the Jewish Community for their race or religion alone. I'm confident you won't find one. I simply don't tolerate Sovietism reviving in the heart of the Middle East, and funding it to boot.

 

Israeli minorities vote and can be elected, they have their own parties, newspapers, political and other organizations and movements, members of government, they enjoy freedom of speech and freedom of religion, the Arabic language is one of two official languages of the state of Israel...They have it far better than their brethren in Arab countries and no worse than minorities in Europe, North America or Australia.

 

That's not supported by your posting history which is all about Israel and that says more than enough about your biases and prejudices.

 

Putting the thread topic aside for a moment...

I'd like you to answer these two questions.

First...

Just supposing Israel could be guaranteed, 100% assurance (or very close, as close as humanly possible) of security without building any more walls or building new settlements for whatever strategy, if they were assured they could be free of the threat from any Muslims, do you think israel would be content to simply live in peace alongside the Palestinian state without fear of terrorist violence?

Okay. Now here's the second question:

Supposing the Israelis/Zionists were guaranteed, 100% assured not to attack or use violence against any West Bank or Gaza inhabitant. Do you think the Palestinians would be content to live in peace alongside the Israelis/Zionists?

 

Gee, do you want me to make posts surrounding the other Middle Eastern countries as well? If not for Israel, we simply wouldn't be involved in the M.E. Solving the Palestinian problem will solve every other problem.

It's a problem country, it always *has* been a problem country. And it's supporters exemplify the reason why it's a problem. We wouldn't have to buy out other M.E governments otherwise, in fact in the 19th century we had great relations with ARAB countries.

I don't understand how on one end, Israelis and their various supporters can ask for and receive special treatment, while on the other hand denying that they receive special treatment, or lambasting those who decry said treatment.

We're not asking for anything irrational, we're asking you to obey the law that everyone else does.

*Everyone Else*

 

Isn't it natural? Would you raise a gun to someone's head if they've done nothing to you? Is it entirely implausible to you that INTL. Violations have caused further violations from the radical extremes of Palestine? The levels of poverty that I witnessed through those videos is simply unheard of, for a nation that receives billions in U.S aid.

There simply can be no justification of Israel, as she presently acts and engages the INTL. Community. She's not a friend, she's not an ally. She's a saboteur, using us whenever it's convenient and when it's not, she'll be the first to ditch us.

 

Can you calm down enough to answer my questions or do you simply refuse?

Or do you think you already did?

 

Of course I think I already did. I asked you don't you think it would be natural? In other words, without the building of settlements, with a true hand in peace, I've no doubt the Palestinians would work towards government and a two-state solution. But when the "master" controls the aid and then controls who receives it as well as who they "recognize", that's already a very significant disadvantage.

As a fellow American, as a Westerner, would you put up with such an unbearable state of affairs? I can only say that I refuse to negotiate with those who can't be negotiated with. I expect Israel to behave as a Nation State as a part of the INTL.Community. She has no excuses that can absolve her from her responsibility.

 

I will find a more suitable thread where we might continue this discussion instead of further derailing this fine thread. (Which was not your fault at all.)

 

here is a very interesting thread where we can continue this exchange.

I invite you to join me there.

Here is the link to it:

Home - Forum - Politics by Region - Middle East

Bodybuard of Mr. Yassar Arafat prepared to kill him if he signed at Camp David!!!!

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=313461&highlight=Camp+David

 

From the thread I found...

 

morchedai vanunu

 

I just hope they have enough. There is a lot of fricking Islamo's in the world, it would suck if they ran out.

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CT's???

 

And this is the kind of logic that guarantees there will never be peace. Why would Israel negotiate with anyone committed to their destruction? They shouldn't and I hope they never do.