Are "Christian" and "Fundamentalist" the same thing?

Who indeed knows the origin of the story. Many Christians claim of course, that they do know; an actual supernatural flood of all the world, an event that in fact never happened.

So back to who knows.

 

What she said was about leading people to their future... like Moses.

 

To be fair, the only real game in town are the Abrahamic religions. Who else is there to pick on? Islam, Judaism?

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There are those who take the stories of the Bible as pure parables and nothing to have to do with reality.

Then there are those who go half and half.

Then there are those who take it as infallible.

I think you will find that there is no real consensus on the issue.

As for myself, I believe in the flood. In fact, all ancient myths in the region talk about a great flood as well as a Garden Paradise.

So the question begs, if there was no great flood then how did they even know what a flood was and why did they all talk about a "great flood"?

 

Well, I'm not a "non-theist", but neither am I a christian. That said, I see christianity as a threat because they (and to date, only they) are trying to force the government to enforce their religion as law in this country. If they would only stop doing that, their existence would not matter to me at all.

 

How are they trying to do that?

Abortion is not a religious issue. It is an issue of when human life becomes human. Is it when the magical birth fiery comes and waves her wand over a child as it passes from the womb or is it somewhere in between conception and birth? Or is it when they reach a certain age after being born?

What say you?

As for the homosexual marriage issue, I think some do try to interject their religious views on the subject. As for myself, I don't understand how you can let gays marry and not polygamists. The state has created their own religious morality on the subject it seems with no objections from the likes of people like you.

 

You believe that there was a world wide flood, as described in the bible? Why?

As for your begged question, you give little credit to the human imagination or the diffusion of ideas among peoples.

If "all" tell this-a fact not in evidence-it would more probably reflect the spread of stories among peoples, than it would the reality of something that didnt happen.

Keep in mind too that certain themes show up in stories all around the world. Mermaids, giants, little people, invincible warriors, god-kings, dragons, sea monsters, etc. None of those stories could reasonably be interpreted to mean those things are real.

 

I think perhaps....we actually do know where the story comes from:

"The story of the great flood as told in the Bible originated from the ancient Sumerians, who settled in early Mesopotamia and whose legends and mythologies greatly influenced the subsequent civilizations of that area. The later versions of the stories were retold by early Mesopotamian cultures right down to the time of the writing of the Bible after 1000BC. These versions all tell a very similar story. The stories of the flood, paradise or Eden, and the creation of man. These stories also tell pieces of the puzzle about the origin of the Sumerians, who were a forgotten people until the late 19th century when their writing was discovered and decyphered. These various myths and legends also include information about the location and time that the last great flood occurred which gave rise to these stories."
http://users.cwnet.com/millenia/Sumer-origins.htm

 

I say of course it's a religious issue, and a clump of cells that has neither a brain nor a heart is not a living human.

I have no philosophical objection to plural marriage being legal, though there are numerous logistical problems that would have to be addressed for it to even be possible. However "polygamy", defined in the traditional sense of one husband, many wives, would fail on equal protection grounds unless it was completely gender neutral. (Which is to say, it could be one husband, many wives, one wife, many husbands, or any other combination.)

 

"The likes of people like you" is kind of a hostile sounding construction. Do you yourself mount meaningful objections?

BTW, I agree with you on the illogic of gay marriage but not polygamy, and in opposition to abortion.

 

And that might be true. Who knows. There are those who point to flood stories from disparate cultures around the world, and say they are all from the same flood, the biblical one. Whence those stories, if you can find the origin of the middle eastern legend?

 

My point being that at a time when Humans had very limited geographic mobility....it is highly likely the Biblical flood story was co opted locally. As for the worldwide flood myth connection, as most civilizations arose on rivers they likely all suffered floods at times.

 

That's a great website...... Thanks.

I never knew that Dilmun was referred to as Mount Dilmun..

The latest information on the geology and formation of the Persian Gulf.. is that it was a river basin that ran from the shat al Arab to the Indian ocean.... until at some point it was breached at the Straits of Hormuz and the ocean flowed in.

 

I'm sorry, did I say world wide flood? All I said was there was a great flood.

 

It is a religious issues, but it is not JUST a religious issue, that is my point. It is an issue of science and our humanity. To glibly say it is ONLY an issue of religion is disingenuous.

We are all just a clump of cells. How they are arranged and how they are working together seems to be the issue at hand.

Do you support partial birth abortions?

As for marriage, why should the state care where we like to stick our appendages?

 

Do I sound hostile? Maybe its because I'm tired of the brain dead hypocrisy of the left that seems to rule the world. This self righteous poo is championed simply because they don't utter the word "God" in their reasoning, yet it is no less idiotic in reasoning.

 

Huh.... ok. Lotta brain dead, plenty to go around.

As far as I've observed, the "brain dead" bit is not remotely restricted to the left. Nor the self righteousness.

Religious fundamentalists make up a big part of the right, and influence beyond their numbers.
You can hardly get more brain dead than a fundy, you know?

 

If you believe in the flood as described in the bible, its a world wide flood.

There have been, of course, many great floods. And lesser.

You good on the begged q bit? No need for a real basis for the Great Blue Ox, either.

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Sticking things in me w/o my permission is something for the state to be involved in.
Likewise with animals, children.

 

Then you have the Pentecostals and the Evangelicals.... and the Rapture Ready and the Prosperity Doctrine.. More mainline Christians are accused of being "Tepid".

 

In as much as those guys seem most adamant that being one of them tepids or a Catholic or a Mormon
is NOT the same thing as being a fundamentalist, its a stretch and a half for them to then
say that an "attack" on their silly superstitions is an attack on all of Christianity!

 

Not one myself, but deal with them constantly.

I think some of them take it as an attack on christian belief, even though it does not effect their personal system of faith. The tone of the statements makes a big difference too. A simple question like you have posed here seems honest and non threatening, so most responses are likely to be much less defensive.

All of the different christian denominations have their problems with scripture. From the fundies who have to swallow the whole pill, to catholics who have to accept the ridiculous ban on contraceptives (though I think few take it to heart) based on one verse in Genesis.

 

Christianity is based on the words of the Bible. A thread mocking and demeaning the Bible---is an attack on the Bible and thus Christianity. Though not all Christians see the stories of the flood and Adam and Eve as actual events as written---every Christian would take it as an offense if the Bible was mocked and its stories laughed at.

Just commonsense.

 

only requirements to be a Christian is to believe Jesus Christ was out lord and savior and he died on the cross for our sins and to do your best to follow and abide by the teachings of the bible

Now here is where the split is. somethings are left up to mans interpretations of the teachings of the bible. man can read one passage and come away with a different understanding then the next. it is why we have different denominations with differing beliefs what the bible meant

 

Yes, their world was flooded. That is subject to interpretation.

At least you believe in a "great flood".

 

Of course there are. That is why you have people voting for both "W" and Obama and both for consecutive terms.

However, the left is has a collectivist ideology, and as such, has ruled historically. Tyranny is our history and our inclination.

 

So ..... a military hierarchy would be an example of vertical collectivism?