http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...tive-rule-against-licensed-carry-of-handguns/ http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2014/02/12/1056971.pdf And with these cases off the table, the remaining cases speak with one voice: states may not destroy the right to bear arms in public under the guise of regulating it. California, one step closer to freedom? Perhaps.
I disagree with the ruling. Open carry should be allowed everywhere and concealed carry completely in the discretion of the state, including a total prohibition if they so desire on concealed carry.
Why? If open carry is common, that's one thing. But if it's not, and I'm open carrying and nobody else is, that's just a "shoot me first" sign. While I would like to see open carry become virtually universal, we're nowhere near there.
Common doesn't matter to me. The Constitution clearly envisions state action when it comes to militias, and the right to have guns is clearly tied to the militia, ergo the states have Constitutional authority to regulate. The Second Amendment is as subject to time, place, and manner restrictions similar to freedom of speech. If having to have a permit to conceal is legal, than it is already regulated. If California wants to ban the practice they should legally be able to just as long as open carry is allowed. There is no right to privacy regarding one's firearms in a public place. If it makes you a sitting duck, so be it, but more often than not, I would imagine the message isn't "shoot me first" so much as "just keep on walking".
another self-proclaimed Constitutionalist..............hell v dc claims your stance is unlikely. Go read it again......Lib spin alert!!!!!
It is DC v. Heller, so maybe you should go read it again, paying particular attention to the fact that the case had to do with what guns you have in your home and what way they have to be stored in your home, not on concealed weapons permits.
Libs aren't aware that any infringement on the 2nd A is unlawful. In all truthfulness, even a CCW is a form of registration. Some of us that back the 2nd consider that the knock on the door.
You are the one who raised Heller, and Heller clearly states that the Second Amendment is not sacrosanct and is subject to regulation. Since what is or is not "lawful" is ultimately decided by the Courts and is a moving target on any given day, what anybody who doesn't sit on one of the benches considers lawful or unlawful really doesn't mean much whether it is you, me, or the guy down the street.
You have that exactly backwards. The existence of the militia is tied to the people's right to keep and bear arms.
You haven't? [table="width: 800, class: grid, align: left"] [tr][td]Date[/td][td]Location[/td][td]Deaths[/td][td]Injuries[/td][td]Description[/td][/tr] [tr][td]7-Jan-13[/td][td]"Fort Myers, Florida"[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]"Shots were fired at Apostolic Revival Center Christian School, leaving 27-year-old Kristopher Smith dead in what was believed to be a retaliation killing, possibly for talking with police about a previous incident.[321]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]10-Jan-13[/td][td]"Taft, California"[/td][td]0[/td][td]2[/td][td]"A gunman entered a science classroom of Taft Union High School with a 12 gauge shotgun and opened fire. A 16-year-old male student, identified as Bowe Cleveland, was shot in the chest and critically wounded. Another student was shot at, but was not hit. The classroom teacher, Ryan ****r, convinced him to drop his weapon, and the gunman followed his order and was later arrested. Additionally, ****r suffered a minor wound from being grazed by a shotgun pellet during the ordeal. The gunman is suspected to be a 16-year-old student of the school, Bryan Oliver. Cleveland and the other student that was shot at are both believed to be intended targets of the gunman. On January 14, Oliver was charged with two counts of attempted murder and assault with a firearm.[322][323]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]11-Jan-13[/td][td]"Detroit, Michigan"[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][td]A 16-year-old boy was shot in a field across the school campus after a basketball game was held at Osborn High School. He was hospitalized in serious condition.[324][/td][/tr][tr][td]15-Jan-13[/td][td]"St. Louis, Missouri"[/td][td]0[/td][td]2[/td][td]"A gunman shot an administrator in his office on the fourth floor of Stevens Institute of Business and Arts, wounding him. The suspected gunman, Sean Johnson, a part-time student, shot and wounded himself on a stairwell. Both the administrator and Johnson were hospitalized in stable conditions. Johnson was charged with three felony charges, including assault.[325]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]15-Jan-13[/td][td]"Hazard, Kentucky"[/td][td]3[/td][td]0[/td][td]"Two people were shot and killed and a third person was wounded at the parking lot of Hazard Community and Technical College. The third victim, 12-year-old Taylor Cornett, died from her wounds the next day. 21-year-old Dalton Lee Stidham was arrested and charged with three counts of murder.[326]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]16-Jan-13[/td][td]"Chicago, Illinois"[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]"A 17-year-old boy, Tyrone Lawson, was shot to death in a parking lot of Chicago State University. The shooting happened after high school basketball games were being held on the university campus, and Lawson was a spectator at the event. Police arrested two people after the shooting and recovered a weapon.[327]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]22-Jan-13[/td][td]"Houston, Texas"[/td][td]0[/td][td]3[/td][td]"Between the Library and Academic Building outside of Lone Star College–North Harris, two men got into an argument and one of the men pulled out a gun and shot the other man, a student, injuring him. A maintenance man suffered a gunshot wound to the leg. The gunman accidentally shot himself in the leg. After the shooting, the gunman fled into the woods and was arrested hours later. The charges against the initial suspect were dropped and another man was arrested.[328]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]29-Jan-13[/td][td]"Midland City, Alabama"[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]"2013 Alabama bunker hostage crisis: A gunman, a man in his 60s, boarded a school bus and shot the bus driver, Charles Albert Poland Jr., 66. Poland was killed. The gunman abducted a 6-year-old child and held him hostage in an underground bunker. The gunman was shot to death by police several days later.[329]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]31-Jan-13[/td][td]"Atlanta, Georgia"[/td][td]0[/td][td]2[/td][td]"A 14-year-old male student was shot and wounded in the back of the neck at Price Middle School. The gunman, a student, was believed to be arguing with the other student before taking out a handgun and firing multiple shots at him. In addition, a teacher was injured during the shooting. Afterward, the gunman was disarmed by a school resource officer and subsequently apprehended. He was charged with aggravated assault.[330][331]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]18-Mar-13[/td][td]"Orlando, Florida"[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]"At the University of Central Florida, 30-year-old student James Oliver Seevakumaran pulled a fire alarm went off at the Tower 1 dormitory. According to plans he had written, Seevakumaran intended to attract a large amount of people inside the building to gather and shoot them. He then pointed a handgun at his roommate and threatened to shoot him inside their dormitory room. Seevakumaran released his roommate who ran into a bathroom to call 911. Seevakumaran then fatally shot himself in the head. Authorities found an assault weapon, a couple hundred rounds of ammunition and four homemade bombs inside his backpack.[332]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]21-Mar-13[/td][td]"Southgate, Michigan"[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]"A student, 13-year-old Tyler Nichols, shot himself in the bathroom at his school, Davidson Middle School in Southgate, Michigan[333]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]12-Apr-13[/td][td]"Christiansburg, Virginia"[/td][td]0[/td][td]2[/td][td]Two women were wounded during a shooting at the campus of New River Community College. Neil Allen MacInnis was taken into custody.[334][/td][/tr][tr][td]16-Apr-13[/td][td]"Temple, Texas"[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]"A student shot himself in the head while at school, and died on the night of the incident.[335]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]16-Apr-13[/td][td]"Grambling, Louisiana"[/td][td]0[/td][td]3[/td][td]Three students were shot and injured on the campus of Grambling State University.[336][/td][/tr][tr][td]18-Apr-13[/td][td]"Cambridge, Massachusetts"[/td][td]2[/td][td]1[/td][td]"At the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, near Building 32 (Stata Center) at 10:48 p.m. EDT,[337] a campus police officer was shot multiple times.[338] The officer, 26-year-old Sean Collier, was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital in nearby downtown Boston, where he was pronounced dead. The shooting was believed to be perpetrated by the suspects of the Boston Marathon bombings that took place in Boston three days prior to this shooting.[339][340] The two suspects are brothers Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. About three hours after the MIT shooting, Tamerlan died in a gunfight with police in Watertown, Massachusetts. In that gunfight, another officer was shot and seriously wounded. Dzhokhar was arrested 18 hours afterward in Watertown, and was hospitalized in critical condition from a gunshot wound to the neck."[/td][/tr][tr][td]29-Apr-13[/td][td]"Cincinnati, Ohio"[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][td]"At around 8:00 AM EST, a student shot himself at La Salle High School, a Catholic school. The student, Joe Poynter, was hospitalized in critical condition at a Cincinnati hospital. According to police, no known threats were made to any other students or staff. Police arrived immediately after the incident was reported.[341][342]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]7-Jun-13[/td][td]"Santa Monica, California"[/td][td]6[/td][td]4[/td][td]"2013 Santa Monica shooting: Six people, including the shooter died and four others were wounded at or near the campus of Santa Monica College when a lone gunman opened fire on the school campus library after shooting at several cars and a city bus at separate crime scenes. The gunman, John Zawahri, was fatally wounded by responding police officers. Among the dead were the shooter's father and brother, both of whom died inside a house that was set on fire a mile or so from the Santa Monica College campus.[343][344]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]20-Jun-13[/td][td]"West Palm Beach, Florida"[/td][td]2[/td][td]0[/td][td]"Two custodians at Alexander W. Dreyfoos School were shot and killed. The deceased were Christopher Marshall, 48, and his boss Ted Orama, 56. A third custodian was suspected in the killings and was apparently on the lam.[345]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]20-Aug-13[/td][td]"Decatur, Georgia"[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]"A man with an AK-47 fired six shots inside the front office of Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy, an elementary school. After the gunman fired the shots, he barricaded himself in the office and police at the scene returned fire. Nobody was injured. Children had to leave the building and were being guided to a corner of a field, where they were picked up by their parents. The alleged gunman is a 20-year-old male named Michael Brandon Hill. In the front office of the school, Hill talked with Antoinette Tuff, a woman who worked in the front office, who had called 9-1-1. Tuff talked him down, and helped him surrender to the police before anyone was hurt. Hill was apprehended.[346][347][348][349][350][351]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]23-Aug-13[/td][td]"Sardis, Mississippi"[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]"A student, Roderick Bobo, 15, was shot during a football game at North Panola High School in what was termed as a gang-related shooting. Two others were injured in the shooting, and three men were charged as being responsible for the crime.[352][353]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]30-Aug-13[/td][td]"Winston-Salem, North Carolina"[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][td]"A 15-year-old male student was shot in the neck and shoulder at Carver High School, at 2:30 PM. The victim was hospitalized with non-life threatening injuries. An 18-year-old male student was apprehended by a school resource officer without incident.[354][355] The suspected gunman is charged with assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious injury, carrying a concealed gun, possessing and discharging a firearm, and carrying a firearm onto educational property. The shooting was believed to be the result of an on-going dispute between the suspect and the victim.[135]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]28-Sep-13[/td][td]"Gray, Maine"[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]"Gaige McGue, 19, of Denmark died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound in the parking lot of Gray-New Gloucester High School during homecoming weekend. According to the sheriff’s office, McCue had never been a student at the school.[356]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]28-Sep-13[/td][td]"Lansing, Michigan"[/td][td]0[/td][td]4[/td][td]"Three students and one other teenager were shot outside of J.W. Sexton High School, at about 2:45 PM. Apparently, a group of students went to a location near the school and were attempting to settle some type of disagreement, when shots rang out. The three injured students were hospitalized while an additional teenager later showed up at an area hospital who was injured as well.[357]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]4-Oct-13[/td][td]"Pine Hills, Florida"[/td][td]0[/td][td]2[/td][td]A 16-year-old student was shot in the hip at Agape Christian Academy after a fight broke out at 2 pm. An innocent bystander was hit in his ankle by a stray bullet or shrapnel. The two victims were treated for non-life-threatening injuries. The suspected shooter reportedly fled in a car with several other males. He was not caught.[358][359][360[/td]][/tr][tr][td]15-Oct-13[/td][td]"Austin, Texas"[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]A 17-year-old student fatally shot himself with a handgun in the courtyard of Lanier High School. The shooting happened in front of other students.[361][362][/td][/tr][tr][td]21-Oct-13[/td][td]"Sparks, Nevada"[/td][td]2[/td][td]2[/td][td]"12-year-old seventh-grade student Jose Reyes opened fire with a semi-automatic handgun at the basketball courts of Sparks Middle School, injuring one student in the shoulder. A teacher, Michael Landsberry, who was trying to intervene with the gunman was then shot and killed by Reyes, as he was standing on a playground. Reyes shot and wounded student who tried to come to Landsberry's assistance after he fell onto the ground. That student suffered an injury to his abdomen. Reyes then committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. The shooting happened before classes, and the school was evacuated and was closed for the week.[363][364][365]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]2-Nov-13[/td][td]"Greensboro, North Carolina"[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][td]"A 21-year-old student was shot and wounded at North Carolina A&T State University. The victim was hospitalized for serious but non-life-threatening injuries. The university was temporarily locked down that night, and the lockdown was lifted about half an hour later. No suspects are in custody.[366][367]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]3-Nov-13[/td][td]"Lithonia, Georgia"[/td][td]0[/td][td]2[/td][td]A Stephenson High School student and a janitor were shot in an apparent confrontation between team members and a group of teens who were not attending the school. Both were innocent bystanders in the ordeal.[368][/td][/tr][tr][td]13-Nov-13[/td][td]"Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania"[/td][td]0[/td][td]3[/td][td]"After classes ended, at least one gunman came out of the woods and opened fire on three students as they were walking to their cars at Brashear High School. One student was grazed in the head, another was struck in the neck and shoulder, and a third was hit in the leg and foot. Six people were taken into custody. The shooting is believed to be drug-related.[369]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]19-Nov-13[/td][td]"Lynchburg, Virginia"[/td][td]1[/td][td]1[/td][td]"Joshua Hathaway, 19, a freshman at Liberty University was killed after he told a security officer at about 4:15 a.m. that someone had stolen his car. Hathaway then pulled out a hammer from his clothing and assaulted the officer in the dormitory's lobby. The officer fired two shots in response, striking Hathaway at least once.[370]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]26-Nov-13[/td][td]"Rapid City, South Dakota"[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]"A physics professor, Alberto Lemut, 37, at South Dakota School of Mines & Technology died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound at the Electrical Engineering/Physics building.[371]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]4-Dec-13[/td][td]"Winter Garden, Florida"[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][td]"A 15-year-old student was shot and wounded by a 17-year-old student near a soccer field on the campus of West Orange High School. The shooting occurred after a fight broke out between the two students. The 17-year-old suspected shooter was taken into custody several miles away from the school, and is charged with attempted murder, aggravated battery with a firearm, possession of a firearm by a minor and possession of a firearm on school grounds.[372][373]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]13-Dec-13[/td][td]"Centennial, Colorado"[/td][td]2[/td][td]0[/td][td]"18-year-old Karl Pierson shot 17-year-old student Claire Davis in the head, fatally injuring her, in a hallway in Arapahoe High School. Pierson then committed suicide by shooting himself. Pierson was armed with a shotgun, three Molotov cocktails, and a machete. He was looking for a faculty member who had disciplined him, and intended to shoot him. Claire Davis died from her injuries on December 21, 2013.[374][375][376]"[/td][/tr][tr][td]19-Dec-13[/td][td]"Fresno, California"[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][td]"Four teens went into Edison High School in what was believed as a gang-initiation process. After accosting a 62-year-old woman about a mile away from school grounds, they found an athletic trainer who taught at Edison High and shot him several times in the leg and stomach. It took a few days for the youths to get caught, and this was cinched when the 62-year-old woman and some surveillance video gave police the information they needed.[377][378]"[/td][/tr] [/table] The voices of the shot and dead call out to you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#cite_note-321
Right, because Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Florida, Utah, and all of the other 36 states that are shall issue for concealed carry are the wild wild west. News flash; they aren't. Blood isn't running in the streets of those states, people aren't shooting each other over parking spots and petty disputes. The irrational fear that people have of law abiding citizens legally carrying firearms is something I will never understand.
I have no fear of law abiding citizens carrying guns at all. Straw man. It's the non law abiding citizens carrying guns I worry about. - - - Updated - - - They were all carrying a firearm.
These crimes were not committed by people who were legally carrying firearms. Hence they were illegal. Legislation only pertains to those who choose to abide by laws. The court's new ruling in no way will effect criminal activity.
That's the problem. Folks using legal guns illegally. If everyone used them legally there wouldn't be an issue.
I would also support everyone's social security numbers and ban account numbers be open for display as well. I mean, were is the Constitution does it say people have a right to protect those numbers? LOL
