Voter suppression

Obama wants to create some my IRA or some such bad investment.

There is no difference between treating SS as debt or not. The system is running in permanent deficit so it makes sense to treat it just like a regular budget item because that is what it is. Intergovernmental holdings does overstate our true national debt. It would be like me loaning myself a million dollars. It washes either way.

 

It appears you have been Listening too many right wing lies
And I think you would not be able to understand if I were To give you an explanation

because you seem not to realize that you pay Social Security separate from any other tax
And you appear not to understand the basic facts
This makes it almost impossible to discuss Social Security with you

 

Yeah "I won't discuss it with you due to your ignorance" translates to "Yeah you are right and I don't know how to respond".

That is its collected separately is of zero difference. Intergovernmental debt is a shell game; social security's fictional "trust fund" is permanently being drawn down. There is zero reason to pretend that the excess money collected wasn't spent as soon as it was collected a decade or two ago.

 

no, checking id's at the voting booths slows down the process

and that would only serve to limit the numbers that could vote

exactly what republican schemers have been wanting all along

"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." - Paul Wyrich, Dallas, TX 1980


[video=youtube;8GBAsFwPglw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw[/video]

 

So you are arguing that the right to vote only applies if there is an election.......very clever....

 

rly? no.

 

So there is no right to vote tomorrow, because there isn't an election.
And if a state decided to appoint electors then there wouldn't be a right to vote for presidential electors in that state.
Of course there would be a right to vote for congressional representation, wouldn't there?

 

You're wriggling as much as you can to find that you have a Constitutional right to vote. I never said you don't have the right to vote - I said you don't have the Constitutional right to vote (if I dropped that at any point, I think I initially said it clear enough that it should be well understood what I was talking about). The Supreme Court has said that you don't have the right to vote [please, read some briefs on the cases I mentioned]. In response to some of those cases, as one other poster mootly pointed out, amendments were made, but these Constitutional amendments never asserted the right to vote, they merely stated that citizens can not be denied the right to vote based on x, y, or z, but left a though w wide open.

 

Out of excuses?

 

So what is the practical application of this great constitutional insight?

 

i haven't made any

but it is funny how you deny what weyrich said

he won't say it, but you and i both know it's a political ploy to suppress voting

 

That's a very weak argument! I thought you were smarter than that, but I was wrong.

 

how is it weak?

it shows what the gop wants

that is, to win by suppressing vote

 

It won't slow down the vote. That's a silly reasoning. More likely a (*)(*)(*)(*)-pore excuse for allowing illegal voters!

 

that absurd premise has been proven false over and over again and you still keep spewing that misinformation
every where that they have enacted voter ID laws the have had a bigger minority turn out the next election cycle then before the voter ID law was enacted

Your constant resistance and your spreading misinformation just shows you don't want voter ID laws for the only reasons so democrats can get away with voter fraud and the public is beginning to see it

 

it takes time to produce an id

it takes time to verify an id

it takes time to deal with an unacceptable id

it takes time to fill out a provisional ballot

being dishonest and pretending it won't slow down the process is the sort of thing

that angered voters and caused the backlash in 2012

keep up the good work

 

Nah, perhaps you are just being a racist! Are you saying black and poor people are too dumb to get a simple ID card?

 

for the umpteenth time, no i'm not saying that

but lots of republicans are parroting that lie every chance they get

 

Your argument is still weak and just plain silly!

 

what's weak is just saying something without providing any real argument

extra layers of requirements certainly do take time to enforce

not to mention, that's exactly what the gop wants



"The evidence is clear: identification requirements for voting reduce turnout among low-income and minority voters. And the particular restrictions imposed by Republican lawmakers—limiting the acceptable forms of identification, ending opportunities for student voting, reducing hours for early voting—certainly do appear aimed at Democratic voters."


"After the election, former Florida GOP chairman Jim Greer told The Palm Beach Post that the explicit goal of the state’s voter-ID law was Democratic suppression. “The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” Greer told the Post. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only ... ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’” he said. Indeed, the Florida Republican Party imposed a host of policies, from longer ballots to fewer precincts in minority areas, meant to discourage voting. And it worked. According to one study, as many as 49,000 people were discouraged from voting in November 2012 as a result of long lines and other obstacles."

"In 2011 an Associated Press analysis found that South Carolina’s proposed voter-identification law would hit black precincts the hardest, keeping thousands from casting nonprovisional ballots."

Jamelle Bouie

 

Completely and totally false except in some bizarro fantasy world.

It's comical to watch liberals run around like their hair was on fire over voter ID. Minority voting in the deep south increased NOT decreased.

 

even republicans are confessing

Florida GOP chairman Jim Greer told The Palm Beach Post that the explicit goal of the state’s voter-ID law was Democratic suppression.

“The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” “It’s done for one reason and one reason only ... ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’”

 

I see why you didn't link to the story.

 

of course you won't admit the truth

even though the gop admits they're attempting to suppress voting

 

The facts have already been posted.............

Minority voting increased NOT decreased.