Innocent minds are being destroyed

All I hear in your defense is you denigrating the principles and practice of your loved ones. What I don't hear is that you take opportunities to open your grand-steps and/or others to broader ideas and concepts, or offer them the idea that stimulate their curiosity or introduce them to the concept of critical thinking.

Something about the poor little devils up to those asses in alligators... and no one is helping them find the drain, but hey, I can sure as hell beat you over the head in your hour of desperation.

But some would consider that to be the Christian thing to do.

 

Why on earth would you marry a religious woman if you feel so strongly against it.
Do t bother accusing her of being intellectually ill equipped because you've proven you are.
You got married for good blow jobs yet want the forum to believe your enlightened? Not a chance.

 

Apparently you could do with a remedial reading course too. I was talking to my wife not the grand daughter.

 

There is absolutely ZERO merit to conservative economics. NONE! Your problem is that you simply don't understand economics. Of course you believe that you do. But you don't. Austerity has never worked even once in the entire history of the world. Not in any nation. Not at any time. You can't cut your way to a better economy. That's why the more the neo-cons cut the worse things get. How did America recover economically after the massive debts created by WW II? We SPENT our way out of it. We created a national highway system and a massive space program. Conservative economics is only about ONE thing: the transfer of wealth from the middle class to the rich. Read my signature and study it until you figure it out.

 

It doesn't matter what approach I use with her if she refuses to listen does it? Its not like this is the first time I've tried to talk to her about it. Christians are AFRAID they will lose their souls if someone presents a persuasive argument. There is no dealing with that kind of superstitious irrationality. I've just had to accept her the way she is. Which is why we don't talk about it.

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My wife's best friend said recently that telling an adult that there is no Jesus is like telling a child that there is no Santa. I responded, "That may be true. But they are SUPPOSED to be ADULTS!"

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Its the same result. You can not persuade irrational people with logic. It just doesn't work.

 

What some of you are failing to understand is that you are coming in in the MIDDLE of the conversation with my wife. We have already established the parameters of the topic and why it cannot be discussed. For each word that you think is disrespectful there are previous discussions where every other alternative has been ruled out. The simple fact is that no matter how gently the topic is approached she will not discuss it. Not on any level. Not because I wouldn't treat her with the kindness and love that our relationship founded upon. But because she is scared to death of losing her soul by being persuaded that I am right. Apparently she believes in a god who plays that sort of nasty trick.

 

The REAL Christian thing to do would be to just murder her. Preferably after a prolonged torture session.

 

Do you really think that's why I married her? The problem with stupid people is that they are too stupid to know that they are stupid. Aside from the Jesus myth she is an intelligent person. That puts her in a relatively small minority. When it comes to religious views the overwhelming majority of people are pretty ignorant. Hence the problem.

 

I have been almost pleading with some of those that call themselves rational and logical, to present a persuasive argument or evidence that would compel my mind to accept what they present as 'true'. Thus far, they have all failed. Based on your previous comments regarding 'killing' her and the reason that was laid out by you regarding why you married her, I am already convinced that you also will fail in any further attempt that you might direct toward me. Have a nice evening.

 

If you haven't been persuaded by now the problem is not in the arguments which with you have already been presented. Its that there is no way to prevail against your defective circular logic.

In truth Christianity doesn't hold up on ANY level. Not historically, logically, or even morally. I defy you to present ANY rational* argument as to why this Christian god of yours should even be considered "good" even if he does exist. The Christian concepts of god are about what you would expect if the Joker from Batman was given infinite power.

But, again, I don't really expect you to understand any of that. Nor does your lack of understanding diminish the truth of the argument.

*Meaning without quoting scriptures. Which is just more circular logic such as "It says in Matthew #$%^ that god is good so it must be true because the Bible says that everything in the Bible is true!"

 

are they not your offspring too? if not, then I would let the biological mother and father make the choice when it comes to their faith, when they get old enough they can decide for themselves

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if they are your children, buy some video's, watch them with your family and let your children ask the questions and find the answers on their own, don't tell them they need to believe what you believe, let them figure it out on their own

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buy your children each a bible, ask them to read it cover to cover... learn more about their faith

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Well, as most of the members on this forum will tell you, I don't even claim to be a logician. I use the dictionary as my weapon of choice. Wow, I used to get bombarded with demands to show proof, and then one day it finally dawned on me: PROOF: evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept it as true. See www.thefreedictionary.com/proof definition #1.

What is the ultimate, all encompassing definitiion of the word "truth"? Compel my mind to accept what you say is true. I will say that you are very brazen in making a claim consisting of three separate elements which have never been shown as PROOF of anything. As for your request to present "ANY rational" argument, I will say this: I don't practice the art of rationalization (making excuses for ones behavior). Instead, I will simply sit back and wait for your many opinions and rationalizations in your attempt to compel my mind to accept what you say as true.

 

No they are her's by a prior marriage. She was a widow when I found her. The trouble with letting them decide for themselves when they get older is that by then their minds will be as damaged as any other Christian. If they were presented the truth at the same time they were presented with this dogma they might be able to make a reasonable choice. But, ya see, there's this social attitude that says that it would be wrong for me to interfere at this stage.

 

Let's try a little experiment shall we? First I will present you with some facts. Then I would like you to explain what intellectual distortions and contortions you have to go through to try to justify your beliefs. Do you simply reject that the following is true? Or do you somehow tell yourself that its OK that Christianity teaches this? What is the mental process that allows you to reconcile your beliefs with the following?

FACT: According to the New Testament there is only one unforgivable sin. That is "blasphemy of the holy spirit".

What, you might ask, is "blasphemy of the holy ghost"?

Since this is the ONLY sin that cannot be forgiven this means that ANY Christian can be forgiven ANYTHING. But NO non Christian can be forgiven whatsoever. To put that another way it means that the Nazis who ran the concentration camps that murdered SIX MILLION JEWS as well as millions of other innocent people can be forgiven and gain entrance into Heaven. But those Jews who were murdered in those camps and did not accept Jesus as their savior cannot gain entrance to Heaven and will instead be cast down into ETERNAL TORTURE. For no other reason except that they didn't drink the Kool Aide.

This is what YOUR religion teaches. How do you respond to that teaching? Do you deny that this is the ENTIRE BASIS of what your religion is founded on? Or do you find some way to make this OK in your own mind? How do you process this information?

 

Read the first paragraph and completed the test just as quickly as I read the paragraph. There were no intellectual distortions or contortions required for me to justify my beliefs. Reason: YOU have not presented anything that would compel my mind to accept your argument(s) or evidence as true. I rest my case. You lose.

 

don't push them, be a good person, when someone else tells them your going to hell for not believing... they will question that, why would their God send good people to hell

 

WTF are you talking about? I have presented no argument whatsoever. I am simply telling you what your religion is founded on. Salvation through your lord Jesus Christ. Do you or do you not have a problem with mass murdering Nazis who accepted Jesus going to Heaven while millions of innocent murdered people are cast into eternal damnation for their non belief?

 

so sounds like your their father now, so be one, offer them other view points, but in the end... let them decide for themselves

buy them their own bible and having them read it on their own (cover to cover) is one of the best things you can do for them to help them see the 'truth'

that is one of the reasons the church did not want the people to have access to the religious texts in the past.. they wanted to teach it in their own way... the church still hides many religious texts to this day...

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We just spent 8 TRILLION dollars with absolutely nothing to show for it. We have more people sucking off the system than putting into it. Leftist are spending our tax dollars on robotic squirrels. Tell us oh wise one, how many hours out of the day should I work to give to other people? And at one point does it make sense for me to just stop working and go on welfare like so many are doing. Socialism is always great right up until the money runs out and we need to learn to speak Chinese. We have a finite source of money a concept liberals cannot grasp even when you explain to them.
Obama and his ilk have done more to separate the Rich from the poor than any President in my lifetime. Democrats do the same exact thing only they tell you they are the ones that are really for you. Fact is liberals want people poor and on the system because they know those are guaranteed votes. A conservative wants those people working and paying into the system.
Tell us oh wise one, is it better to have more people working and paying into the system or less? Lets see if you are a fiscal conservative after all.

 

You have no trouble doing that on this forum.

I'll pray for your wife.

 

Apparently you missed the Reagan era.

We got rid of the Democratic Congress for starts.

Do you live your personal life that way, i.e. being financially irresponsible?

"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." Thomas Jefferson

The Founders understood that politicians, like most individuals, were sinful, self-interested creatures who were not to be trusted spending other people's money.

 

You should really be saving that nonsense for the political forum. It doesn't belong here. But to answer your question... This is EXACTLY the kind of conservative economic bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that I am talking about. You vote for people who transfer the tax burden from the wealthy, where it belongs, to the middle class. In the process they destroy millions of jobs. Then you whine because you have to pay more taxes because the rich aren't paying their fair share. You've been played for a fool. But you don't know enough about economics to understand that. Now please keep your political crap out of my thread.

 

Reagan ran up a FIVE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT (afi) trying to save us from a minor economic downturn. This USED to be a very wealthy nation when it was run by liberals in the 50's & 60's. Reagan was a disaster and his followers have destroyed our economy. Conservatives are the PROBLEM not the solution. And you can keep your political delusions to the political forum as well. Let's stick to your religious delusions here shall we?

 

The difference being that I have ZERO respect for conservative Christians. Nor do they deserve any. I do have respect for my wife who is a union organizer. Even though her mind is ruined when it comes to figuring out religion. Nobody is perfect. Not even me. That's why I have her to help me in the areas where I am weak. But my weak areas do not include religion or politics.