Obamacare Approval Hits the Skids

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  1. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    The more familiar Americans become with the Affordable Care Act, the less they're liking it. Interesting to note even Democrats are joining the ranks of the disapproving. That's what happens when Big Brother hits them in the pocketbook. No matter which party's in charge, folks sit up and take notice when it's costing them money.

    As evidenced by this poll taken by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

    Wonder what the approval rating will be by November? Aren't most policy holders expected to receive a big fat premium increase in September?

    Uh oh... not looking good for the Dems. :no: Wonder who they will blame for this bad news?
     
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    Wow, that is only about 40% less than those who disapprove of congress.
     
  3. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    You should start a thread! This one is about Obama's legacy... going over like a lead balloon!

    Poor Barack. His signature legislation will no doubt cost his party big time come Nov.

    Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Legacy usually refers to a time frame a bit longer than two months. I do suspect the Republicans will control the Senate after November but since the Republican party is totally disfunctional I am not really sure that will be a positive for America.
    But then again if one subscribes to the theory that a divided government is good for the country then think how good a government divided into three parts could be.
     
  5. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Obamacare was signed into law in 2010... a little longer than two months.

    Good to see you agree Dems will likely lose the Senate in Nov. Admitting defeat is the first step toward facing reality.
     
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    How are you going to keep in all the things people like and the Medicaid expansion and repeal what people don't like noting the MAJORITY of states are expanding or have expanded Medicaid and they now have the majority of seats in the Senate unless they have Senators voting against the best interests of their states and the governors some Republican. So good luck with that.

    Go ahead as these same people will they give up the reforms one by one and see how they poll like should we repeal the ban on refusing patients who are sick or kick them off when they feel like it see if they say yes or no?

    And go on like closing the Senior Drug Plan loophole a benefit no one is considering there is one Seniors likely won't want to give up so put that out there.

    The mandate and such may suck but is vital to funding the rest of the programs and to protect the insurance industry with no mandate and such it dies, its simple fact it must be universal and that means insuring the poor, insuring low income workers and making sure those more successful get coverage one way or another.
     
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    Harry Reid said in February that all the 'horror stories' about Obamacare were lies financed by the Koch Brothers and concocted by Republicans for political ads.

    [video=youtube;gFDm0mGhcdg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFDm0mGhcdg[/video]

    An 8% jump in disapproval ratings seems to indicate folks are finally catching on.

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  8. Smartmouthwoman

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    Obama made a huge mistake by 'throwing out the baby with the bathwater' to implement ACA.

    Are you willing to admit that much?
     
  9. tkolter

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    At a practical position its not likely to be repealed the Medicaid expansion alone did that with enough seats to prevent it there that leaves reforms. Now I will give you it is not a good law but its largely in place and staying.

    Now here is what I would have proposed.

    1. A tax structure including a payroll tax and taxes on things like junk food and drinks, like we do with other "sin" items like beer and cigarettes say 5% at point of sale wholesale or in stores. And use this to:

    2. Expand Medicaid fully Federalizing it under the ACA guidelines for income ,removing the states, handing the money to HMO's insisting on a basic set of benefits and 92% of money go to care. To encourage more profits let them get more if they can reduce care costs without lowering quality of care or services say they find good way to cut the costs 2% they get that as profits. States though would lose all other funding for indigent care and what Federal government sources would provide to charity hospitals etc. To get insurers on board require participation if they have a presence in more than one state invoking the Commerce Clause but make sure they don't lose money.

    2. Make sure each county or if sparse county populations a fixed group of counties have a Federally Funded Hospital care based on Medicaid or ability to pay of people are not on Medicaid and in each state one High Care Facility also funded more where they can for complex care. More in high population states.

    3. Find ways to boost private insurance and do reforms where it would be budget neutral.

    This would likely have in the long run covered a lot more people.
     
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    Your ideas have merit, but you just can't bring yourself to criticize Obama & his merry band of Democrats, can you?

    Yes, it's a bad law. That's an understatement. People are suffering. Any solution for that?
     
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    I criticize BOTH parties Ike back in the 1950's wanted a national health care system of some sort likely mirroring Germany and was shot down, and every president tried since then to get something. The ACA is a mess but its what we ended up with. How to fix it, I'm not sure, likely reforms copying some other nation would do taking what worked there and stealing it. A mandate of some sort needs to be in place though since getting everyone under one blanket is key, there are ways to do that, but not sure what would work.
     
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    Why criticize BOTH parties for a bad law passed by ONE party?

    We can go back to Washington if you want, but it doesn't change the fact Obamacare is solely a product of the Democrats .. and it's a disaster.
     
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    You can criticize the Republicans for not having any better ideas.
     
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    Did anyone ask me or the 20 million who now have coverage unlike the past?
     
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    Read the poll, Mr_Truth. You've been lying to us. The majority of people don't like Obamacare. :(
     
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    Sadly I agree prove the numbers I'm on Medicaid because my state determined I'm very low income and disabled to the point of being unemployable even for a part-time job ,that is on the finding I'm holding it, the state didn't expand Medicaid and I didn't get it because of the law. And it did force people off of their old plans and is costing some more for less access. Its a mess and I originally supported it I was also more studious on it than many.

    It can be fixed but it would require fundamental redesigning of the law.
     
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    Next time include me and those 20 million in the survey and the numbers will be different.


    By the way, thanks to Obamacare, insurance rates are going DOWN:



    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...op-in-uninsured-rate-because-of-nbsp-Medicaid



    The two states with the biggest drop in uninsured people among all states are Arkansas and Kentucky, Gallup reports. These two states that voted red in the 2012 presidential election—but which have Democratic governors—expanded Medicaid, and that made a tremendous difference in getting people insured. Add in Colorado, which also had a big drop, and as Greg Sargent points out, you've got three battleground Senate races for 2014.
    In Arkansas, the rate of uninsured dropped from 22.5 percent in 2013 to 12.4 percent now — a change of over 10 points.
    In Kentucky, it dropped from 20.4 percent to 11.9 percent — a change of 8.5 percent.

    In Colorado, it dropped from 17 percent to 11 percent — a change of six percent.

    In Arkansas, Rep. Tom Cotton has nothing but gibberish to add to the healthcare debate, refusing to answer clearly what he'd do to protect the people in his state that have so recently gained health insurance if his vision of repeal is realized. And Sen. Mitch McConnell is, if anything, even more incoherent on Kentucky's Obamcare program, Kynect.
    Seems like there's a pretty good opening there for Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) and Kentucky challenger Alison Lundergan Grimes. Their states demonstrate real success in this reform, and their Republican opponents want to take all those gains away.





    And that's the TRUTH!
     
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    Actually it couldn't happen to a more deserving Dem Party leadership as they were the ones who in 2008 fell all over one another to abandon Hillary Clinton for Barack Obama. So they EARNED their places at the political bottom of the party's scrap heap.
     
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    And TWICE won the general elections! ;)
     
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    The first time the bulk of the MSM pretty much openly campaigned for their Anointed One and the second time Hurricane Sandy allowed that same chronically in-the-tank-for-Obama Mainstream Media to falsely portray Barack as a competent, caring, leader. Both times, that was all it really took. Now you know.
     
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    Quite the contrary, the MSM, which had applauded Bush's war and dismal economic record, attacked Obama. Christie gave him a STRONG endorsement for saving his butt and saved the USA from the mess Bush created.
     
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    Hahahahaha! The most amusing part of that is that dead-ender type, increasingly bitter Obama supporters most likely believe that bizarre scenario; a scenario which has absolutely no connection to reality.
     
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    In defense of the reduction it was on the backs of taxpayers, I'm on Medicaid in Florida and likely will get SSI I know its taxpayers helping me but I'm disabled and determined unable to work. Many here do not oppose some help for disabled people but adding us is not the same as adding millions of people to a public welfare benefit. Down here I can see doctors and specialists but if they added 800,000 people it would hurt my access.

    Health care requires three things personal responsibility in my case I do what my doctors tell me to do to the best of my ability to stay as healthy as I can, actually ability to cover the patient I get it from taxpayers and others insurance or self-pay and access to providers to care for you an issue with Medicaid in many states.

    Medicaid is not free someone pays and am thankful the taxpayers through the government provides it.
     
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    You go Smartmoutwoman. At least you give credit when credit is due. Much as I have tried to make my comments factual and not political. But, the Progressives just can't seem to do that. They are true "sheeple" of the far left.
     
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    Well, if Harry Reid said it, you can take it to the bank that it's true.
     

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