Obamacare A Big Lie From The Start...

You do realize of course that the ACA has already been appealed to,the Supreme Court and found to be constitutional which means Itmis part of the enumerated powers.

 

As I said before you will get a discount from almost all doctors if you pay cash. But that discount if from the Four to five times the amount an individual without insurance is charged as compared to,what insurance companies pay for the same procedure. This also applies to hospital costs. The end result is an individual can negotiate all he want but will still pay way more than an insurance company pays.

Note though that I am not talking about having the procedures done and the just refusing to pay and then negotiating after the fact. This might get you lower end costs although I have no experience doing this.

As for your point about companies dropping health care coverage because of the ACA this was already happening prior to the ACA and was one of the reasons the number of uninsured was going up increasing the drive for action on the problem of the uninsured.

Ad for increasing costs etc, etc, all the data showing the driving forces behind the need for health care reform have been posted before.

 

And yet the cost was way less.So let's review the results. If I am willing to pay I can be seen quicker and pay less for what I want done relative to my same experience working within the government system. Additionally, I have had my government insurance refuse to agree to a doctor's visit because the reason I wanted to go was not life threatening.

 

You are confusing a few things. Five traitors on the Supreme Court found the ACA to be Constitutional in the same manner as earlier courts found slavery and later segregation to be Constitutional. Shall we return to slavery then?

If it is allowed by a delegated power tell me which one.

SECTION 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.​

 

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

The Congress has the power to tax, power to support laws enacting all the Amendments and I would add the 14th Amendment equal protection clause to economic equality which can be easily implied since its not specific to factors limiting where it applies. That is the same reason Gays can fight for marriage its sexual equality so why not economic equality and equality to access to health care. It might make a good argument in states and at the Federal level to get health care and economic enhancements for the poor.

 

only the part that approves the tax, not the whole thing

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the 14th A does not deal with income equality. That is strictly a Liberal posture.

 

No I meant economic equality just like other equalities when law is set if they give a corporate tax break I would argue a matching benefit go to society specifically those of the lower to middle classes, if they don't pay taxes on income from outside the USA neither should individuals income from outside the USA (that would likely force laws to change those protections) and if the wealthy and others have access to health care then so should the poor and that should be equal. Its clearly a Socialist amendment that could advance the principles of Marx-Lenin to attack parts of the Capitalist system.

Like I said this never have been used that way but Gay Marriage opened this up to other forms of equality including Economic and vital areas of the market like Health Care, Housing and so forth. Did anyone ever try it now when the door has been cracked open and if gays are allowed to marry at the Supreme Court level then Economic Equality the fundamental right of a citizen to equality in other areas should follow.

 

well, to be perfectly honest, I am not aware of any middle/poor income earners that can invest offshore....they usually don't have the access or income to invest.
Corporations never pay or pay so little income tax, it is passed on to the consumer through pricing.........

 

Still waiting for your "proof".

 

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if you like you insurance, you can keep it
if you like you doctor, you can keep him
it is absolutely free to the poor and downtrodden
yep

 

Do you understand what the foregoing powers means? If so point out the foregoing power. Bold the one you believe allows the federal government to enact a tyrannical, despotic law.

So it should be easy for you to point to the power in article 1 section 8 that allows all of this despotism. Which one is it?

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My proof was given. They took government money and turned out a propaganda report that you and other despots believe.

 

...and all other powers vested by this Constitution...

Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment (invested in the document by Constitutional Process)
... nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

A state as opposed to the Federal Government can obviously and must consider various equalities under the laws including economic since the 14th Amendment wording is wide open.

So say Florida they ,if laws favor the wealthy or hurts the poor, and not the wealthy then they must treat both equally. Since say a Corporation is now a person if they get big tax breaks which harm the poor for example that lost money takes away from other needs its clearly Unconstitutional. Congress therefore must enforce this at the Federal level by Constitutional Mandate that is the Equal Protection Clause.

 

Since you obviously consider yourself superior to the Supreme Court in the area of constitutional law I suspect any attempt to educate you will be futile.

 

So forgetting the fact that you don't understand the definition of negotiation why don't you just cancel your government insurance and do it all yourself. By the way what is government insurance. Are you on Medicade.

 

"Do you understand what the foregoing powers means? If so point out the foregoing power. Bold the one you believe allows the federal government to enact a tyrannical, despotic law."

Which enumerated power, or some other power are you claiming gives the federal government constitutional authority to tell one private citizen they must buy a product from another private citizen?

We have 50 states. Let's stick with the federal government as they are the despots. Do you believe that the Constitution supports Marxism?

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Negotiation results in an agreement acceptable to both parties. You are not very good at this are you?

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In other words you accept the words of tyrants over what is plainly written. Understood.

Since the supremes have upheld slavery and segregation shall we return to slavery?

 

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/08/26/3476127/arkansas/



Health care premiums for Obamacare policies in Arkansas will decrease by two percent on average in 2015, undermining conservative predictions of double or triple digit increases. The news come just a week after Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) released an ad touting his vote in favor of the law and Republicans in competitive Congressional races are spending less on political ads attacking it.
Premiums for the state’s private option Medicaid expansion will “essentially remain flat in comparison to 2014,” a release from the governor’s office reads. “This is an aggregate projection, meaning that some individual consumers will see a small increase in premiums, and others will see their costs drop more than two percent.” Before health reform was signed into law in 2010, premiums increased by an average of 10 percent a year.



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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...-Pressures-Austin-Over-ACA-Medicaid-Expansion



At an estimated population of over 4.3 million people, Harris County is the largest county in the state of Texas, and the third largest in the United States. In population, Harris County is actually larger than 24 states.

With those big numbers come big challenges, especially regarding healthcare costs. Thanks to the belligerence of Republicans in the Texas legislature, Harris County continues to shoulder a massive burden in uncompensated healthcare costs, while large counties in other states have access to new funds under the Affordable Care Act. Harris County Judge Ed Emmett, himself a Republican, is now speaking out to let Rick Perry and other Texas politicians know that the politics over the ACA cannot continue. Here’s the story from News92 FM…

Harris County taxpayers right now have to bear the entire cost of paying for indigent healthcare.
Judge Ed Emmett said the Affordable Care Act could help provide some relief.

Emmett said while certain people at the state can argue about the “benefits or detriments” of the Affordable Care Act, those are our tax dollars in Washington and state law makers need to find a way to bring them back to Texas.

“The tax dollars in Washington, those belong to people here too,” Emmett said. “And so those need to come back to the state of Texas to help us off set some of these property taxes.”

Emmett and other urban county judges from across the state, both Republicans and Democrats, have written to Texas lawmakers urging them to find a solution.

Emmett says during the last legislative session, Harris County missed out being reimbursed hundreds of millions of dollars.





ACA continues to save lives and money every day contrary to the lies of the far right.

 

Obamacare Hits 250,000 Virginians With Canceled Policies, Extends Opportunity To Buy More Expensive Ones


September 12, 2014 by Ben Bullard

Last year, U.S. wages and consumer spending fell, even as spending on healthcare costs increased. That’s got to be especially good news for the quarter million people in Virginia who are learning their existing health plans will be canceled this fall.

WVIR News in Charlottesville reported Wednesday that the cancellations fall in line with so many other policies nationwide that simply aren’t legal, because of their coverage options, under the one-size-fits-all Affordable Care Act.

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“Nearly a quarter million Virginians will have their current insurance plans cut this fall,” said the local anchor. “That is because many of them did not…are not following, I should say, new Affordable Care Act rules, so a chunk of the companies that offer those individuals their policies [will] make the individuals choose new policies.

“…This goes back to that now heavily-criticized line we heard before Obamacare was put in place: ‘If you like your plan, you can keep it,’” says a spot reporter. “Ultimately, that turned out not to be true for thousands of Virginians and companies in the commonwealth. …[A] staggering number of Virginians will need new plans this fall.”

Those plans will cost more — something insurers have known since at least May. Aside from increased premiums that will likely hit 15 percent on the high end, Obamacare’s metal-graded coverage tier system (platinum, gold, silver and bronze) relies heavily on out-of-pocket contributions that exceed what most canceled policyholders have had to pay prior to the healthcare law.

Here’s an interesting rundown of how out-of-pocket costs are changing, using 2015 rate filings from several states (including Virginia) to illustrate the difference. Hint: the structure is regressive. The costliest tier is also the most expensive out-of-pocket. And it also shares the greatest similarity, in terms of how thorough its coverage options are, to many of the canceled plans it’s supposed to be replacing.
http://personalliberty.com/obamacar...icies-extends-opportunity-buy-expensive-ones/

yep, Sure. It's working like a charm. separating citizens again from their current insurance.
If you like your plan, you can keep it.
If you like your doctor you can keep him.
Obiecare will not force you out of your current insurance plan.
And my favorite: You didn't build that!!!!!!!!
Obie has all the charm of a golf ball

 

None of those things matter. The goal is for government to control each citizens' health care. This marks the end of the beginning of the end of freedom in the US.
We are all spied upon every moment of our lives. We have a corrupt, criminal enterprise that can coerce every one of us to give it every financial detail of our lives. We have an effort by the federal government to nationalize our local police departments. We have seen the militarization of many, of not most, of the departments and agencies within the executive branch. Billions of bullets have been purchased for those departments. Why? Obama, early on said he needed his Brown-shirted, jack-booted thugs.

Obama's justice department is corrupt. It is a political weapon.

Many members of this board applaud this lawless, corrupt regime. If we cannot regain control this will have a bad ending.

 

Virginia did NOT expand Medicaid - that is why Virginia is suffering from loss of health care coverage:


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/09/08/3564665/mcauliffe-expands-medicaid-to-25000-virginians/



Virginia Governor Expands Health Care To 25,000 People In The Medicaid Coverage Gap




Months after losing the fight against Virginia Senate Republicans to expand Medicaid, Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) has unveiled a plan to insure 25,000 Virginians.
The plan uses $40 million in leftover state funds to expand coverage to those without insurance — particularly children of state employees and those struggling with mental health issues. A report detailing McAuliffe’s plan also highlights an increase in educational outreach and assistance to residents during the fall open enrollment period for the federal insurance marketplace.
Even though the plan takes steps to protect thousands of people without health insurance, many public officials, including Virginia Secretary of Health and Human Resources William A. Hazel, Jr., acknowledge that it doesn’t go far enough in fulfilling Gov. McAuliffe’s pledge to expand coverage to the nearly 400,000 Virginians who would be eligible for the Medicaid expansion.
“These initiatives are no substitute for Medicaid expansion,” said Hazel in a letter that appears in the report touted as A Healthy Virginia. “The need in our Commonwealth is great. Hundreds of thousands of our own citizens will continue to go without access to affordable health care until we close the coverage gap. This report introduces the initial critical steps that we can take to increase coverage, but it is only the beginning.”
Virginia counts among 20 states that haven’t expanded Medicaid, despite promises from the federal government to cover $2 billion in annual costs. Those affected by the coverage gap include low-income adults who fall between the current Medicaid eligibility level and the state poverty line. Experts say this demographic includes members that will avoid taking preventative health care measures to avoid medical expenses.
But they aren’t the only ones who feel the financial burden. As of August, the Commonwealth has lost more than $693 million in federal funding since deciding not to opt into expanded Medicaid on January 1.
Some say that McAuliffe’s recent move speaks to the gridlock in the General Assembly that has halted Medicaid expansion negotiations in recent months. In June, the Senate passed a budget without Medicaid expansion and removed language that members of the GOP thought would allow McAuliffe to expand Medicaid on his own. During a press conference on Monday, McAuliffe said that his plan developed during a review that Hazel conducted to determine what steps the governor could take to broaden Medicaid coverage without the General Assembly’s approval.
Brian Devine, director of online programs at local grassroots organization Progress VA, said that McAuliffe’s most recent course of action has breathed life into the fight for total Medicaid expansion.
“Gov. McAuliffe’s action is a big step in the right direction,” Devine told ThinkProgress in an email. “The main problem, in getting coverage to the uninsured Virginians who badly need it, is still the Republican legislators in the General Assembly, who will undoubtedly try to impede this as well, but given this political reality the Governor needs to and is doing everything he can on his own. It is also an opportunity to remind people that Speaker Howell and his fellow conservative lawmakers still have yet to offer an alternative Republican plan despite the looming special session that will begin on September 18th.”
“This shouldn’t be seen as something that can take the pressure off of the General Assembly,” Devine added. “We want more and will continue to push for more, but I’m extremely happy the Governor is being active despite the continued efforts of conservative legislators not to let anything get done whatsoever.”





Contrary to the lies and distortions of the far right, Virginia's health care failed because Republican obstructionists refused to expand Medicaid into their state. Therefore, the blame goes on Republicans, not on Obamacare.

 

omg....they join the growing number of states that are listening to the people and NOT you. thank God more and more people are waking up to the monstrosity that is Obiecare

 

LOL! Just the opposite = that's why 20,000 more people are getting government sponsored coverage.

 

Statements regarding the cost of PPACA prior to its passage was the first "lie". (Read the reports). Since its passage what was promised hasn't happened and they make more and more excuses for why it has not. But they knew what they promised was never going to happen, hence more lies. It was passed promising "affordable health insurance for all", big lie as that is nothing but farther from the truth.

Trying to blame States that didn't expand Medicaid is nothing more than another attempt to cover their behinds.

 

Here is a simple question for you. Which would you rather have control your health care, The government or the insurance companies? That is basically the choice the country faces. And I do recognize that the answer most people would prefer is their doctor but that really hasn't been a viable option for years.

 

Republican governor is using ACA success as part of his campaign:




Obamacare sea change: GOP governor boasts about ACA benefits


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/obamacare-sea-change-gop-governor-boasts-about-aca-benefits




Earlier this year, the Republican game plan for health care was pretty straightforward: attack “Obamacare” constantly, make it the centerpiece of the 2014 cycle, and wait for the inevitable victories to roll in.

The very idea that we’d see a Republican governor bragging about Affordable Care Act benefits – in the final stretch of a tough re-election campaign, no less – seemed hard to fathom. And yet, here we are (thanks to my colleague Nick Tuths for the heads-up).

Gov. Rick Snyder on Tuesday touted Michigan’s successful Medicaid expansion as part of his re-election bid, saying 63,000 more low-income adults have signed up than projected this year, with months left.

The Republican governor said about 385,000 enrolled between April, when the Healthy Michigan program launched, and Monday. His administration had expected 322,000 signups by year’s end.

“At that level, we’re adding over 9,000 patients a week,” Snyder said at an endorsement event at the Michigan State Medical Society, an East Lansing-based professional association of physicians. “It’s outstanding progress.”


Progress, that is, implementing a key element of President Obama’s signature domestic-policy achievement.

There are, of course, multiple angles to this. Michigan’s Eclectablog, for example, noted that local Tea Partiers are not at all pleased by the sight of a Republican governor bragging about ACA implementation. For that matter, local Democrats are eager to remind the state that Snyder was not initially an eager proponent of Medicaid expansion, and the governor’s delays cost the state money.

Rep. Mark Schauer (D), Snyder’s very competitive rival, said Michigan’s slow adoption of Medicaid expansion ended up costing the state roughly $600 million.

To be sure, these details matter. But I’m nevertheless struck by the broader political circumstances.

We’ve talked quite a bit lately about the changes in the prevailing winds surrounding the politics of health care, but I don’t think it’s fully sunk in for the political establishment just yet.

It was just earlier this year that the Affordable Care Act was perceived as a disaster of epic proportions. It would not only destroy Obama’s presidency, it was a Watergate-meets-Katrina catastrophe that threatened the very nature of progressive governance. For the GOP, running against “Obamacare” would be their first, second, and third priorities in the 2014 midterms.

But with 47 days to go before Election Day, one of the nation’s most vulnerable Republican governors is running on ACA benefits. Why? Because he sees it as a political winner.

As for Michigan Republicans’ hopes of using Schauer’s vote for the Affordable Care Act against him in the fall, that’s going to be awfully difficult now.





America wins with ACA!

 

nope, the traitors are losing ground....
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-obamacare-enrollment-20140918-story.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...dont-know-how-many-people-obamacare-enrolled/
nope. ot appears it is losing traction and that is a very good thing.
But still no numbers yet on those who have been forced at gunpoint to purchase substandard insurance when they were cancelled from their private insurance.
Hey, truthe, how many millionaires are buying this (*)(*)(*)(*)ing garbage?