Sandy Hook Commission Calls For Government Crackdown On Homeschools

Oh. Got it. So you'd have no problem with homeschooled students taking the state tests that are given to public school students, right? I mean, it should be a breeze. Right?

 

The left is so worried about the mental health of home schooled kids. Yet I can't find one example of home schooled kids running amuck. While there are several examples of liberal students killing others and kids raised in the liberal school systems. Yet the left wants us to worry about home schooled kids?
More left wing agenda driven hypocrites

 

homeschooled kids out-perform those kids exposed to public education.
They do better in college, better in self-starter business and progress faster as employees in business.
And I don't think I've ever heard of a homeschooler charging a school killing students and teachers.
Get over it...........
The home-schooled kids in Indiana often test out of highschool studies. At least their time isn't wasted on multi-cultural diversity programs designed to elevate another's culture over their own.
Yes, they tend to be conservative, but that only makes them realists.
Your real gripe, it might appear, is that they are better educated and you wish to pull them down with the rest of the diseased herd.

 

I was home schooled and consistently scored 90% on the Iowa Standardized Test.

So yes, it should be a breeze.

Testing is fine, however the school micromanaging every aspect of a families life is bull(*)(*)(*)(*). The state can (*)(*)(*)(*) off.

 

Taxcutter says:
Nobody has a problem with homeschooled kids taking the same standardized tests as public school students. I am completely confident that the homeschooled kids will easily out-perform the public school kids.

The problem is with unaccountable bureaucrats being empowered to decide kids are mentally ill without any test of any sort.

 

The OP makes this sound a bit slanted. It SEEMS to be referring only to children with specific, labeled behavioral problems, not to all homeschooled children. And it would be nice to know what the proposed regulations are, rather than just be told that they are "strict" and "burdensome". It sounds like real problem kids are falling through the educational cracks, not manageable in the schools and not learning at home. It might be nice to know that at least some effort is being made to help and educate these particular kids, who are very much the exception anyway.

 

Regarding both of those I have actually found the online sources to be superior to some of my professors. *SHOUT OUT*Khanacademy.com *SHOUT OUT* has been a lifesaver for me and currently I am using the Pearson site for homework and quizzes in my math and econ classes so even the professors realize that online stuff is useful. They have videos, animations and walkthroughs that you can watch or do as many times as needed in order to become proficient in an area. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than traditional textbooks in my opinion. In regards to Khanacademy the guy doing those videos is better than any of my professors.

 

Actually, the studies show that homeschoolers who are tested do better than their public schooled peers. The majority of homeschooled students aren't tested, so the comparision is invalid. The ones that are tested are the ones who's parents know they are doing a good job.

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I'm just talking about the types of standardized testing actually used in the schools today. For the most part, they require a lot of reading.

 

Well, the way I see the argument is that it suggests that we need to monitor homeschooling kids to keep them from being a Lanza. My point is that nothing about Lanza's case would have been helped by that. He was in public and private schools for at least 10 years.

Unless you view the labor of a parent to be worthless, most home schooling costs more than private schooling. People aren't homeschooling to save money. Lanza's mother was rich enough to live in a huge McMansion alone, based on the alimony/child support from the divorce from Lanza's father.

 

The whole point is that the populations aren't matched. For public schools, all the kids were looked at, regardless of income, background, etc. For homeschools (of the various types), the population is selected--income-wise, it takes a lot of extra money to homeschool (after all you're losing the labor value of one parent). Basically, what Alway is saying is that there are too many confounding variables, and more than likely, those homeschooled kids would have had the same scores in a public school.

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That's not what they do today.

 

The study that US News referred to looked at college GPA scores etc. Parents had no involvement with that. They simply picked a random sample and ran the numbers.

 

They accounted for income variables in the first study as well as separating structured from unstructured. Also, most kids that are homeschooled tended to be from rural backgrounds, hardly a cross section of rich people. This has changed in recent years as more and more people are switching to homeschooling.

The one thing that I hope comes of this is that more and more students will utilize online materials like Khanacademy which are infinitely superior to the average public school education. I just started using Rosetta Stone for my forner language requirement and it is markedly better than the traditional spanish classes I took in high school and the one year I took in college.

I think a lot of this is that many people may live in areas with good or at least average public schools and don't see any issues. They don't live in areas such as Milwaukee which has either the worst or second worst public school system in the entire country despite spending over $12,000 per student and is the fourth highest in the nation in per pupil spending. Because of the corruption and waste and frankly not giving a damn about the kids homeschooling might be the only alternative since not every kid gets a voucher here as it is a lottery system.

 

Well, given that Republicans seem to be working against public education most of the time, that doesn't leave too many options for support, does it?

From the link I posted earlier, Alabama has much stronger teacher union clout than any other Southern state, so maybe they could, legally, organize a walkout. But not here in Georgia.

 

As usual, you are 100% completely, totally wrong.

Christian bashing is old, boring, and has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. But since you brought it up, let me enlighten you. Christians advocate PRIVATE schools, not home schooling.

 

I could have sworn you said Georgia doesn't have teacher unions, period. Why, yes, you did say that:

For example, Georgia has no unions

 

Bummer. I was hoping you would take note of the explosion of Admins and staff (non-teachers) as a big problem in public education.

Anyhow, I think Repubs and Conservatives are in favor of school choice.

Even some Democrats in NY are in favor of school choice, despite Mayor de Blasio's actions.

 

Thank you for your uninformed opinion. I brought it up because I'VE BEEN THERE, attended the legislative sessions, Christian Coalition, and associated group meetings, and read the books for almost 40 years. I totally KNOW just WTF I'm talking about. I'll also point out that this isn't "bashing", but self defense against people who'd be very happy overturning our Constitution and turning us into a theocratic dictatorship.

 

When governments keep dumping more paperwork on school systems, just who exactly will do the work? Teachers? Don't think so. You want fewer admins and staffers? Fine, cut the paperwork.

Friend - "school choice" = code words for segregation academies (at least here in Georgia). Sorry, but that's the way it is.

 

So you read a book and went to a meeting...............

OK, then.

I totally KNOW just WTF I'm talking about because I'm a Christian and know a whole lot about Christians. Being one is slightly different than reading about one.

And yes, I went to private school. As did pretty much everyone I knew and associated with.

I can safely say Been There, Done That. You: Not so much.

You are entertaining, though.

 

"A" book? "A" meeting? Nice try at trying to minimize what I've done and learned over many years.

Aw, shucks. There you go again - projecting. See, friend Dale, I too am a Christian; graduated from a Catholic high school even. Onliest differences between us that I can see is that I learned to separate opinion from facts and think for myself. I also have a nasty habit of calling BULL(*)(*)(*)(*) when I smell it. Has gotten me into a lot of trouble over the years.

 

We can start with dissolving the NCLB act and the Dept of Education.

School choice does not always mean segregation. See NY as an example and other states as well. I yield the floor on GA, as I have not worked in a public school system in GA.

 

Ah yes, Common Core is so brilliant.

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It probably has to do more with the large number of illegal kids flooding the schools than anything else. That's because parents will seek other alternatives than public schools for their kids, including home schooling. As a consequence of that they will stop voting for school funding and the schools will run out of money to educate the illegal aliens. I've always voted "yes" on school funding issues even though I don't have kids. But those days are over and I will no longer vote "yes" on school bond issues. I didn't mind paying for the neighbors' kids but I'm not going to pay for the world's kids.

So by forcing homeschoolers to jump through all kinds of hoops the politicians are hoping that they will send their rugrats to the local schools and continue to fork over tax money to support them. That's what this is really about.

 

I semi agree with you, but will point out that is NOT the totality of how math is taught because students still have to memorize basic addition, subtraction and multiplication without jumping through those hoops. I mean, it is interesting and will definitely help students understand what is happening, but is also recognized as a rather roundabout way of solving a problem.

OK. Fine. What exactly do you plan to do with them, since they are already here and an awful lot of them are American citizens (mommy and/or daddy might be illegal, but the kid was born here)?

 

Something interesting that I found some time back and I wish I could find the book but it taught me how to add long columns and subtract large numbers in my head without carrying the one for subtraction and such. It is the way it used to be done my merchants and is completely different than both the way we were taught in school and common core and even quicker. In subtraction you actually go from left to right with three rules instead of right to left carrying anything.