URGENT: ISIS seizes 3rd largest military base in W. Iraq and takes tanks, hvy weapons

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  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    URGENT: ISIS seizes 3rd largest military base in W. Iraq and takes tanks, hvy weapons, supplies



    By Abdelhak Mamoun
    10-15-2014

    On Monday Iraqi military sources confirmed the fall of the military base of Hit, which includes a training camp and the base of the seventh division of the Iraqi army, after a major attack of the organization ISIS, using suicide car bombs and rocket-propelled grenades.

    The military sources said that “the organization ISIS attacked the army base in Hit, the third largest military bases in western Iraq, from several axes, and carried out a series of suicide attacks on the walls of the base by car bombs, as well as a missile attack lasted about an hour which led to the storming of the base after the withdrawal of the army from it. “

    In a related context, lieutenant colonel, Rahim Aljughaifi said that “ISIS have seized the contents of the base and the training camp, including tanks, heavy weapons, munitions and stores, as well as spare parts and different military supplies,” adding that “the army had requested help of the international coalition during the attack on the base, but the latter did not respond’, asserting the control of ISIS on the three towns surrounding the base.”


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    Hasn't Baghdad Barry recently said we are winning against ISIS? We now see that our habitual Liar in Chief has no intention of coming to the aid of Iraq, the Kurds, and the Christians caught in the middle of a War created by the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Obama's "Arab Spring". Bombing ISIS haphazardly without eyes on the ground is useless and ridiculous unless your using Apaches, and A-10'sand even there Forward Observers are a prerequisite to guide them to targets.
     
  2. Regular Joe

    Regular Joe Well-Known Member

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    We're broke. How long would you suggest that we babysit that culture? Until the whole idea of religious conflict passes from all mankind?
    Would you care to re-read the article you posted, and tell me please who abandoned their military base? Wouldn't any thinking army destroy everything on the way out, so the enemy couldn't use it?
    Helping the Iraqi army is like trying to teach a dog to drive a car.
     
  3. Just A Man

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    ISIS is on the march because our president, like Hitler, thinks he is a military strategist.
     
  4. Gatewood

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    All true, and on top of that it doesn't help that in 2008 and again in 2012 voters who should have known better put a Community Organizer inside the Oval Office to do a real president's work. Sigh . . . oh well, between having allowed ISIL to grow into a caliphate when the Left's Golfer-in-Chief could have stopped them cold a year ago and him still allowing potentially Ebola infected people from infection-ridden West African nations open access to the United States, it will probably be a cold day in all of hell before a Dem Party politician ever again becomes president.
     
  5. Regular Joe

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    I wish I could find something wrong with your post.
     
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    It's amazing how much liberals don't give a damn about those poor innocent people in Iraq who are going to be massacred NOW after complaining about it for 10 years.
     
  7. Tipper101

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    Okay, what the hell. Who withdraws from a base without first scuttling whatever useable materials have to be left behind? And who abandons a position after a mere hour of being attacked? Good god, these Iraqis are pathetic. This is like watching the entire 53-man team of the Denver Broncos go out on the field and get run over by the 11 man offense of the Jacksonville Jaguars. It just doesn't make any sense.
     
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    Don't underestimate the stupidity of the American voter
     
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    My prediction: we're not going to take ISIS out until Assad is out of power and we insert a US friendly ruler. Then we will deal with the other issue with a firmer hand. Until then we just have to make it look like we're trying while intentionally not pushing too hard. They're still our excuse to operate in the ME, after all, so as they grow and control more area, so too does our target range for US influence and the potential for further uprisings in Lebanon, Iran, northern Africa and other places.

    Remember the words of US General Wesley Clark regarding the US attacking 7 countries (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and three remaining are Lebanon, Sudan and Somalia). I would imagine much of the desire to do so is still in place if the fact that we hit the first 4 of those countries is any evidence. 2 minute clip of him describing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

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    I really believe that allowing them to march IS the strategy.
     
  10. Durandal

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    Has the useless Iraqi government at least paid for all that military equipment and training of ours that's now being handed over complete with pretty little bows to these ISI* jerks?

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    That's imperial talk.

    I take you acknowledge the US's global role, then.
     
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    LOL...of course. I don't believe this all happened by accident.
     
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    Its more amazing that many conservatives give more of a damn about "poor innocent people in Iraq" than about the "poor innocent people" in their own damn country.

    Always willing to help many around the world, but when it comes to their own backyard, those fellow americans in need are all lazy leeches intent on sucking the life blood out of hard working taxpayers.
     
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    The Iraqi Army is sooooo worthless.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it truly is amazing. where could all of those billions spent on arming and training them have gone to?
     
  15. Wehrwolfen

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    Wow, In that case would you say that leaving our 155mm howitzers, Abrams M1A tanks and other equipment, Humvees, and all that ammo there before we left in 2011 was a wise decision? Obviously the Iraqi army still had a lot of equipment left over by Saddam. The question remains, why was there such a big rush to leave and in the process leave all that important weaponry? Was the logistics of the withdrawal ill conceived? One has to ponder that question?
     
  16. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Therefore Obama has created a monster that may in fact devour it's creator.
     
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    And we continue to wait, and wait, and wait...until after our elections. Meanwhile ISIS continues to arm itself to the teeth.

    If our government does decide to send in ground troops in the future then I will be highly disappointed in the selfish actions of our elected officials. Our troops deserve better than to be sent to fight an enemy that we watched grow in size and strength and did nothing because our government cares more about their seats in office than the troops they send to war.

    I don't want to hear any excuses about this anymore. If our government sends ground troops in the future then they KNEW they were going to do it all along. That won't be a spur of the moment decision because of some "new and rapid developments" no matter what type of spin they try to pull.

    And if they planned on sending in our ground troops but watched and waited while ISIS grew in order to secure seats in office then each and every single one of them should be ashamed of themselves, publicly ridiculed, and fired.
     
  18. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unhappily I must admit that the invasion of Iraq to dethrone Saddam Hussein and his army has imposed a responsibility of America to see that Iraq remain safe from barbarous invaders like ISIS. The pentagon and other retired military experts all warned Obama that total withdrawal was dangerous. It was solely Obama's decision for total withdraw to keep his political supporters happy. We are now paying for it in spades.While Obama still refuses to come to the aid of the Iraqi's.
     
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    Thank you George Bush. Thank you Dick Cheney. Thank you Don Rumsfeld.

    You have the thanks of an entire nation.
     
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    Wow, way to revise history. Well first there was no huge rush, in fact we left at the pace set for us by George Bush. Also yes we rearmed the Iraqis. I'm sure there was plenty of outdated junk left that we didn't blow up and that they didn't destroy before running from it, but why would we not arm a nation that we are trying to turn into an ally in the region? Not our fault the Iraqis have no will to fight, though we should have known they wouldn't being that you can't just change a culture over night. I mean lets face it whatever side we back in these boondoggles is the weaker one (South Korea, South Vietnam, Iraq) and it's likely because they aren't coming from an organic place like the Reds and ISIS were/are.

    Here's a quick scenario: The Chinese take America and install their own backed leader, some ******** who is clearly a puppet. Who knows, maybe we even voted for a puppet just like we do with our modern elections. Now lets say that you joined the American Defence Force, whatever the puppet calls our military, and you have some nice equipment the Chinese gave you. Events in Canada have gotten out of hand and now there is a crazy right wing group running around murdering people and setting up an American Nation. They call themselves 'merca. When they come south are you going to fight them, these people who, while extremists, believe more like you do than the puppet government, or would you fight against them in the name of China? Unfortunately these aren't scenarios our government thinks about, nor do I think we care to. It seems to be more about power than anything else (being that almighty "wartime president"). Well maybe money; I guarantee the defense contractors don't mind one bit when we flush trillions in wars with random third world (*)(*)(*)(*)holes.

    Anyway I will say I wish I could have gotten one of those Glocks we gave them, those things were nice.
     
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    So, your solution to the problems that we caused by attempting regime change in Iraq is to attempt regime change in Syria?
     
  22. Regular Joe

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    Read the thread a little bit more thoroughly. We are attempting regime change in SEVEN countries.
    This "solution" is not proposed by SMD Bill. It's what your own lyin' eyes are witnessing.
    ISIS is our Pit Bull. We know he has rabies, and he attacks children, but that's what we trained him to do. We don't want to put him down until after he's done tearing up "a few things".
    I don't mean you or me when I say "we". I mean this is the US agenda, as we see it demonstrated.
     
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    Yes, deciding to honor a treaty signed by his predecessor and absolutely not open to renegotiation by the Iraqis is definitely Obama's fault.

    He should have gone back on the word of America and simply remained as occupiers.

    America screwed the pooch on its "responsibilities" in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Hundreds of billions urinated into the sand. Hundreds of thousands dead, mostly innocents. Disbanding the Iraqi army in fear of Baathists. Fostering sectarian war. The litany of mistakes is a long one that transcends partisanship.

    American jingoism at its worst.

    Funny but all those billions spent on new Iraqi military equipment (from American suppliers of course) and all that training and the army they left behind can't even defeat a rag tag bunch of amateurs. So much for the investment in equipment and training, too.
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There was no Treaty only Congress can ratify a Treaty. What Marxist country are you from?

    "The president can write treaties, but he cannot ratify them or in way make them binding without the consent of the U. S. Senate. Article II, section 2, of the Constitution states that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur."
     
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    Gosh, you make one mistake and people never forget it! :roll:

    ISIS is on the march because most Middle Eastern nations had borders drawn without concern for societies and cultures that already existed there. We can't really stop this sort of thing; as long as the culture and ideas exist, so will the conflict (although it wouldn't hurt to stop fueling the fire with weapons and the such).
     

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