Are We Doomed To Arctic Winters In America?

Turns out, this is not so unusual in the overall scheme of things.

The Hudson and Delaware Rivers freeze solid.
Winter is so long it shortens growing season to cause extensive hunger
Thousands die from winter cold.

None of these are current headlines! It is what was common from about 1300 until the late 1800's – The Mini Ice Age. Read about it @ http://www.eh-resources.org/timeline/timeline_lia.html

And, we are already seeing reports of massive climate problems in Europe. But, that is not going to stop the Climate Change hangers-on from screaming that we must do something or we will all die.

Read more of this @ http://www.popsci.com/article/science/are-we-doomed-arctic-winters-america

 

Didn't you hear, global warming causes cold now. It is hot somewhere in the world therefore we are freezing our hinies of here in the South East US

just a gut feeling on my part but I figure about 20 - 30 years before we get back to inching toward normal. Hopefully we are still in a interglacial and the warming will continue . Otherwise welcome to the ice age

 

I have read many books on our Founding Fathers and remember in these readings more than an a casual mention of severe winters in the 1700's.

 

I heard AGW accelerates extremes in climate change with a general trend towards warmer overall temperatures over the long term.

Of course if you listen to loony toons denialists then every unseasonably cold temperature proves AGW isn't happening. Putting more energy into the system makes all sorts of things happen including perhaps shoving arctic cold into more temperate zones. Guess what that does to the average temperature in these arctic zones.

 

Uncle Ferd says, "Yeah...

... is `cause o' dat polar shift...

... purt soon Miami gonna be the North Pole...

... an' the North Pole gonna be like Miami is now.

 

The general trend of temperature during the last 6 thousand years of our interglacial period has been downward. That is until recently. Now we have the temperature rising hyperbolically toward a new holocene record. I wonder why.

 

Minus the exaggeration Uncle Ferd might be on to something.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/11/14/3592039/arctic-outbreak-polar-vortex/

 

Current temperature variations inside the overall cooling trend are no larger or small than has happened before, and certainly aren't anything resembling an increasing hyperbolic. A clue for the mathematically challenged...hyperbolic declines or increase don't take breaks along the way, let alone reverse themselves.

 

I wonder worry about that much id I were you Dingo we are not even came close to the Holocene Climate Optimum which lasted almost 4000 years. Here ya go- this is from the University of Arizona's Climatology program. It is pretty obvious we nee to get another a half degree Celsius just to get back to where we were prior to the little ice age and that was a good half a degree or more cooler than the Optimum period. On the hyperbole I look at these graphs and see lots of spikes both up and down. 20th century warming was not unprecedented no matter what some like to claim

 

From Roman times until 1300, the weather was nice in Europe with an abundance of food that caused huge population growth. The found lots of people cramped together in cities that stunk so bad the reek reached the farmlands - also fertile grounds for massive diseases.

Then, when it turned so cold, the food season shortened and only the wealthy could afford the food - that was one of the causes of more deaths and rebellions. In fact, finding the New World was a huge outlet for the pressures.

Hans Brinker was a story about the times when even the sea froze solid in the Netherlands. Every major river in both North America and Europe froze solid for months at a time.

 

Arctic air warms 5 degrees.

that means it can travel further south.

 

So its getting colder because it is getting warmer......
I understand now......

 

Doomed? I don't know, have you ever had an Arctic winter?

Having been to the Arctic many times in winter, you would know, if you survived.

 

warmer air moves higher and travels further.

as the Arctic air goes from say -50 to -45 degrees, is climbs higher in the atmosphere and can travel further South.


yes, the Arctic air is getting warmer and can therefore move further.

its called "science". try it sometime.

 

Northern Italy has had a years rain in the last two weeks, and more forecast until next Wednesday. Floods, landslips, $ 200m damage so far.

 

much of the world's climate has gone haywire.

doesn't take a genius to see this.

 

that is just weather

 

No it takes a genius to see that the 24/7 news cycle hypes weather for ratings but when you actually look at the data there are no trends.

Fools look at the 24/7 news cycle and see trends.

 

Thag is not how an arctic breakout works. Nice try though how about instead of pure supposition you do some research.

 

that can't be, see that would mean the climate hasn't changed and all true climate deniers will tell you it has.

 

If there was warm water near CA, we wouldn't see this behavior, but the el nino didn't happen. So La nina it is, and it is normal!!!!!

 

this has to be one of the more amusing posts I have seen over here. It is funny watching people who have zero knowledge of atmospheric circulation patterns grasping straws to spread their religion

A simplified but actual cause for the current arctic blast is that Cyclone Juri threw the arctic oscillation off balance which pushed jetstream to the south shifting arctic air into the Northern US. So yes it was warm air that caused this but it was not caused be the warming of the arctic. Arctic sea ice coverage is higher this year than it has been in the last 9 years and 2014 is not over yet

 

As usual the mathematically challenged don't understand variation within rapid change. If it ain't linear it don't count with the denialist crowd. Oh yes, 2014 doesn't look like any part of a cooling trend to me nor does the temperature average of the previous 4 decades.

Strange to have to present the same graph ad nauseum to chronic denialists.




As for the recent hyperbolic temperature rise as distinguished from the rest of the holocene there is this.



One change I would make from an earlier post is I would substitute 8 thousand for 6 thousand years of general temperature drop(Try to understand long term denialists) that was now being subect to a hyperbolic change upwards.

 

www global warming art for a source ?

somehow I trust this image the University of AZ's climatology program a bit more



of course you can pick your proxy to prove pretty much anything you want to prove which is why I prefer figure 5 of this link where one line is a average of 29 data sets
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Holocene,Historicandrecentglobaltemperatures.pdf

 

You really must have looked hard to find something that old still online.

Other than the obvious error here (the placement of the "star" for current temperatures is totally wrong), there is this question: If 29 proxies are good, why not go all the way and take 79, as in Marcott et al.? Or 173 proxies, as in Anderson et. al.?



Maybe science is only believable when it gives you the answer you want?