Left vs Right in USA

Well, they are terrible human beings with an average IQ of 90 that want to micromanage everybody's lives. Hard not to find that annoying.

 

For one, left and right in the US is a total joke; there is no right and left. This is a liberal country with a conservative subset of liberalism. By the time the country was founded modern society was already shaping itself--liberalism was what was developed in the West, so that is what the US was founded on. Afterwards, once newly emerging left ideas started to arise in society, they were crushed everywhere, but in the US the left was completely destroyed.

As far as the hostility between liberals (today mainly Democrats) and their conservative cousins (Republicans), that is just a matter of how the game is set up. For one, it is basically a game; and secondly, the rules require playing as it is played (like games are generally). Asking that question is pretty much like asking why in football, even taking a random group of close individuals and dividing them arbitrarily into different teams, they will end up bitter toward one another and attempting to violently smash into each other at full force? That is the game and the nature of sport in general. Like the NFL, all US politics, can do is pretend that concussions are not part of the game, penalize violent play which is implicitly encouraged (helmet to helmet hits, etc.) and pretend, also, to not be in favor of things like people being paid even if specifically for injuring members of the opposite team.

Implicit in what I said is already why in America it can be worse. America was founded, built and populated with diversity, division and contradiction. So, unlike in some countries you can go to where there will be people with overwhelming historical similarities and lifestyles, over their long histories, the US wasn't developed in that same way.

 

Again who on Earth are you to tell me where I am placed within the political spectrum? I know what I believe. You don't.

If some elements of the right wing in America behave like plonkers and I point that out then that doesn't mean I'm leftish.

 

Speaking as an independent I very often wonder how many people genuinely side with one side on every issue or they just toe the party line? Why all or nothing? It's very problematic we can't seem to work together anymore.

 

A lot does have to do with language. It is important when debating an issue to define the terms used. If one side redefines terms outside of the commonly accepted definitions, then that side has won the debate before it begins.

The main problem with left versus right is that almost all on the left are not just wrong about almost everything, they are as wrong as wrong can be on every issue. On the issue of cops versus criminals, the left will side with the criminals. Government oppression through taxes, the left will always side with confiscating more taxes. On the right to defend oneself against violent criminals, they seide with the criminal. Supporting America's allies, they side with America's enemies. Killing unborn children, the left will opt for death over life. Welfare over self-sufficiency, war over peace, hate over love.

The left wants more government control of individual's lives, the right prefers self determination.

 

Way to put words in my mouth. What is "good" and "evil" are not always obvious. Some thinking may be required.

But pedophilia, of course, has nothing to do with the protests for civil rights. Instead, it was just a way to smear the protestors by associating them with the most vile act one can think of.

 

He doesn't think that. He cannot even begin to define it.

 

Talking about lefties right? I can't think of any human activity they don't want regulated can you?

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The women raped during occupy protests were not underage.

 

Give me an example.

How else is the government supposed to finance its activities? Taxes exist to help run the government and to help the public. Taxes finance schools, hospitals, road work, etc. If these are not financed by taxes then the private industry (or charities) will fulfil those needs.

Now are you comfortable with private corporations managing schools and hospitals where they put money above patients/students in order to make a profit?

Example?

Example?

How are poor families supposed to survive when they are paid low wages and when the cost of living is rising?

The right seems to pass on control to corporations.

 

Fergeson, Sanford, Occupy Wall St., Brooklyn, Mumia Jamal, Bill Ayres and Bernadine Dorn, the New Black Panthers... is that enough?

 

The same way it funded those things before income taxes.

As opposed to putting tax money above the welfare of the students, veterans, etc.?

Second amendment, Sanford, Fergeson.

Cuba, Palestine

The same way they did before welfare.

The left want more government control.

 

Explain one to me at least and what about them?. Understand that the entire world does not revolve around America.

And how did it do that?

Your point.

What about them?

More detail please.

Which is?

So? What is the purpose of this statement? Both sides want control. They just pass the control onto different entities.

 

We have always had two different ideologies when it comes to politics. But in the past, both were more apt to put the nation first, and to support whoever was elected. I saw this changing in 1981, when the repubs came back into power the conservatives, and in fighting to keep it they started really trying to divide the people, to bring more to their side, which America had not been since FDR. As time went on, we changed the way the news is presented, the conservatives got it changed, so that the news no longer was required to show both sides, and you could just show one side, your side. This poisoned the water, IMO. And propaganda replaced the news.

The division today is kept in place, with gas thrown on it by the media, for the oligarchs who took control after the conservative returned into power, want to keep the people as divided as possible, fighting one another, so they can continue on with their Corporate State. So, it's being used by the powers that be to their own advantage. Of course a divided nation will not stand but that fact doesn't matter, not when you have put into place a corporate state, and own all politicians.

We have not been this divided since the civil war. And it will only get worse, until we finally just implode. Only then will we see it to our advantage to work again together and to forget about the divisive ideological beliefs, when we are forced into it by implosion. This division comes human beings being tribal in nature, and instead of as in the past trying to keep that from happening, today there is an effort to insure that it happens, and that it continues. And the people divided are too stupid, and too involved in their fighting to see what is going on, and how they are being played. They no longer see themselves as fellow americans, but damned enemies. And it was not this way earlier in my life. I have watched it happen in my own life time, and it was birthed in 1981. Much of it was orchestrated by these treasonous conservatives in DC who got a taste of power again and will do whatever it takes to keep it, aided greatly by the oligarchs, who owns the republican party, and now even the democratic party.

 

It's an American thing.

 

Of course. You are not capable of addressing my points because you don't know what you are talking about.

 

I knew you'd appreciate having words in your mouth that make more sense than any words you ever put in your mouth.

To be sure - especially when the objective is to justify immoral behavior.

 

whenever i see someone trotting out the old right vs left garbage, i tend to let my eyes glaze over. when they start spouting the usual rhetoric about the right misinterpreting the left, any hope they had of being considered unbiased or centrist completely flies out the window. to begin with, the whole right/left paradigm is a false one. it's too easy to scoop baggage onto such inexact labels and paint entire ideologies with the broad brush of individual bias. just what is right and left? is fascism at the far end of the right, even though it shares so many ideological traits with socialism, which is on the other end of the spectrum entirely? no, right and left have relevance only to those who wish slander their opponents with nonsense. what is more to the point is whether the current definitions of conservatism and liberalism lean toward the authoritarian or the individualistic, whether they force the people into a mold or allow them to fit into society as they see fit.

 

What about defining the sides as total government control versus liberty?
(No government control would be anarchy which by definition is not a form of government, and should not be in the mix.)

Possibly a list of which camp wants more controls on citizens? Which camp believes their favored laws, properly applied, afford the most personal freedom and protection.

That might better define the two sides.

 

Nice dodging the question and kissing Amerikkka's ass at the exact same time, very classy.

 

So if black people can do everything all themselves, we didnt need to fight a war to free them? And after we did free them we should not have helped them one single (*)(*)(*)(*)ing bit even though they couldnt read? Clearly you are just making excuses not to help black people when you know they need our help because of how far we set them back by enslaving and oppressing them, its up to us now to reverse the damage conservatives have done to them.

 

According to even MSNBC they really did say that, but they were not part of the main group and they were a tiny offshoot group which is what it did look like,

"And yet, evidence shows the group that engaged in the death chant against police weren’t part of Millions March NYC. And if they did indeed march on Dec. 13, they did so long after the larger protest had moved downtown. They were not part of the main group. "
http://www.msnbc.com/the-reid-report/the-truth-about-the-dead-cops-chant

 

I'm am glad slavery ended, but what about all the Irish slaves in the early American history?

 

They turned their back on Africans so white people will accept them, now today we have Bill O'Rielly as a textbook example of this.

 

and Barry Obama on the other side of the coin.

 

but what is government and what is liberty? that imaginary dictatorship of the proletariat may rule with an iron hand, forcing the individual to bend to the will of the majority. an emperor may rule his subjects softly, yet still deny them the right of self-determination, that one right without which all others are insignificant.