Left vs Right in USA

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by MrSunday, Dec 23, 2014.

  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    there are more democrats in this country then republicans

    but of those that vote the country is divided almost 50\50

    both sides need to learn to be adults and get along......
     
  2. Daybreaker

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    Sex, drugs, rock & roll. Y'know, the stuff that righties want to regulate.

    Really we just want to regulate the economy on the macroeconomic scale. Rich people have brainwashed you into thinking this is a crime.
     
  3. Daybreaker

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    What about them?
     
  4. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Yes you want to regulate what people do for a living and control the money and get your corruption on. As for sex, yes you guys are OK with that as long as there are forms filled out in triplicate proving affirmative consent. You have passed more regulations against speech that I can name and try to ban political movies and their soundtracks that disagree with you (citizens united) as well as Tipper Goring up lyrics and V chipping people. You are big on drugs but you want to regulate it and profit from the sale too so that doesn't count. You are up to 0 so far.
     
  5. Daybreaker

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    Let me stop you there. How? How do I want to regulate what people do for a living?
     
  6. Xanadu

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    That's the trick of politics, to create two or more large parties and cause a 'war' between the two, to let one side 'win' (in the minds of the voter) Or the opposite of that process can happen when people find out how that works, than it can lead to unity, which does nearly the same as a left-right struggle. The result of politics is always the same, a majority that is going to be united (hierarchically) by using emotion (because politics is a revolutionary war. The end of politics does not mean the end of that revolutionary war, that process continues, because emotions do not drop, only when emotional levels in millions minds drop a revolution stops (end of 'war')

    Look at Germany at this moment, small movements start to form by years of fears over islam (20.000 protesters), anti-islam vs anti-racism (tv has raised emotional level in these protesters to a level that cannot drop very easy. Not a single individual of a movement can figure out they are part of an artificially created movement by years of fear and deception - people band together by emotion)
    The result of such movements can create a larger problem in politics, with exactly the same result as politically going on in the USA. Two camps ('left'-'right') that continue to struggle, or when they find out politics is deception, it can lead to a unification, or an awakening and anger and chaos, and revolts (the common story), or unification of a majority.

    History is always the same, the organisation of a majority (by emotions) A (new) hierarchy can be artificially created by raising emotional level in millions (can be reached or done in many ways, by tyranny or terror or both, by fear) Politics is a trap, shield and weapon all at the same time.
     
  7. NaturalBorn

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    The difference is here is the U.S. Constitutional Republic was supposed to be the first and still only example of the citizens as the sovereign, not a potentate, oligarchy or monarch. As designed, we control our own destiny. The failure in this design was us, their posterity, who were indoctrinated by antagonist foes to eschew the warning enured to us by the wise framers of this system of governance. This is no better exemplified than the quote attributed to Geo. Washington, "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." and of course John Adams warning, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other other."

    Unfortunately we now have a government that is not filled with nor governed by "moral and religious people". There is the root of our decline.
     
  8. ChristopherABrown

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    Who were those Americans that created left and right? Were they moral to divide the nation? Does God allow us to divide our populations and still survive on this world? Does God write down the ways of eternal living in order to create a reason to reject and divide people from one another?

    God is nature and God gave us a capacity to know natural law with each life for eternity. Listen to God, feel God.

    Listen, feel and look upon one another with love, then agree upon that eternal way. That works.
     
  9. doombug

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    LOL! Keep watching American politics.
     
  10. Unifier

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    Here's a brief summary. The Democrats have always been on the wrong side of human rights. They fought tirelessly to keep blacks as second class citizens for many, many years. And before that, they fought to keep them as property. But despite this tragic flaw, they were still generally pro-American with all of their other values. They loved the country, they loved God, they loved their families, and they believed in a solid work ethic and basic independence of the individual. But around World War II, a Marxist institution called the Frankfurt School fled Germany with the rise of Adolf Hitler and relocated to American shores. Once they got here, they began what was referred to by Saul Alinsky (I believe) as "the long march through the institutions." They infiltrated academia, the entertainment industry, and the media and slowly took them over from the inside. This brought about a gradual disconnect from American values and from the Constitution among the political left. By the 1960s, it had created the hippie generation which produced the first wave of Marxist extremism in the United States. Over the last 50 years, the American left has steadily drifted further and further outward toward the fringe. By their own admission, they are the ones doing all the moving. Which is why they call themselves "progressives" and routinely accuse the rest of us of being "afraid of change." So then it should be clearly ridiculous that they would accuse people on the right of becoming "extremists" for continuing to stand where we've always stood. The reality is that the left is standing on a boat that is drifting out to sea and the further away they drift, the further away the land looks.

    This is basically the American left/right conflict in a nutshell. One side continues to move further and further away from the founding values that the other side still believes in. And so every year, we find it harder and harder to coexist. Because we on the right simply want to preserve what we love. And they on the left grow more and more bent on destroying us.
     
  11. REPUBLICRAT

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    lol Oh the simple minded.
     
  12. Libhater

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    Seeing how your home country has decidedly turned to the leftist/socialist side of the spectrum, I don't find it surprising in the least that you would find anything coming from the pro American, Constitutionally sound, economically sound, Capitalistically driven, free market driven, pro military, anti illegal amnesty, pro family, pro GOD crowd of the right to be engaged in a misinterpretation of the miserable failures of this socialist driven administration these past 6 years.
     
  13. Ray9

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    From my experience as a citizen I see no left or right among the people. Most of what is labeled left or right is manufactured by mass media, education and the entertainment industry the majority of which have a vested interest in leaning more left than right at the moment. There was a big shift to the left in America beginning in 1964 when the War on Poverty was launched to address the growing alienation of blacks in society and the festering turmoil in urban centers from Mississippi to Los Angeles. This was the modern genesis of social central planning to produce outcomes desired by a tiny nucleus of intellectuals who saw the US Constitution and the liberty afforded average citizens to control their own destinies as an impediment to state control. This kinder, gentler manifestation of western communism was criticized by Daniel Patrick Moynahan, a trained social scientist and Assistant Secretary of Labor at the time because it caused citizens to voluntarily relinquish their liberties for the cheap security of welfare payments.

    Moynahan was right of course and the resulting explosion of single motherhood coupled with the related drop in married couples in the US bolsters his position and highlights the fact that his warning was ignored for the purpose of growing government and centralizing the power of the state over the individual. The current administration in America is not satisfied with the destruction they have brought on individual liberties and so they are now in the process of forcing the remaining self reliant citizens to pay for the healthcare of those who have freely chosen to give up their liberties by producing children out of wedlock and handing the government the bill. They have also done a masterful job of separating citizens into groups and pitting those groups against each other to create violence and bloodshed that justifies government intervention.

    You can imagine the reluctance self reliant, self sufficient and productive citizens feel as they see their liberties being taken away by leftist intellectuals in the background who control mindless goons like the current president. I hope this illuminates the issue for you.
     
  14. Lil Mike

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    That very question used to really bug me, but apparently people pick their political disposition by whatever group they're trying to fit in, rather than some dispassionate review of the issues.
     
  15. Pred

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    The Left tends to support criminals who were killed due to their own stupidity and lawlessness, ESPECIALLY if they're black. The right tends to support the police doing their jobs. FIXED for ya=) Maybe if people like yourself would defend GOOD people protecting your behind, instead of thugs who want to steal from your behind, people might take you serious. I think you need a nice thorough robbery or beating at the hands of some random thugs to bring you back to reality.
     
  16. Pred

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    Only obvious to racists who take any word and make it racist. Since I didn't mention a color, its obvious your brain works in racist ways. A THUG is a criminal who just so happens to be any color. That's MY definition. Good enough for ya? Probably not.

    But way to go and admit you have no argument by throwing the race card. Good job.
     
  17. Dale Cooper

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    Your middle two paragraphs show your complete and total lack of credibility.

    You don't question someone by insulting and attacking them.
     
  18. Meta777

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    It is not the job of police officers to go around executing people.
    And do you really think people like Garner, Martin, Crawford, Rice, and Ferrell are going to come to your house just to beat you up?
    What exactly makes you think that? Seriously,...do you even hear yourself?

    -Meta
     
  19. garyd

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    This thread is a damn near classic example of leftist distopia. You may call it by different names Mr. Sunday et al, but your argument at it's boilsheart down into the same exact simplistic argument of which you accuse yguy, that is good vs evil. You wrote four paragraphs in your opening post and the long and short can be boiled down to "Why can't those damn right wingers be more accommodating of leftist ideas? The chief problem with the left is two fold, the first is an almost complete inability to see itself as others see it, and the second is the tendency to define everyone but themselves as mad partisans.

    This is in the main a political website. Everyone here is a partisan of one particular set of political views or the other or they wouldn't be here. Frankly most people here though scarcely all take their views and their politics probably more seriously than they ought. There is, therefore going to be a good bit of rancor. To expect other wise is to walk around with your head firmly embedded where the light of day will never find it's way to your eyes.
     
  20. Arxael

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    It's ironic you say this when you are exhibiting the same thing being a righty. You think you are more self-righteous than some on the left when in fact you exhibit the same close-mindness as some of those you whine about on the left.

    Please show me where YOUR views are absolute in their righteousness.

    do me a favor though, if your proof is s bible that can't be confirmed as truth, don't even bother. There are books that say Elvis didn't die as well.
     
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    Please note I did not excuse myself when I said we are all partisans here, nor did I make any assertion that my views are absolute in their righteousness in fact the Bible that you decry argues that they cannot be. And by the way, your entire response is largely a confirmation of what I said.
     
  22. ChristopherABrown

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    With that kind of thinking you could be politically dyslexic, a good thing, because then none of the controversy interferes with the vital principals.
     
  23. Pred

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    Brown and Garner weren't executed by cops. Brown resisted then attacked a cop and got shot. Garner resisted arrest, after being arrested previously about 10+ times and died from being a fat slob more than anything. Semi tragic, since he didn't need to die, but he was still a scumbag. Ordinary people studying Jujitsu get choked out everyday while training and never die as do the athletes. Martin was trying to kill someone for cripes sake by slamming his head into the concrete!!!! Don't know the other names. But thugs rob people every day. Thugs execute each other every day. Thugs rob and shoot innocent people of ALL races every day.

    Cops certainly kill people accidentally, which is always a tragedy. They're not all innocent. But do you hear yourself? People like Brown, Garner and Trayvon are exactly like the type of people who beat people up and rob them or worse. Me? No. My neighborhood is pretty safe. It was a figure of speech. But go watch the news. Look at the latest mug shots of the latest arrests of the latest thugs. Plenty of them look just like Brown, Garner and Martin, ect. Its all statistics. Sad, but facts are facts.

    Stop DEFENDING the thugs. Stop empathizing with the losers. The cops invariably are on YOUR side. They're certainly always on mine, even when I get a speeding ticket which is the worst altercation I've ever been in or ever plan to be in....because I'm NOT a thug.
     
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    He is trolling. We see a lot of that on this board.
     
  25. Spiritus Libertatis

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    The Left Wing is a fringe in the US. The Cold War hardened most Americans against leftist thought that could lead to socialism or communist sympathy. In recent years more have cropped up (like those (*)(*)(*)(*)ing tumblrettes and social justice warriors) but it's not mainstream. America is a largely liberal country with a noticable right-wing tilt.
     

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