Palestinian terrorism in Tel-Aviv ( 20 Israeli citizens are wounded )

Israel is an apartheid state. It ethnic cleansed 100.000's of Arabs, and it goes forth with thieving their land because a massive huge percentage of the population politically supports it and participates with those warcrimes. That part of the population are terrorist and are valid targets to be taken out.

 

you forget that for Neo-Zionism, EVERY Muslim is a terrorist and military target.

 

Lose repeated wars of conquest and that is the result...

 

Yep, which explains the guiding logic underpinning the illegality of collective punishment.

 

In regards to 1, your comment is interesting considering Hamas has openly stated they deliberately target civilians in Israel.

Now put up or shut up. Provide the attacks on civilians in Israel that were intended only for military targets and accidentally hit civilians.

In regards to 2, Israel did not fire its rockets from Israeli homes, hospitals, schools, government buildings, synagogues nor does it deliberately place its civilians in harm's way so they will die as a deliberate tactic, Hamas does and admits to doing it.

Israel gave a warning before firing as well unlike Hamas.

Of course your response is expected and what is hilarious is that Hamas admits what you won't. At least deny something Hamas does not admit if you want to engage in Hamas cheer leading.

 

So can you please explain the tactics the Americans used against the British in the War of Independence that Hamas uses.

 

what do you think Israel was?

and btw, Hertzl argued that a Jewish state in Palestine would be good for European interests in the region.

 

In the 1896 pamphlet called The State of the Jews, Herzl called for a Jewish state to be set up in an undeveloped country outside Europe. Herzl was explicit that the programme could be carried out only with the backing of one of the major imperialist powers, who were at that time carving up the world between them. Once such support had been won, the Zionist movement would conduct itself like other colonizing ventures.

Various sites for the new state were considered, including Argentina and Madagascar, but the influence of religious Jews led the Zionists to decide on Palestine, the Biblical "promised land."

Herzl declared that, if it were created, this Jewish state would form "a portion of the rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism."

(Quoted in Maxime Rodinson, Israel and the Arabs (Hardmondsworth, England: Penguin Books, 1973, p. 14).

In other words, the new state would be part of the system of colonial domination of the rest of the world.

Having chosen Palestine, the Zionist movement attempted to persuade one of the imperialist powers to give them support in colonizing it. Initially, Turkey and Germany were approached. According to one Zionist spokesperson,

"Turkey can be convinced that it will be important for her to have in Palestine and Syria a strong and well-organized group which…will resist any attack on the authority of the Sultan and defend his authority with all its might."

(Quoted in Ralph Schoenman, The Hidden History of Zionism, San Francisco, 198.

Similar advances were made to Germany.

The founders of Zionism were even prepared to ally themselves with the most vicious anti-Semites. Herzl approached Count Von Plehve, the sponsor of the worst anti-Jewish pogroms in Russia: "Help me to reach the land sooner and the revolt [against Tsarist rule] will end."

Herzl and other Zionist leaders offered to help guarantee Tsarist interests in Palestine and to rid Eastern Europe and Russia of those "noxious and subversive Anarcho-Bolshevik Jews"–in other words, to get rid of the people who wanted to fight anti-Semitism rather than capitulate to it. Von Plehve agreed to finance the Zionist movement as a way of countering socialist opposition to the Tsar:

"The Jews have been joining the revolutionary parties. We were sympathetic to your Zionist movement as long as it worked toward emigration. You don’t have to justify the movement to me. You are preaching to a convert."

(See Andre Chouraqui, The Life of Theodor Herzl, Jerusalem: Keter Books, 1970, p. 230, for an account of Herzl’s meeting with Plehve).

When Britain took control of Palestine at the end of the First World War, Zionists turned their attention to lobbying the British government. The Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann argued, "A Jewish Palestine would be a safeguard to England, in particular in respect to the Suez Canal."

(Quoted in Nathan Weinstock, Zionism: False Messiah, London: Pluto Press, 1989, p. 96).

This argument became increasingly attractive to the British ruling class. The war had underlined the importance of the Middle East, which guarded the sea routes to the Far East and contained the immensely profitable and strategically vital Persian oil fields.

Do you want me to go on?

 

I did not call you a Zionist pig, nor did I insult you in any way, so stop lying. My exact words were "...your Zionist pigs" so by all means report away. I also did not mention stealing land in Gaza, but I note your deflection. Zionist lunatics are stealing Palestinian land in the Occupied Territories. Deny that.

 

This was the guy who altered your posts in order to misrepresent you. He's misrepresenting you again, clearly because he has an agenda.

 

And he's stupid enough to think I wouldn't notice. Hasbara needs a new propagandist; this one obviously doesn't understand the rules!

 

terrorism against Israelis would stop, when Israelis stop stealing land and shooting fishermen.

 

Every single unilateral israeli withdrawal/concession has been "reciprocated" by immediate and very significant increase in terrorist activity against Israel.

 

I say to that...
You do not listen to the cacophony of murderers and assassins then lose your country,
but you eliminate the enemy (murderers and assassins) and keep it forever.

 

Where did you study history?

This generalization is simply anti-historical. Even among who fought the Romans there were Jews who changed side [you should have heard about Josephus יוסף בן מתתיהו... the former Jewish leader who became a Roman historian ...]

 

No. Are you denying Jewish ambition and their arrival from Europe? Did these Arabs attack the Jews in bern in 1888?

Are you aware that that ambition was and is rightful and logical as no one else in world history has ever agreed to partition their land is a foreign people? Are you aware that it was Israel that started and caused each of these wars?

If my claim is bogus then why did they settle it? Something forced them to settle?
They left the Sinai under the same terms they had been offered because of the 73 war. They did not leave out of the goodness of their hearts.

Yes. There were push and pull factors. Mostly they left after each successive israeli attack.

We've been over this stuff before. Duh.

 

True. It's funny how the media almost always paint what they perceive to be "worthy victims" of violence as that undertaken by what they perceive to be "terrorists" during incidences when it's the unofficial enemy who happen to be committing the said acts of violence. When one grasps the truism of this statement one is able to understand that terrorism is used largely as an abstraction - an ideological tool - when used in the hands of a media that is inherently biased against the official enemy in question. Thus, the question as to which of the two epithets - either "war" or "terrorism" - is preferred comes down to which team the media (and by extension, the government) support. Peter Ustinov nailed it when he said:

"War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful, and terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."

 

No it hasn't.

 

The unilateral withdrawal from Lebanon led to the barrage of Katyusha rockets, terrorism and kidnappings of Israeli citizens inside Israel. The unilateral withdrawal from Gaza led to the barrage of Kassam rockets, tunnels, kidnappings of Israeli citizens inside Israel and terrorism. Duh

 

Don't be silly. Of course they hit civilians. And of course they admit that. never said otherwise.

Tell me. IF their rockets landed on a tank would you say they targeted the tank?

Israel does indeed place it's civilians in harm's way every day. Some 200000 in the west bank in fact. It doesn't fire from houses now because it doesn't need to but it certainly used to. In fact during the intifada it fired routinely from civilians houses it took over.

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What did the withdrawal from Egypt and the West Bank lead to?

 

If I were to tell you where the IOF operated from during the last conflict (ie latest stage in Israel's ethnic cleansing strategy), you might be surprised.

 

I said unilateral Israeli concessions and withdrawals lead to significant increase of terrorism. Do pay attention mate.

 

ethnic cleansing is a war crime, and would lead to Israel's total isolation and/or destruction.

 

The government of Gaza - Hamas is openly committed to ethnic cleansing of Jews from Palestine although they would prefer genocide.... The governments of all arab countries ethnically cleansed their Jewish population..... When are they going to be court marshalled to the ICC and tried, when will they start paying reparations?

 

Most Arab states issued no evacuation order to their Jews.