GOP's 20-Week abortion bans are devastating for women like me....

I don't think that would be medically possible. Try something else.

 

So for you it's basically a cafeteria style choice of how valuable life is.

 

It was for you, if you think condoms are effective birth control.

Abstinence only sex ed is a conservative thing.

Pro-choicers don't have anyone "go through abortions." Choice means a woman can make her own decisions about her own body.

A fertilized egg is a kid??? Actually it's a potential kid, or two or more potential kids. But the majority of them are never anything more than a fertilized egg.

NOT providing free and low cost contraception is moronic and wasteful. It costs 4 times more to pay for a child's welfare than is does to provide contraception.

No, THIS is classism:

. Did you forget you said that?

A CONDOM IS NOT A SEX LIFE.

 

I think the bolded shows where you're coming from, and saves me time. A "right" to someone elses time and expertise. To make it more amusing, your stance is that this imagined "right" takes precedence over anothers legitimate right to exist.

Pretty funny.

 

When the choices on that menu are Murder, or No Crime.....the value of each should be obvious to all.

 

OK, you can't address all my points so we'll discuss this one.

You contend that if someone attacks you and causes you harm you have NO right to fight back.



You believe that if you take a risk, hiking in grizzly country, crossing a busy street, you have no right to aid if you are harmed.

 

I've yet to hear a fetus publicly protest being aborted; have you?

 

While rightwingers put that price at.....the price of a barrel of oil out of Iraq.

 

Condoms are 98% effective so yea, I would say that is effective enough to be effectively described as effective.

And Ive never said people should be abstinent sooooo whats your point, exactly?

Its human life....human egg, fertilized by human sperm....thats human life. And I already said I dont give a (*)(*)(*)(*) if abortion is legal or not so get off my back.

No its not. Pay for your own sex life. I should have to pay for someone elses sex life, and I shouldnt have to pay for the RESULT of someone elses sex life.

Thanks for the reminder, that was brilliant an on point by me. But whats new?

Ive used them consistently and lookie here, no kids. MOD EDIT - Rule 3

 

Isn't it funny how the Feminists will now attack the use of condoms, when in fact they were the ones who advocated for sexual education and knowledge of their bodies? I guess, it's only *certain* types of knowledge that's really important and the rest can be discarded if it doesn't advance the agenda. Condoms should in fact be free and available(I think in the ACA's provision they are. Not that they're expensive mind you, but just to eliminate any excuse NOT to use them)

You don't fall in love easily and you sure as hell don't trust other people easily. Why then, should people consumerate as though they're at a deeper place than they really are? Men should always use condoms until they think their relationship is at a place where it can actually last. Feminism has allowed for the single-parent families, the way we overcome this new found limitation on mankind is to use protection.

The difference between our two sexes in America, IMO is that females realize and use(to their advantage) sexual politics. We, men, largely do not. If we organize, we organize in labor only(and yes, sports is a kind of labor. They're being paid at the highest levels, aren't they?) Ironically, for a woman there's no better financial benefit than a child. Since thanks to the Courts they'll have some form of extra income one way or another.

So for a woman, a condom is the greatest pain(not even referencing to the sexual pleasure or lackthereof). The condom equalizes it out, it steals away her value as a woman. If we look at ejaculation as a form of investment it should only make sense to invest in the right partner. The condom only comes off when she proves herself worthy of it coming off. Do you invest in a weak, falling stock?

Society will not value a man's testicles in the same way it values a woman's womb. Never has, and never will. So it's up to us on an individual level to value them the same way. If we can't do this sexually, we can at least do this by putting on a piece of rubber. Every time a woman's ovaries clamor for your release in bed, it just goes seamlessly in the condom. What'll this do?

The woman will begin to ask how to take the relationship to the next level. She will finally address your fears, since otherwise she can't cash in on the personal sperm bank that's you. In my case, I'll tell her. "It's a fact that I'm at a sexual disadvantage when it comes to law. I want you to eliminate that fear in my heart, and assure me that we're one and the same in this relationship." When a woman makes it known to me that she'll be my faithful and loyal wife, then I can safely be a faithful and loyal husband without worrying about my bank account becoming an "asset".

 

A bucket load of hyperbole too nuts to address but here's a corker:

""Ironically, for a woman there's no better financial benefit than a child""

Guess you don't know many women ( and I can see why if money is your only concern in a relationship)........ you don't know women now have jobs and earn money (and have for many many years,,,did you know this is the 21st century?)..... you look at women as nothing more than incubators....




"""" When a woman makes it known to me that she'll be my faithful and loyal wife, then I can safely be a faithful and loyal husband """""


For how long? The divorce rate is about 50%


Got anything to say on abortion or the actual topic (which isn't "whining about women".)

 

Please don't try to interpret my views for me, it's somewhere out of your league. If I looked at women as merely incubators, I wouldn't bother thinking about a relationship. I'd just adopt a child and call it a day. Of course, giving you something of a nugget the reason why adoption isn't a popular option is the natural psychological desire to continue the family bloodline. And while it's not that child's fault and certainly the child can be entitled to the family name but the child simply isn't of one's own family kin.

If I were to think in 19th century terms, I'd hate to tell you the honest truth but a child was more important to a man than a woman(if he had to pick). But if he really had his preference, he'd have both. Today, he often has neither. And it's the way Liberals want it, we're "overpopulated" after all. You're selfish if you want to start a family. Isn't that how it goes?

Yes, women do have jobs and yes they earn money. Often, however, for both genders single-income isn't enough(even with lower house taxes as a result of your singleness. ). This is the reason why couples are largely formed, yesterday, today and tomorrow. I'm not ignorant of Sexual Politics. There's one distinctive difference between men and women in relationships.

Yes, I do care about my money. I care about my house, my car, my credit. All of the above. Because in the grandest of hypocrisies of a divorce, while you the woman want to divorce a male, you often want to keep his Family Name and therefore the Title thereof. It rarely, if ever goes the other way around. Because the Courts see you, the woman as inferior. That inferiority complex has been gamed to allow a female supremacy that we just don't talk about.

The relationship, in all irony has become parasitical. The woman of course is the parasite, draining the man of everything he has ever earned and worked for. Since it's no longer exclusively "his" possession. Then you get to hook onto another idiot, and drain him of his resources. And so the process goes on.

For men, it doesn't quite work that way(for starters, since the court would rarely rule in that favor much less consecutively.) All cheating does for men, is an outlet(from a possibly bad relationship.) Unlike you, he gets nothing from it. What financial or political motive do we have to cheat? What do we gain?

Outside of that outlet, nil. Unlike for women, it's not a productive enterprise. So how can you say a child is not your greatest financial weapon? Your greatest financial asset? Here's the real truth: Women do not want men to know about Sexual Politics. They don't want men to know that sex goes beyond the love and fairy tales. That your very life is at stake, depending on the person you sleep with. Men are docile sheep to the slaughter that countless of women have performed since the 1980's.

Rolling Stone happened, because of our weakness. You dislike me Fox, not because of my politics but because of what they represent: A man who knows the system. A man who speaks like a Feminist for Men. A man like me, is your greatest fear. I'm the type who'll propose laws that'll equal things out. The old saying goes "All is fair in love and war."

It's only right for Men to start using Sexual Politics against women. Condoms are our greatest weapon in the fight for equality. It deprives you of your ultimate financial weapon. And if enough men start thinking like this, women will recalculate where they stand and will actually be reasonable for once. A child is a woman's nuke. If we have the power to keep her from nuking us, we should use it.

 

Ohhhh that divorce must've really hurt ! :0


And now: The Evil That is Woman...wahhhh wahhhh wahhh....



Care to discuss the topic or just need an outlet for your bitterness.......

 

Condoms are 98% effective when used consistently and correctly. In typical use, 86% effective.

Then why are you spreading pro-life talking points? The sperm and egg are human life, that isn't a reason for protecting them. If you don't care about abortion, why are you posting in the abortion forum?

Oh yes it is--it's 4 times cheaper: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/09_HPU19.3Frost.pdf

Good people, civilized people, don't allow a baby to starve once its born. Do you think I like the things conservative lawmakers spend tax dollars on? Not at all, but once we pay our taxes, the money is no longer ours.

Or when you can't get laid.

 

Thankfully, haven't gone through one. But reading enough of the stories tells me all I need to know about typical women in this country. I'm playing Russian Roulette and depending on the dice roll, I'll get screwed. Knowing that, and knowing how you game the system why would I be stupid enough to willingly participate? If men gamed the system the same way, you'd feel just how I feel. But women have never had that fear, even in the "patriarchy days".

It's easy enough for me to abstain(and I have), but what about my future son(if I have one)? Am I just going to sit here, and let him develop in a world that sees him as a second pocketbook? No, for his sake I'll sooner tear this system down to shreds, the feminists's bitter tears be damned. Same too, for holding kinship with my fellow men brethren. Am I just going to watch them get used and abused by parasites? Hell no. I'll stand and fight, even if I'm the only one fighting.

Females have always been valued more, and now it's become completely and totally unacceptable. Especially in the name of "equality". Now, I want to see real equality. I'm not your lesser half, and you're not my lesser half either. We're two halves of the same component. Using biblical analogy, Eve was made out of Adam's ribs. It goes the same way. Since Eve is of Adam, Adam is of Eve.

Originally, we were supposed to compliment each other happily. But now that we're both trying to monopolize power, this is what becomes of our relationships. And it's extended down to the children(abortion). Now, in today's world a relationship is a fiction. The dream is a fairy tale, a lie. I've become too shaded by reality to believe in Romeo X Juliet.

 

So how DO you feel about those Republican women stopping yet another attack on women's right to an abortion.......??? Ya , know the TOPIC.


If you want to whine about women , write a book.....

 

I don't think women have the right to abortion. I don't think men have a right to it either. I think it's a gross violation of Humanism and of the child's right to life. Who are we to decide who and when a person should be born? Who are we to decide if it'd convenience us or not? We don't have that right. Us assuming that right is more arrogant hubris, that'll be our undoing.

Unlike the Animal Kingdom, there's nothing in our human biology that threatens us. Except other human beings. Realizing that fact, we should move towards strengthening the human race to even greater heights. Instead, we try to bring to ourselves the one vulnerability that shouldn't even exist. For what reason? I don't know. Selfishness is the lazy answer, but I'm sure there's more to it.

 

So if a woman would DIE giving birth....you'd deny her the right to an abortion minutes after conception?

 

I've voiced my support for Medical Abortion, seeing as all relevant statistics put complicated births at all of 1%. Human Life is what's valuable, and if Human Life is compromised we have all the due diligence to save it. It might surprise the Liberals but we really aren't in the 1970's anymore. Gals have more jobs/degrees than they can count. And our medical/science community has come a REAL long way since that time.

And guess what? Unlike political pundits, scientists don't rest. Even as we speak, they're continuing the great work of pushing forward new answers to complex problems, to bring us closer to our full potential as a human species.

Medical Abortion shouldn't be seen in the same lines of Traditional Abortion. While the President brags about lowered abortion rates, how much lower would they be if we limited abortion to only emergency uses? Incredibly lower. So much lower you wouldn't believe. And yes, we'd be healthier, more populous and more productive for it.

Is it not without coincidence that the baby boomers were the wealthiest generation of their time? There is no coincidence. Productivity brings richness. Wholeness brings happiness. What was once commonly accepted fact, has been attacked by the Left.