Fcc approves net neutrality plan to control internet access

We've had net neutrality for over a decade. Nothing is changing, so calm down. All this means is that ISPs are not allowed to intentionally slow down certain kinds of traffic.

See? Nothing to worry about.

 

Except that now the government is controlling it. And if we had it already, then why the does the fed need to fix something that isn't broken? Would it have anything to do with Soros and the Ford Foundation?

 

Thank you very much for your condescending bull(*)(*)(*)(*) comment. If you think this is the end of what the feds will inflict on the web and how it will impact the cost,... I feel sorry for you. Wake up and smell the upcoming regulations and the ones you don't yet know about.

 

You mistake regulations for controlling. Two different things. The government of China controls their internet; the United States government regulates the internet. Major difference.

 

But calling it a utility gives the government the right to take full control when it see fit does it not?

 

So what you are saying is that rules made to regulate the internet are just say....guidelines? That these new regulations don't really have to be followed if they don't want to? Different words, same results....

 

I understand there are over three hundred pages of regulations now that the internet is brought under the direction of the federal government ("broad regulatory powers" it says http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...t-neutrality-vote-heres-what-you-need-to-know).

So it's not exactly like it's been over the last decade, is it?

 

What you're missing is the definition of the word, "regulate."

 

That seems to have nothing to do with the topic and at least the way I'm viewing it, is irrelevant. The internet is now a necessity, so the government should control every aspect of it?

You're putting a lot of faith in secret regulations. I hope you'll be happy with them when they're finally released.

 

I'm new this forum as you can see from my post count. One of the great features of this board is the ability to look up all of the previous posts made by a user. In looking through previous posts this seems to be your MO, blame the other person for his lack or understanding and/or education. Good luck with that dude. I hope it works for you.

If you don't think pricing has the ability to "regulate" then right on. Webster disagrees.

 

1.) Yep
2.) Nope, and that's not what NN is about. Some how I think you know that, and you're just being a contrarian.
3.) logical fallacy

 

Really? And what is "net neutrality"? Have you read those 320+ pages the FCC passed, the same 320+ pages the FCC refused to release to the public? Does it take 320 pages to say "one price schedule for everyone, no playing favourites"?

All you have is PR and promises from the same people that have lied about everything. You have no idea what was passed by the FCC.

 

So what is NN about and how will it be policed?

 

Is that the extent of your knowledge of how regulations are written?

Do you think it's workable to write regulations that are supposed to cover thousands of different applications under different circumstances in just two sentences?

In terms of government regulations, 320 pages is nothing. That constitutes a short and minimalist document.

Lied about everything? Do you have any evidence of that?

 

Whatever people think net neutrality is, what it actually is happens to be contained in a 300 plus page document that is still secret. I love the openness of this process. After being denied both by Congress and the courts, the FCC writes secret regulations, and the chairman refuses to appear before Congress. In the past week, I've been told on this forum that net neutality will do everything from lower prices and increase internet speeds, to brighten teeth and increase happiness. I see a bunch of rubes being manipulated.

 

Yes its certainly possible. The US Constitution - 4 pages including signatures.

But lets pretend the entire 320+ pages is solely about what you think net neutrality is - why do they keep it secret? They released the 99 page draft last May, but the Democrat Chairman refused to release the 320 page final. Why? If its just about what you think it is, its a winner to release it. But if its not just "net neutrality", then releasing it would be a terrible idea.

You can keep your doctor....

We don't monitor your email........

Benghazi was all about a video......

Lois Lerners IRS emails are gone forever.....

Shall I keep gong?

 

Actually an excellent case in point; it's absolutely useless as actual regulation. The constitution needs to be accompanied by an almost endless amount of legislation. It's so poorly worded that whenever someone proposes any kind of government action, regulation or legislation nobody can ever decide whether it's constitutional or not.

This is exactly the kind of situation you get if you skimp on elaboration.

Probably down to some kind of rules preventing authorities from releasing such documents still part of active action or some such.

Those don't seem like they have anything to do with the FCC. Are you absolutely sure that those things were stated by the FCC?

 

I don't like governments, but I trust them more than corporations. The government can be swayed because at some level it's controlled by citizens, citizens that want the best. Corporations, however, want to bend me over, ride me dry and demand my entire paycheck afterward, thinking they've done me a service

 

lol You are completely wrong. Couldn't be more wrong. That's okay.

 

The Constitution defined an entire government in 4 pages. The massive amount of legislation and court rulings we have is because people did not follow the Constitution, but followed legal precedent and legislative deference. That means with each law and court ruling the system inched away from the Constitution, the farther adrift the system went the more new territory it has to develop.

For example, look at Kelo vs New London, the SCOTUS ruled against Kelo and declared a government could use eminent domain to take private property from one person and give it to another person (New London took Kelo's house and gave the land to a mall developer). SCOTUS thought it was perfectly logical and reasonable - it was the next logical step from 20 years of preceding case law. But the regular people went crazy, it was clearly unconstitutional and turned property rights on its head.

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My example are not FCC related, they are related to this administration - which the FCC is a part of. No regulatory office - not the ATF, EPA, IRS, OSHA, or FCC - is independent of obama and his minions. The FCC chairman is a minion of obama. They all operate on the "ends justify the means", they all lie.

Think about it, why would all those regulatory agencies be abused by obama, but the FCC remain immune and independent?

 

...controlled by citizens...? send me the stuff you are smoking. Special interests and political contributors run the government. And many of those contributors are the corporations. So if you think the government is not riding you, you need to take a closer look over your shoulder.

 

At some level. We can influence it somehow. We have more power over it than we do over corporations.

The internet is going to end up being a utility inner day anyway. Like water or electricity.

 

It has ZERO to do with free speech and everything to do with giving those that pay for the service equal band width. Now back to whatever conspiracy theory is popular at the moment.

 

Nope, not suggestions (guidelines); they are rules meant to be followed, just as traffic laws are and both necessary for very good reasons. However, what is being regulated is not content which seems to be the over-hyped fear on the right.

 

Traffic laws are passed by legislatures. Rules and regulations are passed and enforce by uncontrolled bureaucrats. Consider, Obamacare. Legislators passed a 2,000 page bill they didn't read and since then the king has changed the law without congressional approval whenever he wanted to and the bureaucrats have written over 10,000 pages of regulations. It is madness.