"I don't think the pilot's religion is necessarily what's we should be looking for."

Your emphatic denial is deliberative? Not sure how a belittling reply could be considered a quest for deliberation. If I remember correctly you had called someone's suggestions and speculations ridiculous and finished with calumnies: prejudiced and intellectually undisciplined.

Cheers
Labour

 

Really? Why in the hell are you wasting a lot of time, effort, and energy on a suspicion not based on any fact?

Or if the situation was reversed, shold the FEDS arrest you, use engance interrogation techniques, and place you in GITMO on mrere suspicion because you fit the profile?

This is why the infowars, anti banker type response will enver be considered other than frivolous conspiracy theory.

 

Nothing has proven factual in any of the cases.

 

The problem is there is some evidence that negate some possibilities here. And more importantly, the lack of evidence negates some possibiltiies.

For the co pilot, we know that he was in the cockpit. It has been confrmed that the pilot was outside of the cockpit.

We have evidence, both how the security system works on an Airbus A320, along with the tapping sound, to deduce that the co pilot was toggling the fail safe switch so that the pilot, who was locked out, could not enter the cockpit. We also know, from radar transcripts, that the decent was controlled. This may be backed up by the flight recorder.

What will take time is the location and identificatioin of remains in the crash site. Once the pilot and co pilot remains are found, and in relation to their location, that will be the lynchpin to summarize the accident.

As for the reason why, if one was a Muslim that was out to do this, then some evidence would have to exist such as in hhis computer, friends, co workers, ex girlfriend, etc. In total, none of them have a rason to lie about his religious beliefs at all and the chances are astronomical against you if you think they are all lying.

So far, we do not know the reason why yet. But the likelihood that it wa sa religious reason are very slim to nil.

 

The only thing wasting my time is you. I made a prediction. I am now waiting for the authorities and media to do their jobs. If you would like to know how I arrived at that prediction, almost all suicide murderers have a jacked up ideology. Stats are in my favor. He is super German. Islam just isnt a likely fit. A tynge of antisemitism might... right demographic for the resurgence in that part of the world... so anti jew twisted ideology drops me here. I have no vested interest... just guessing.

 

Not logical at all. I mean, "trying every day"? And look where it happened - not exactly an over-populated area was it?

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Yes, I deliberated and then had a say. And if I belittled anything it was the tendency to leap to a conclusion that arose from consideration of nothing except base prejudice.

 

Was Steve Fossett a Muslim when he crashed his plane in the arse end of nowhere?

 

People who are desperate for him to be a Muslim are just as bad as those who don't want to even consider the possibility.

 

Except that nobody was desperate. Don't confuse bringing up the subject and then HAVING to defend bringing it up in the face of a host of Politically Correct hysterics with being desperate for it to be true. It was raised as a logical possibility that deserved consideration and then a horde of PC fanatics went -- as per usual -- issue-ballistic.

 

It is definitely a logical possibility, but maybe it's the well-worn battle lines of this board that force people to take a position so that they don't appear to agree with the possibility of the other side, that makes everyone very sure of themselves.

I think everyone is ready to jump to a ready-made conclusion (one that isn't exactly devoid of historical precedent, to be sure), without realizing that it's probably better just to wait and see.

 

Wait and see? On a politics board! I think that the numbers of daily posting would drop to around zero as posters fell asleep at their keyboards.

 

Logical.
Every day.
It was a crime of opportunity. The shoe bomber, the underwear bomber... these sorts of crimes are meant only do destroy planes w passengers. Had the captain had to take a (*)(*)(*)(*) over a major city, you can bet there would be more casualties.

 

890. Germanwings airliner crash was a plot (3/29/2015)

I think Germanwings airline crash was similar to recent airplane accidents – MH370, MH17. It was done by a big black hand. The purpose is to intimidate German to join war against Russia in Ukraine. France was warned too – that was Paris Hebdo “terror attack”. Now it’s German’s turn.

In disappearance case of MH370, I allege they used Uninterruptible autopilot system. (see #825, 826, 830, 832, 835, 851) In this case, they used EM sleep wave.

Co-pilot Lubitz was in forced asleep and couldn’t react to any outside world’s noise.

I had a lot of experience with that mandated sleep wave. It was a “sudden, irresistible sleepiness”. I couldn’t wake up even if there was a severe headache. (Headache was caused by a separate EM microwave ray shooting, sleep wave only force people to go asleep) I wrote about this 13 years ago. See “12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1)” to # 16. http://katsung.forumotion.com/t4-em-sleep-wave#77

“Steady breathing” may well explain Rubitz was in deep sleep. Air-controller’s communication, knock at cabinet door, passengers’ scream, none could interrupt him. As for the locked door, if someone could install sleep device in cockpit, they could do similar work as well.

 

Speculation isn't logic.

 

Logic is a prerequisite for speculation... not the other way around.

Your keys are not in your pocket. How do you find them? I have a place I generally put my keys. I would look there first. It doesn't mean that this is where my keys are, but the frequency with which they are makes it a logical place to speculate they might be. That would be my goto.

Usually when people intentionally destroy planes... it is ideologically based... usually Muslims at that.

I see my keys are not where I usually put them. I now focus on the last time I remember them in my possession, and what I was wearing.

The guy was a pilot, and German. I know a lot of Germans. I know a lot of pilots. Muslim German pilot who has kept his German name as a Muslim convert I find a bit unlikely. So I look to other ideologies. I think of the guy who killed all those kids on that island... the xenophobe. I am aware of an uptick in anti-semitism in the culture. I decide it might just be someone with an anti-banker OWSish infowars kind of bend... because again most suicidals are not homocidal... and if there are mass innocents, it is almost always a twisted ideology.

They were in my green shorts.

I would be studying his posts/likes and interviewing friends and family looking for this ideology to rear its head.

 

There's an identifiable problem with some criminal investigations where the investigators formulate a hypothesis too early and then spend time and effort proving that hypothesis. That is a waste of time. But it can get worse. Investigators with that mentality put a target on the back of their suspect and begin to look only for evidence that confirms their hypothesis. Exculpating evidence is ignored or concealed because it upsets the hypothesis. And it gets worse still. Evidence can even be falsified so that it supports the hypothesis.

Speculation of the "the co-pilot was a Muslim" type is an example of that thinking. It blinds the observer to any other possibility. What if he had been a Muslim? Would the investigation shut down because he was a Muslim and therefore he must have committed suicide and murdered 149 people by downing the aircraft? What if he had been a Muslim and the aircraft had gone down due to a system failure? That system failure would never have been identified, heck it wouldn't have even been thought of, if investigators were satisfied that because the pilot was a Muslim then that was sufficient evidence to say he put the aircraft into the Alps.

Finally, get a hook for your car keys, works trust me.

 

I just showed you that it being the first logical suspicion does not preclude a different conclusion. We are not convicting anyone... we are guessing until such time as there is enough evidence to explain a logical motivation, IF there is one.

Suggesting people cannot guess, is not your station in life. Suggesting they cannot guess the most logical suspect because it is insensitive to say outloud that if your plane was just hijacked it was probably an act of Islamic terrorism... I don't think that is logical.

Explain that logic to me.

 

12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1)

When I talked about microwave killing, some readers asked if that is a mind control pulse wave. I went to the web site they gave me. The neuro-electrical magnet wave which imitate brain wave could produce Microwave hearing,forced speech, etc. I don't have that kind of experience, or maybe they have applied it on me but I didn't know. Because it is hard to tell which is natural or caused by remote control frequency weapon. But I do know there is an EM sleep wave which is vastly in use by law enforcement agent.

It was in 1992. One Tuesday morning on my way to Galt. On highway 205, a strong sleep desire fell on me. It was a straight highway, so I tried to drive with eyes closed a little while. But once eye closed, it's hard to open my lids again. I had to fight against drowsiness with extraordinary effort. Then I turned on to highway 120. It was a narrow road with only one lane each way. In dim, I suddenly found there was a dark shadow before me. it was a big truck with a trailer. It stopped on road and started to move when I approached. The sudden lit of tail lamp was so bright red, like in my hands' reach. I made an emergency brake. The cargo in my van rushed forward with inertia, bang hit the front window glass . I could hear the crack sound of porcelain. Luckily I didn't hit the trailer. It was only inches away. My body was wet all over by sweat. Strange for me, such a big scare didn't drove sleepy away. I fell into drowse again until there was another emergency brake. I found the truck driving at only 30 miles per hour. Sometime later, when I opened my lid, I found the truck sped away. It's the end of 120 and we would turned into 99, a busy highway where he could not drive at 30 miles any more.

Later when I had the experience of microwave radiation and other related suffering, I gradually realized there was a sleep wave. But at that time, though it was unusual, I only attributed this to sleepy. Who knew there was a mind control EM sleep wave?

13. Microwave ray shooting and EM sleep wave(2)

I was able to be aware of microwave killing due to a newspaper article. It said FBI's lab developed a tech

that they could shoot and penetrate iron plate in distance by microwave ray. By then I knew they could watch people behind wall by Infra-scanner already. And if they shoot microwave ray behind wall, it's really dangerous for innocent people. Unfortunately, this fell on me soon.

One midnight, I awoke with bitter headache. "They are shooting with microwave ray. I must find something to cover me." I alarmed myself. But before I could do something, an irresistible sleepiness overcame me. I fell in sleep again. This scene repeated several times that night. I always fell in sleep after awakening by headache.

Next day, the headache was so severe that a slight movement would cause suffering. It lasted several days. I thought there was an internal hemorrhage or swell in my head. With great fear, I gathered a lot of metal plates, iron cabinet in my bedroom and slept behind them at night.
Though I was once puzzled how could I go sleep while having heavy headache, I was still didn't aware of there was a sleep wave then.

14. EM sleep wave (3)

I used to sit on a sofa where I could watch TV as well as reading. That day about 5 p.m, when I was reading newspaper, a sudden drowsiness fell on me. It was so strong that I went to my bedroom right away. Once laying on bed, there was no sleepiness at all, not a little bit. That really puzzled me. I went back to sitting room and sitting on sofa, immediately, sleepiness grasped me again. This time I recalled two events happened before. The drowsiness feeling were so similar. They were all deep and irresistible.

I was in panic. What was that? I knew they were using radioactive material and microwave. It seemed that it was a ray with limit field, because my bedroom is just a few feet away and I could not feel it there. I guessed it was a kind of microwave with different frequency and worried it might hurt my brain because it restrained my mind so deeply that I couldn't help to go sleep. On the otherhand, it was a pure feeling of drowsiness, no pain, no dizziness, only extraordinary strong desire to sleep. If I hadn't have above experiences, I would never know its existence. How could you tell it from a nature one.

15. EM sleep wave in China (4)

In 1993, I abandoned my job in flea market. In July 1994, I went to China. I was tired to sleep under the cover of metal plates in U.S. My friends in China stopped communication with me so I knew Chinese police were cooperative with U.S.A.'s, but I thought they would not use high tech. weapon against an innocent man.

I lived in my uncle's home. It was an apartment on third floor (toppest floor) in the building. In August, I heard a noise on roof. People said someone was installing a commercial billboard there. I saw workers erect power transmission lines on roof. A few days later, about 7 o'clock in the morning, I was chatting with relatives when I felt a sudden feeling of sleepiness. I saw my aunt quickly fall in sleep. Other relatives said they were going to bed and back to their bedroom. I was very familiar with this - a sudden, irresistible sleepiness. Later that day I told them about the sleep wave. They didn't believe me. I understood because it was so natural that even I myself would not believe if I hadn't the experience.

This was the only time I felt they use it in China. I think they didn't expect I know sleep wave. When they found I know the secret, they gave it up. The work on roof was postponed. The billboard was never installed. Next year on May, when I left China, the metal shelf installed on August was still there, rusted.
Since then I knew the sleep wave can be a field which influence many people.

16. EM Sleep wave (5)

In 1996, I learned what is sleep wave from a book named 'CIA' (Chinese edition).

It said in July 1987, former Soviet leader Gorbachef flied to Thamalhan, a KGB base, to see an experiment. It was a tiger in the cage. The tiger was irritable. Dr. Chernianko pushed down a button. Within seconds, the furious tiger laid down as gentle as a cat.

Doctor told Gorbachef they successfully handled animal's sentiment by controlling it's brain nerve with remote control electrical wave.

CIA got the information and found Pentagon had first developed such technique. Military Intelligence Chief, general Ackerman was alleged delivering the secret to Soviets. Ackerman was shoot to death several days later. Pentagon announced he died of heart attack.

I immediately realized this was EM sleep wave.
The wave imitates human's sleep wave in brain. It's so natural that you can't tell if it is artificial. Nine years ago I could tell it because it was a sudden, strong feeling. Now they improved their technique. In same sofa I recently often gradually fell into drowse when I wrote article (for post in internet) in daytime. Only at the movement I would get into sleep, I'd realize same thing happened again and moved away. In other place, I never feel sleepy. I think I would never have known there's a sleep wave if they had used that improved technique(gradually go in sleep) nine years ago.

 

Yes, guessing, speculating, jumping to conclusions before any evidence has been presented. And that comes from where? It comes from a deep-seated prejudice. I don't really care what prejudices people have, we all have them, but the cry of "I bet he was a Muslim!" was plain silly. Logic has no place in such fevered speculation and no appeal to logic is going to remove the fact that it was prejudice-based speculation. I have no doubt there are some who still believe he was a Muslim. Meanwhile Muslim pilots around the world are not putting their aircraft into the ground.

 

But of course they do, and more often than one suspects. The media does not publicize these events, but allahu akbars in the air do happen. World Trade Center? EgyptAir Flight 990? Google more...

 

Speculating != concluding. Everything else is built off this false equivalent.

 

Thats a very bad way of investigating, you usualy end up skewing the facts to fit whatever narative you believe in.


A true investigation should be with open mind and look at everything.

Why?

ACtually you should first look at what he did , as I said you were already looking for facts to fit your narrative he as muslims and crashed the plane as revenge against "the west" .

 

Nothing wrong with speculation, it can lead to a conclusion but there's a lot of work required between initial speculation and conclusion. And there are no guarantees, as this thread has shown.

 

You don't know what the (*)(*)(*)(*) you are talking about. It's how every (*)(*)(*)(*)ing investigation in the world works. You start with the most likely scenario and work outward, eliminating them as you go. It is why the first (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thing you heard was that terrorism was not suspected... because it was the first thing they investigated.

I don't have time to explain how life works to you people.

 

801. Assassination of J.F.K. (11/25/2013)

Yesterday I posted a comment about JFK’s death in Yahoo news. Several minutes later, my comment disappeared from the news comment. I put it here.

You all fall into the trap the mastermind set up for you. Oswald, Johnson, Mafia, Castro….. Did they have ability to organize such a big plot? Think bigger. It is an organization that controls Secret Service, media, lawmakers, police force. That’s why after 50 years, people are still lose in dense fog.

1. Warren Commission was used to cover up the plot. Just like 911 commission used to cover up the truth of 911 attack.


2. Kill Kennedy family members to prevent them to re-gain political power to start a real investigation of J.F.K.’s death.

Robert Kennedy was assassinated when he joined the president campaign. Edward Kennedy suffered a scandal attack and had to drop the president campaign.

I also allege Kennedy’s wife Jacqueline Kennedy and his son John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. were murdered because they had great political influence. I believe their death had connection to my story.

In early 1990s when I was still very innocent about US political system and believed it was a democratic society, I complained to a lot of people that I had become a murder target of the Feds. Then the Feds had a message to me: “So what, they (the Feds) even killed President Kennedy.” (see “17. They killed President Kennedy&#8221 The intimidation hadn’t stopped my complaint but added “they killed President Kennedy” to the story.

As the Feds intensified the persecution, I left US twice. Each time Kennedy family lost an important member.

1. I left for China in 1994. Jacqueline died after I planned the China trip. I started to suspect it might relate to the intimidation from the Feds. It was too coincident.

2. Next time it was 1999 when I went to Hong Kong and planned to drift into South East Asia. I learned the death of Jr. Kennedy. It convinced my allegation – the Feds worry that I would reveal their crime of murdering President Kennedy, in abroad they were not able to control the media as they did in domestic US. To prevent a possible reaction from Kennedy family, they kill the main figures of the family in advance.


Edward Kennedy and Jacqueline Kennedy died of cancer. In my description, there were many murdering method through slow poison. The victim targeted were fed to sick gradually, when the time coming they only need to increase the dose to make the death like a natural one.

Jr. Kennedy was too young to die in this way. So he died in an accident. Long time ago when I started to learn something about the E.M. sleep wave, I had read such a news. Air Force lost a plane in a train. The commander center lost its trace. Sometime later, they found the wreckage in a far, far away mountain area. Apparently, the plane exhausted all its fuel and crashed there. Since the pilot was a black man. I thought it was a test to use sleep wave instrument as a weapon. When the pilot felt sleepy, he opened auto pilot instrument. He took a nod, hoping it could help him to overcome the sleepy but could never wake up. The sleeping wave was irresistible – to my experience. If you are driving a car, you may park your car at roadside before you go to sleep, but you can’t park a plane in the air.

I think Jr. Kennedy died in a similar murder plot.