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  1. Durandal

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    Seems someone is opposed to free speech. :machinegun: :gallery: :bomb:

    http://rt.com/usa/255297-texas-suspects-shot-mohammed/

    Two armed suspects have been shot in a parking lot outside a venue in Garland, Texas that was hosting a Mohammed art exhibit dedicated to free speech, SWAT has confirmed. At least one of the suspects allegedly had a hand grenade.

    At least one of the attackers was armed with an automatic gun and was carrying a grenade, according to media reports. One officer was wounded in his leg during the shootout, but is expected to recover, CBS reports.

    SWAT inside confirms one officer shot & transported, 2 suspects shot, possible explosives outside pic.twitter.com/QKZpOQjXFz

    &#8212; Gabriel Roxas (@cbs11gabriel) May 4, 2015

    People inside the exhibition center have been advised to stay indoors, while the nearby Walmart was evacuated.

    #BREAKING Moving us all into secured room. Two suspects shot. Everyone here on their phones. @wfaachannel8 pic.twitter.com/LkuiKmeOBH

    &#8212; Jobin Panicker (@jobinpnews) May 4, 2015

    Channel 8 reporter on the scene, Jobin Panicker, is reporting that initially the crowd heard 3-4 gunshots. A further exchange of gunfire followed after a brief pause.

    #BREAKING SWAT tells me two men have been shot. Possibly with explosives on them. @wfaachannel8

    &#8212; Jobin Panicker (@jobinpnews) May 4, 2015

    DETAILS TO FOLLOW

    ambulances lined up on Naaman Forest Blvd - @wfaachannel8 pic.twitter.com/3NvsdmjKwH

    &#8212; David Goins (@dgoins) May 4, 2015

    The Curtis Culwell Center was hosting the first annual Mohammad Art Exhibit and Contest, a controversial &#8220;free speech&#8221; event that offered a $10,000 prize for the best cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad.

    The American Freedom Defense Initiative event was being broadcast live on YouTube, when a SWAT member burst in telling the crowd that two suspects had been shot, Heavy.com reports. He said they were concerned that the gunmen may have also had explosives.

    The event was interrupted and guests and organizers were moved into a secure room by the authorities.

    The event had created controversy prior to its execution with some seeing it as an attack on Islam. The event&#8217;s organizers said they are exercising the right to freedom of speech, according to the Dallas News.

    #BREAKING Update from SWAT Team Leader. @wfaachannel8 pic.twitter.com/HoF5f4bF7U

    &#8212; Jobin Panicker (@jobinpnews) May 4, 2015

    The shootings allegedly took place just before 7:00pm local time, when the event was about to conclude, shortly after the last speaker had finished his presentation.

    Additional police forces had already been deployed to the Curtis Culwell Center at the time of the incident to provide security because of the controversy of the event. However, no protests were taking place prior to the event, and neither were there threats of any imminent attacks reported.

    &#8220;It is a terrible thing people in America today think, &#8216;well they told us that they would kill us if we draw cartoons, so we [had] better not draw cartoons!&#8217;&#8221; Robert Spencer, one of the organizers said during the event. &#8220;No...that is when we have to draw cartoons!&#8221;

    &#8220;We were aware of the threats. We were aware of the difficulties. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars for security for this. And you saw the massive security measures that there are in place,&#8221; Spencer said about an hour ahead of the incident.
     
  2. FreedomSeeker

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    Now the stakes are even higher. Much higher. NOW we need to draw cartoons of Mohammad more than ever.
     
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    The more I learn about the militarized "religion" Mohammed created, the more I realize how much he twisted the good teachings of some other, more spiritual, leader to his own malicious ends.

    He deserved to be depicted in cartoons, and the sooner the Muslims get over his twisted distortions of their religious teachings the better.
     
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    "There were about 200 people at the event, police said."
    This could have been over 10 times as bad as Charlie Hebdo massacre had it not been for the police. If Islam had won, then it would have been one of the worst terrorist attacks on US soil. Fortunately Islam did not win.
    The organizers had a whopping 40 security officers, for 200 people....if Islam is a peaceful religion then why would they spend untold thousands of dollars to hire such large numbers of security people?

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    Correct. What "prophet" says to give a certain percentage of the booty you plunder to that prophet!? (Qur'an 8:41.)
     
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    Let's start:
    Everyone knows that showing pictures of Muhammad is offensive to Muslims.
    Some Muslims have advocated violence would be the result of images of Muhammad being shown.
    Group shows images of Muhammad knowing full well that it is offensive to the entire Muslim population.
    They show these images for "Freedom" (whatever that means.) Knowing full well how it offends the entire
    Muslim population.

    It seems to me, these people only had this event, not for "Freedom". But to offend Muslims. And gain a violent
    response from some extreme individual within the large group of Muslims.

    There is no other reason for this event to have taken place other then to invoke a violent response.
     
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    Excusing violence?
     
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    There most certainly IS.....we here in this coutry refer to it as "peaceful protest".

    The violent response is a pathetic result of freedom of speech.
     
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    Sure, encourage more shootings. We want to draw these cartoons... to prove that we can? Free speech is important, but it can also be abused. The only purpose to draw these cartoons is to antagonize; not because our speech is being inhibited. That, imo, abuses the point of free speech. But each to their own; if you want to risk death with a cartoon then so be it - I can think of much more useful and productive ways to risk your life.
     
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    Showing images that you know will result in violence, is not a "Peaceful Protest".
    We are not trying to free a group of people from slavery.
    Or gain a groups right to vote.
    Or get any other equal rights for some part of society, by showing these images.
    The only reason to show these images is get a violent response from someone.
    It does not matter if that response is right or wrong.
    This is only done to get a response.
    Which everyone know may be violent.

    So how exactly does this improve the world we live in?
     
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    I was thinking the same thing only that we also need a "Christ In Urine" contest to be hosted in South Carolina or Alabama.
     
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    Excuse me, but are you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing kidding me? We want to eliminate terrorists.... why? To prove that we can?

    Yes, generally speaking, square one is a good thing, and you have to learn to crawl before you can walk.

    Yes, encourage more shootings. Let's get the crazies to come out of hiding, that way we can shoot them and leave their dead bodies in the middle of the street. Fair enough?
     
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    Drawing mohamed cartoons doesn't eliminate terrorists. What gave you that idea? If anything it seems to encourage them. It was lucky that a only a security guard was hurt, and not critically.

    Personally I'd prefer that the current HS investigations find them and do away with them. That way we can do away with the crazies and also prevent those crazies taking any innocent people with them.
     
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    See...here in the United States we have a long history of the citizenry gathering in groups to express dissatisfaction with aspects of society they disagree with, most often by using catchy slogans and other means of garnering attention. These gatherings are considered a form of protesting and have had positive effect in the past toward change of the issues they disagree with. Occasionally those that disagree with this disagreement will counter-protest in an attempt to garner their own support.
    Violent actions are not the intent and are generally frowned upon. Trying to kill the opposition is simply not allowed. Doing so because they don't like a freakin' cartoon is simply pathetic and most certainly unacceptable.

    Me thinks someone needs a sky fairy time out......
     
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    If you don't understand the reason you really don't understand how important free speech is.
     
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    Muslims need to be shown how evil a man Mohammed really was. If it takes cartoons to do that, so be it.

    They also need to be shown that their incessant demands for accommodating to their ideas of what is politically correct in their environment in this country will not always meet their expectations, and breaking the law will be punished. Poisoning a neighbor's dog or stoning women, not to mention chopping off nonbelievers' heads, are also not acceptable.

    What we need more than anything, though, is a strict limit on Muslim immigration and a careful citizenship process to detect the savages among them and weed them out. Maybe a required portion of the process should be to draw at least one cartoon of Mohammed.

    The nerve of people coming into this country and expecting that they should be able to set the ground rules. Let them go elsewhere.
     
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    We will not be intimidated by religious fundamentalists.

    Um.... it's not working? DHS is a gigantic joke, they're wiretapping us with our own tax money while leaving the borders wide open, so any Tom Dick or Harry (or Paco, or Abdul) can cross at will. What kind of "security" is that? They oughta call it the department of Homeland Stupidity. Obviously they didn't find these two clowns, they left it up to the local Texas police to deal with 'em. (Ouch, that musta been embarrassing for those idiot feds).
     
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    So now we let islam make the laws here in America? No we let islam tell us what's allowed by Americans?
    How soon before something else some american did before these islamic savages kill for another reason?
    Please should we allow islam to write the laws so we don't offend them or their fake religion?
     
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    I say we simply have a series of Mohammed cartoon conventions, wait for the Fundys to strike....and kill them in the act.

    Systematic elimination of impending threat through attrition.
     
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    How many shooting do you think will take place there? I would bet none!
    How many progressives will come out a back any protesters like they did for Baltimore, Furgerson, or even these two progressive islamic terrorist?
    I would bet none.
     
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    Being against deliberately provoking violence, isn't the same as excusing violence.

    Christians have rights to freedom of religion, including refusal of services to people they find against their religion, but somehow we SHOULD deliberately provoke Islam? How does that equate?

    Sure, freedom of speech is all well and good, but does freedom of speech cover freedom to incite?

    Now, every single one of you that think this is okay, should also think it's okay to provoke Christian business owners that refuse service to homosexuals on the same grounds you cite here.
     
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    Its been done, and nobody tried to shoot anybody. Sure, people were angry. That's fine. That is how it is supposed to work here. One side expresses their point of view, the other side expresses theirs. When one group, in this case muslims, tries to tell the world "you cannot express these ideas", I think it is our duty as Americans, if you truly to believe in free speech, to hold events like this. If you don't go personally, then you should at least support them. Whether you think it is provocative or not is not the point. The point is that you CAN say any damn thing you want, and no one should be killed over it. Unfortunately for these camel jockeys, they didn't get the notice that Texas is probably not the best place to show your anti american islamic extremist views.
     
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    More progressive cuddling Islam. Progressives flying the Islam flag all while stomping on the american flag.
     
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    I don't give a damn about your religion one way or the other. But I do care about my political rights. No one gets to trample on my political rights, even if they're doing it in the name of Allah. (Especially if they're doing it in the name of Allah).

    Incite what? Fundamentalist assassins?

    Provoke? You mean that's not what's happening?
     
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    Did the christian business owners try to shoot anyone? no. Your argument makes no sense. If anything, it shows that the Christian business owners WERE in the right. But regardless, when Muslims say they will kill people if they express certain views, it is our duty to express those views to show that we are not intimidated. If muslims did not try to kill people that expressed these views, I doubt this convention would have even happened.
     
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    That's funny I don't remember progressive and liberal supporting CHRISTIANS every time the left has a deface the crucifix rally and CHRISTIANS show up to protest. In fact the left makes fun of these protesters.
    While the left cuddles these islamic beast.
    Where was the left calling for an end of stuff like crucifix in a jar crap?
    Progressive hypocrites?
     
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