Imagine you are black

you didnt have any other choice than to post. if you did, you wouldnt have posted. can you prove to me you had the choice of not posting to me?

 

Because you got lucky today, just like the rest of us got lucky who posted.

Can you scientifically prove you'll make it to the movie theater without having a car accident or a heart attack?

 

"The ability to make choices that are not controlled by fate or God". That is the Merriam's definition of
"free will". That is a subtle way of saying "free will" does not exist.

 

Then the illusion of free will. This is not rocket science in that all that matters is one's personal perception. If you are operating under the illusion that you have free will then effectively you have got free will. So far as an individual can tell it was his or her choice to -- for instance -- to roll down the car window and spit at a passing Hell's Angel biker. It is -- so far as the enraged biker can tell -- an example of his free will to turn his cycle around and chase the spitter across the state until he can get his hands on that person to beat the spitter within an inch of his life.

Effectively the perception is the reality even if God or -- hell, why not? -- Satan is really the entity pulling strings. One could make it even more fundamental yet. If you believe that you have free will then you have got it and if you believe that you do not have free will then you do not have it.

 

Except the fact that you are living in fantasy land. Any of us can operate under any illusion and call it free will,but none of us can say that the operation of free will, will be successful. Therefore, it really does not exist, other than in your fantasies.

That is of course, unless one or both doesn't have an accident before accomplishing their mission. Again, that is the definition of free will. If the mission is not completed, free will never happened. If it did, they got lucky. And, if they got lucky, it was never in their control. Fate or God made it happen.

Again, just more talk about your own fantasies. Has nothing to do with reality.

 

I do not confuse the concept of free will with success. The two have never been synonymous. The notion that if one's effort fails then there was no act of free will taking place is illogical.

 

Seriously, are you 12?

 

Neither is free will and luck. But without it, or God, what one chooses to do, depends on the two. Free will does not decide the outcome. If their existed free will, fate and God wouldn't exist. That is actually another way to understand the definition.

You are confused with the definition. If free will were actually taking place, the outcome would be predetermined. I know of no superior force that can do that, other than God. I quoted the definition. It is very clear. If you don't get it, I doubt I can help you.

 

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Nonsensical at best.

 

awww, wuts da matter, cant didums get his head around da subject, maybe you would be more comfortable talking about how awesome white folk are huh.

 

i like this definition.

 

No, you just sound very immature and naive, is all.

 

im immature because i can understand a simple concept and you cant?

 

This should be good.

mmm... not as good as I'd hoped.

 

What's in the OP could be said about others, such as when the Italians, Irish and Jews immigrated to the States. What happened was they assimilated into society and maybe that's the problem and what it means to "stay black".

 

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First,... if Black, my mother would be on Welfare, since 73% of the Black families are.

Second, I'd probable be n Special Education right away, because then my mom gets an extra $450/month stipend coming to her,... in my name.

Third, when, at school, I'd not "Act White" by doing as the Teachers' want.

Nevertheless, I'd get passed every year because teachers' can not let us all flunk.
And mostly the half of the Class which never comes regularly flunks out.
So, I get High School Grad, and I can't read well or do math.

Fourth, I'll get special attention at College because they need show they are trying to help.
And dumb highly educated guys like you will help get in on borrowed money I'll never pay the government back.

 

Not to worry. ALl thats about to change.

Barack Obama is visiting the His Hometown this week to announce a NEW Program!!

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Free will is not about infinite choices. Free will is about whether you are a meat puppet or not. She had choices, and she chose how she chose. You don't think that time spent in front of the boob tube or (*)(*)(*)(*)ing off in class could've had ANY effect on her at all? Or that doing so was not her choice each and every time? Or is it your supposition that someone was forcing her to do those things?

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Free will is assumed unless you can prove there is Fate or God and they control all actions etc. Can you prove one of those things?

You also claimed you had SCIENTIFIC PROOF. SHOW YOUR SCIENTIFIC PROOF

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so now you're going to ask someone to prove a negative after (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about it?

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Sure, if you can prove that fate or god exists. Got that proof?

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They are not in fact mutually exclusive but continue to delude yourself. After all you've said that if something happens to thwart your choice you didn't actually make a choice at all. If examining that statement doesn't snap you out of this delusion, nothing will.

 

That depends! If her parents were both working at the time making nothing and having to rely on food stamps because of a minimum wage job that doesn't pay the bills, while Richard had both parents at the house seeing that the homework got done, just proves she had no choices like Richard. It's all relative. In other words, one size does not fit all. Which is another way of saying free will does not exist, and it is all about the cards you are dealt. So, your argument hits a snag, like all the rest. The typical excuse is to either demonize the child for Paula's circumstances, or blame the parents for not having good jobs. Except on that end you forgot that good jobs aren't very common. As a matter of fact, for every one job available, and I mean any job available, there are two looking for that job. Which means there are still millions looking for jobs that do not exist, while you use free will as the excuse to either get that education or that job. You presented a pitiful argument to say the least.

There was a force that killed people in the Texas floods, and they had no choices in the matter. That's proof enough for me.

Lol! And you just explained the reasoning why free will does not exist. I made a choice in "MY" mind, but, in reality, the choice I made is really worth nothing. You are right. I never actually made a choice. It was only in my mind. So, the choice really does not exist.

 

You may get dealt a hand, but free will is how you go about playing that hand.

A force? You mean that it rained a lot, people CHOSE TO STICK AROUND, and drowned. Free will in action, right there.
Just because you are not the only actor in the universe (ie there are other people) or that there are natural processes that don't stop because you (*)(*)(*)(*) into the wind, does not mean you have no free will.

Ah finally you cop to it. You admit you have a choice and it is made. You also acknowledge that simply because you will it does not mean it will happen as you will it.
Thanks for playing sparky

 

But you might not get to the internet because you need to be intelligent enough to use a computer. So you would be bored. Then you would end up picking heroin or LEAN as your form of entertainment. And if the drugs didn't kill you and the cops didn't kill you for robbing a package store, you would die of HIV or sickle cell anemia by 40. So yeah - you don't want to pick to be black. If I had to be black I would kill myself and pray for reincarnation. The only plus - the black women don't care about marriage so you could have sex with 100 of them easy! You'd never be more than 24 hours away from new sex!

 

Ah, I see, you are trying to run away from the definition as I expected, by trying to find a loose end where there is no loose end. Making a choice in one's mind is not free will, when the choice is not under the person's control. The definition explains that clearly. If it were under our control, the written definition would have told us so. But it didn't, now did it? You are only trying to fix this argument in your head so as to fit your own desired outcome. Unfortunately for you, the written definition is going to always ruin that desired outcome. You cannot escape the definition. You can play word games with me, but in the end, it is the definition that will always prove you wrong.

 

The definition said "fate" or "god"> Ergo prove the existence of one of those 2 and how such things always control every choice and you'll have your proof proved. Don't worry, I'll wait.

 

thats why i asked him to prove it because he cant as he cant prove a negative. freewill maybe assumed by you. assumed means without proof, did you know that? therefore it is just an illusion and you are being contrary.

 

You are boxing yourself in with a silly question, and I'm not sure why you are doing that. If I get up today to type this post, which I am currently doing, how do I know I will not pass out of a heart attack before I am done typing? I don't. I get lucky if I finish. As the definition says, "fate" is a lottery. If I finish typing this, I will have just gotten lucky. Free will didn't finish the job. If free will existed, I wouldn't have needed the luck to finish. Free will is nothing but a fantasy in the hope that I finish typing this post. I hope you get the chance to read this, or else, I must have had a heart attack.