As I said, it is BEHAVIOR, not RACE that gets you shot by the cops...

Didn't say you're a criminal for fitting a profile, but you can LOOK like a criminal. But you knew that didn't you? You're a suspect. Not GUILTY. But a suspect UNTIL proven innocent. When a suspect starts acting guilty, like yelling, being really aggressive, that confirms their suspicion. So how about doing something REALLY easy and NOT fit the label. We all know simply being BLACK isn't the "thing" that makes you suspicious, since we can play the picture game until the cows come home. Try not looking like a thug and people won't treat you like a thug. When certain people complain that they can't understand why they get followed when entering a store, you have to know they're the most dense people on the planet. You know how people can "LOOK" guilty. I know when my kids do something wrong before they admit it. I know when my dog did something. When hoodlums enter a store at the same time as a granny in a walker, guess who the clerk is going to eye? Know what I didn't say, what color either of them are and you want to know why? Because IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!

 

Yes I know that's how many people, and far too many people, think. It's just another form of labeling and is a very lumuted way of thinking, and it really shouldn't be that way.

 

If it was race youd have many many more blacks shot by the cops.

 

You posted exactly what I wrote. I didn't say all police were prejudiced or that if you have dark skin you will be approached by police. I said it is a proven fact that if you have dark skin you are more likely to be approached. It's right in front of you what I posted and yet you still claim I said something else. You are lying. I didn't call you any names, I simply pointed out a fact.

Your ignorance on the subject does not change the facts.

 

Sigh. No, just no.

You really don't understand how subtle some racism can be.

 

Its not RACIAL profiling. Its a PROFILE and race is just one part. If the race happens to be black, so be it. If it happens to be white, so be it. If it happens to be Middle-eastern, so be it. Will a black man wearing scrubs and a hospital badge saying Dr. Miller, be profiled as a gang banger? NO! He won't be perceived as a threat. You understand perception? Well groomed and dressed black men aren't PROFILED as ex cons or thieves in an office building. But they might in in crack town. A well dressed white guy in crack town will also be profiled as a buyer or seller.

Regarding your assumption that different races are different species, that makes YOU the racist for even thinking it, because it never even entered my head. Sheesh, race baiters are an angry bitter bunch. Hey, is Black Friday racist because it implies getting good deals, uuuum, like stealing? What about black coffee? Adding WHITE sugar makes it sweeter, making it better. Milk TOO!!! Milk is white and it makes coffee better. Racist MILK!!! =)

 

Prove this

 

Why should I. There is ample proof to show it, but it jsut doesn't matter.

The partisans and the race baiters are just too emotionally invested in their proft margins to understand or to see the proof so they will just dismiss it or spin and deflect it in some way.

So saying prove it is just a bunch of nonse3nse, and sometimes a dishonest tactic in and of itself.

 

The burden is on the one making the claim.

Anyone can claim they were targeted just for their "race" and then dare others to "prove they weren't" - which is pretty much impossible since there's no way to read minds and prove someone "isn't a racist"

 

OK then, why is one with brown skin more likely to be approached by police? Are all police prejudiced then? You still haven't addressed it. You called me a liar and just did it again. I am not lying. If you think a black is 'more likely' to be stopped by police then you MUST either think police are prejudiced against blacks OR blacks are just committing more crimes. Which is it?

Calling me ignorant does not change the fact that you cannot provide proof of your assertions.

 

I'm still waiting for all the 'proof' that police are prejudiced against blacks.

 

I think police are prejudiced...




















... against criminals.

 

Why bother presenting proof when minds are closed to it and will not accept it if it were a dog biting them in the ass?

So, really, asking for proof when you know you will not accept it is a moot point and a fruitless endeavor.

 

your comparison to profiling being like elephants protecting their calves from predators was inappropriate, that's not me baiting, that's you presenting a poor analogy to the discussion. Furthermore, racial profiling is a part of the issue, we know this through data and science

[video=youtube;--jKRLKanxY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jKRLKanxY[/video]


There's more to the studies too, they conducted a study where peoples brains were scanned while pictures of black people and white people were shown on a screen. All the subjects were well dressed, but despite this, the initial response people's brains indicated when the black people were shown on screen was hostility.

If you would like to watch the full episode

[video=dailymotion;x2ok6mk]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ok6mk[/video]

 

It's a fruitless endeavor to get you "Hands up don't shoot" people to provide proof of your blanket assertions regarding police prejudice against blacks.

 

That's just being argumentative and has no substance.

 

Speaking of no substance...YOUR comment "Why bother presenting proof when minds are closed to it" pretty much tops the list of unsubstantiated claims.

 

No, it does not.

then if I presented to you scholarly articles on racism by the police, could i have your word that you have an objective unbiased response based on the information they present?

otherwise:

 

Seems the study (in the video) found blacks and whites equally prejudiced against the opposite race. How does that prove police are prejudiced against blacks? Also I noted that untrained shooters erred only 15% of the time and that trained law enforcement erred even less than that. I also found it interesting that the prejudice was cultural not skin color related. What we hear in the 'news' , media depictions, etc., which doesn't really represent the vast majority, has much influence.

 

First let's see where we stand. What about Ferguson? Do you think that represents police prejudice against blacks?

 

The analogy was about profiling a threat from learned behavior. Elephants learned that lions are dangerous. Humans learn that certain people when dressing or acting a certain way are also dangerous. I never mentioned color. Your brain instantly connected the lions with black people when I never implied it. What does that say? Why couldn't the lions be skinheads or nazis? But you made them black. Interesting.

 

No, I will not use that to indict all policemen in America. Just the police and officials who took part in the corruption there.

 

and you don't think that had anything to do with the fact that your elephant remark was a direct followup to your remarks about how black people are more likely to commit a crime?

oh but there was no intended connection.. please...

 

Thank you...And I agree that proven corruption needs to be dealt with no matter what color the corruption comes from but the Federal investigation into Ferguson is based on false assumptions.

it looks more like something ginned up to distract from the embarrassing fact that Justice (in another report released the same day) wound up fully validating the findings of the Ferguson grand jury.

Racism is serious, and those engaging in it should be shamed — but we should have real evidence before accusing others of it. And every one of the Justice report’s main claims of evidence of discrimination falls short.

“Data collected by the Ferguson Police Department from 2012 to 2014 shows that African-Americans account for 85 percent of vehicle stops, 90 percent of citations, and 93 percent of arrests made by FPD officers, despite comprising only 67 percent of Ferguson’s population.”

Those statistics don’t prove racism, because blacks don’t commit traffic offenses at the same rate as other population groups.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics’ 2011 Police-Public Contact Survey indicates that, nationwide, blacks were 31 percent more likely than whites to be pulled over for a traffic stop.

Ferguson is a black-majority town. If its blacks were pulled over at the same rate as blacks nationally, they’d account for 87.5 percent of traffic stops.



http://nypost.com/2015/03/09/ferguson-fake-out-justice-departments-bogus-report/

Stats are meaningless when there is a pre-determined conclusion.

 

Police are prejudiced. Against people who would like to kill them.