Why the Confederate flag still flies in South Carolina

Racism and hatred and lack of respect for human life are alive and well in the US of A...
The whole joint is a lost cause....so fragmented.....so sad....

 

The entire economy of the South depended on slavery. Yes, most people in the South supported slavery and it's existence and expansion. I've said it before and I'll say it again. It was the literal lifeblood.

it was where literally ALL their wealth was tied up Blackhumanblood as property.

To give you some perspective, The collective wealth tied up in those slaves was over 3 billion dollars.

That is yes, with a B. Three BILLION. Not in today dollars, adjusted for inflation -- Then dollars. Three BILLION in 1860 dollars.

If you wanted to buy all the railroads, factories and banks in the entire country at that time, it would have only cost you about $2.5 billion.

----> slaves were by far the largest concentration of property in the country. A stunning figure, Think on that.

The population of the South was not about to give that up.

It was. About. Slavery. Preserving, protecting & expanding. Human beings as property.

Millions of these people who were *bred* as animals are -- with values in the BILLIONS.

Yes, It was. About. Slavery. Preserving, protecting & expanding. Human beings as property.

And they are *still fighting the battle----to this day, it appears. Even though they lost the war.

 

And how did you derive this mystical authority to summarily dismiss someone else's position without actually addressing it?

A view that you have no substantive rebuttal to.

Why are you dodging my questions? Is it the same reason you are dodging Spooner's arguments?

I ask again: How can I be a racist if I don't believe in racial constructs?

Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, so does that mean people who celebrate him are racists?

If you are too afraid to answer my questions, then just come out and say so.

 

Good post.

All she is doing is spouting Lost Cause revisionism.

It really gets tiring hearing the tired, old loser ne0-confederate arguments.

 

I'm just going to take a page out of your book and summarily dismiss your arguments without bothering to address them.

 

If some hipster was flying a Soviet flag, you wouldn't hear half of the screeching you hear here, and wouldn't assume he automatically supports Stalin's genocide.

Much ado about nothing.

 

Spooner is dismissed as a radical idiot, as I would a leader in the Occupy movement. He's meaningful for Lew Rockwellian Lost Causers, not much more.

Jefferson was a complicated fellow from the 18th, early 19th century, but one thing he didn't do or advocate for was starting a war with the expressed, stated primary purpose to defend, preserve and expand slavery.

You can say you don't "believe in racial constructs" til the cows come home. Your many words typed here belie that.

 

more like chickens in the commie hen house clucking [video=youtube;ZG3NlOgy0Zo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG3NlOgy0Zo[/video]

 

This is most definitely not true. There is absolutely no indication that the Confederate Congress took Scottish heritage into consideration when it adopted the confederate flag.

 

Of course.

(see what I mean folks?)

Hard to deny just about E V E R Y T H I N G economically in the South at the time was tied up in slavery. Enormous wealth in them there slaves. Every southerner knew it.

And they were willing to fight to bloody death to keep those slaves as property -- and work to expand it into the territories.

 

People don't always "speak up" when they feel they aren't being represented, or, if they do speak up, they are not always heard or remembered.

In the last Presidential election, 94 million eligible voters abstained, which was about 30 million more people than voted for either Obama and Romney.

The simple truth of the matter is that average people typically pay almost no attention to what politicians do or say because they are much more concerned with their day-to-day lives, and the same was probably true of the southern people, unless you have some compelling evidence to suggest that they were a historical aberration?

There were millions of confederates, though, and you have provided the views of less than a dozen of them.

I'm asking you.

The motivations of the "confederacy" were spread out across millions of southerners, and they cannot be accounted for simply by citing a few politicians.

Voicing your support for something is a far cry from risking your life to defend it.

It wasn't essential to the non-slave owning farmers, hunters, and trappers who constituted the vast majority of the white southern population.

But you make a good point about southerners being afraid of slave rebellions and the like, but that was hardly an irrational fear, and one that even Thomas Jefferson spoke to decades prior to the "civil war".

 

First lets just drop the comparison of the US flag and the indian situation. It isn't even close to a correlation of the same thing for the reasons I give. My opinion do not matter on the subject. What does matter on this subject is how indians feel about the US flag and how African-Americans feel about the confederate flag. The two feelings are not comparable and no matter how much you try and stretch it. It is an absurd comparison for the valid reasons stated.

Second, I never stated that slaves were citizens. My point was about the Constitutionality of secession. The Constitution provides no authority for any state to secede. It does however grant the Constitution sovereignty over the individual states regardless if the those states had even ratified the Constitution as long as 9 of the states had ratified it. This clearly means that membership in the Union was a one way street. The part about citizens of individual states being granted immunities and privileges of all the states means that no state can bar a citizen of the United States rights and privileges thereof just because they come from another state. Again this affirms that the Union is a one way street. Besides the pivotal factor in South Carolina seceding from the Union was the election of Lincoln specifically and the election a Republican to White House. That in and of itself is not a Constitutional violation and again any claim to such is revisionist bull...history.

 

Again, where did you derive the authority to dismiss someone's argument without actually addressing it? Are you exempt from the standards of rational and civil debate that everyone else is expected to abide by?

Seems like you cannot adequately rebut his arguments and are just making lame excuses.

So now you're defending a racist who owned slaves? Doesn't that make you a racist?

I don't believe in racial constructs. They are biologically meaningless. That has been my public position on this forum for years. But you seem to think you're in possession of a special status that allows you to dismiss and characterize your opponent's positions without actually have to provide any logical or evidentiary basis for such. Must be nice!

 

Your opinion on the matter has already been dismissed, just like you dismissed the opinion of Lysander Spooner.

 

In depth article...

The South still lies about the Civil War
In an ongoing revisionist history effort, Southern schools and churches still pretend the war wasn't about slavery
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/16/the_south_still_lies_about_the_civil_war/

 

Except for the Scottish cross that is emblazoned on the flag.

 

Please, tell us what happened to slaves in the Northern States before the Civil War. Most of them weren't freed, the Yankee's sold them down south.

 

I am NOT racist. I don't even acknowledge the validity of racial constructs, which is a prerequisite for being a racist.

 

So you think it is perfectly acceptable for people to disobey the US Constitution when they do not agree with it?

If the Confederate battle flag is a symbol of hate, then the US flag is a symbol of genocide, mass murder, and oppression.

 

Absolutely despicable, but slavery in the North never came close to the numbers of the South. It was a drop in the bucket compared to the South. That being said, I don't see any symbols around here up North glorifying slavery and reminding blacks of that shameful time in history

 

Please, the leadership in the South knew that slavery was coming to an end and was making long term plans to end it. Instead the North, just like it does today, tried to impose it's will upon the South. They had no problem ditching their labor problems down south, all the while profiting in the process. Spare me the liberal pap.

 

Why are people even wasting their time with this? Removing the flag would require approval by 2/3 of the state legislature. Good luck with that.

 

The pervasiveness of white supremacy in the north disproves nonsensical theories about their noble intentions.

And the de facto slavery that persisted in northern factories, where Irish children worked in appalling conditions, utterly destroys the credibility of the north in regards to the issue of slavery, which served as the basis for their industrial economy for decades after chattel slavery was abolished in the south.

 

Funny how the Irish don't riot over "Anglo Saxon Privilege."

 

Yeah, okay, whatever. Still does not excuse that flag flying in the face of resident blacks of the south in this day and age.