Rowan KY Clerk Sued For Not Issuing Marriage Licenses

You realize that sueing that "bigot" is going to result in a payment from the taxpayer right? You're just taking money and putting it back in to your pocket.

 

legal marriage and religious marriage are two different things, you do not need religion to have legal marriage

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yep, another reason the tax payers should hate bigots like this

 

Have them face the consequences. Then have the next one say no, and then no again. The gays are going to wake up and go mmmmmmmm maybe we messed up.

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I don't. In fact I support her.

 

nope, just lots of same gender folks will get rich in the process

tax payers will demand their government stop putting bigots in these positions

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Oh yes they can. San Diego firefighters did it and won. The Chief ordered everyone in the dept. to match in a gay day parade. 10 or so firefighters 2 officers and I think 1 BC said no it it goes against our first addments rights. The Chief fired them, they sued, they won and the chief resigned about a year later. So yea they can.

 

I think we're going to see plenty of counties declining to defend against these suits at all. When they get sick of paying summary judgments, they'll fire the lawbreaker. And no, not even in Alabama will it be difficult to find someone who will do the duties of the job.

 

There something that most people doesn't realize. Just because you file suit against someone and win, doesn't mean you're going to collect anything. And just because you win against a city or a state, they can keep that going and no pay you. And there are laws in every state for that. Just an FYI. And most people are going to end up in the long run going to support this.

 

I'm with the firemen here. Marching in a parade is not a requirement of the job. Now, if these firemen refused to respond to a call because the house on fire belonged to a gay person, THEN they'd be fired. And probably fined.

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Defending cases costs money. Generally, the loser pays the court costs. The counties are guaranteed to lose these cases. Even if there is no reward to the plaintiff, it will be expensive. Many counties can't afford to waste money that way.

 

agree and for the most part I think most people know that this guy and guys like him are in the wrong..... he is gonna have issues even getting a job at McDonalds after this

 

There's always Chik fil A.

 

that was not a part of the job... of course they won, as they should

now if there was a fire at the parade and they refused to respond because of beliefs, they could of been fired

see the difference....

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Yes it is. It is called community relations.

 

But as you point out, the firemen won their case. Community relations is not an essential duty. Do you seriously think they'd have won if they'd refused to put out a fire for religious reasons?

 

They won because the fire chief overstepped her authority and violated their religious beliefs. Community relations/public relations is in fact an essential duty. Think about for a sec; fire week, CPR class, BBQ, Pushing in the Engine 3x ect, etc, etc. Probably more so for the fire dept then the police dept. And you're third point is a hyperbole. I know you're trying to make a point but still. I don't know of any firefighter who wouldn't risk their lives(with in in reason) to save people.

 

they will never get it... not because there are not smart, but because they do not want to get it

 

In this case religion isn't doing anything. You are forcing people to violate their religious beliefs.

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That one is confusing to you?

 

So what are you trying to say here? Religious beliefs have limits. Those limits should be clear to everyone, but sometimes they are not. The fire chief should have realized that a gay parade is guaranteed to provoke some knuckle-draggers to refuse. She lost because the duty is not essential, period. You seem to realize this, because you admit that any firefighter would risk their life even if their religion got in the way.

 

You do understand the 14th amendment was never ratified uh the necessary majority of states correct?

 

If your imaginary god tells you you can't hand out a piece of paper, you need to do some serious soul searching. If I were your boss and you refused to do this, I'd do whatever the law allowed to at least get you the hell out of the way so the office could continue to function. And I'd make sure whatever department I transferred you to understood that you refused to do your job. You are going to have to stifle your precious religious beliefs long enough to function as a decent human being, and you can refuse to perform on your own time.

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And while we're at it, the same thing is true of the 16th Amendment, among those who don't want to pay taxes. If you wish to get either one of them removed from the constitution, you better get cracking. Times awasting!

 

So you would punish someone for their religious beliefs correct?

 

And these clerks are overstepping their authority by refusing to issue legally valid marriage licenses.

 

Now, be realistic with yourself: How many people equate marriage with the Church? A vast majority. How many romanticize the marital union? Plenty.(In fact, said romanticism is precisely why people get married too early). You REALLY think people care about the marriage licence? Of course not. To quote Bush: "It's just a ******ned piece of paper".

Seeing as gays are mostly marrying for the rights associated with that "*******ned piece of paper", calling it marriage equality is an utter farce. The 'equality' in question is the rights derived therein. So separate the two, problem solved.

And simply call it ANYTHING but a marriage. Why would you want to interlope with the Church, if the two functions are inherently different? We're willing to tear down gender norms, etc but we're not willing to correct this stupid mistake made in our history?

 

Firemen are employed to fight fires..not march in a gay parade....I agree with them on this one...

 

No, only for refusing to do the job they are being paid to do. I couldn't possibly care WHY they refuse, but if they refuse, they earn the consequences.

 

Huh? I didn't know that. I paid $20 (at the time) at the courthouse, signed a form, and walked our married.

While the licence is just paper, the romance has never left my marriage even after decades.

No, gays are actually human beings. They marry for all the same reasons everyone else marries - which is a variety of reasons, maybe no two exactly alike. I know that many gays are also devout Christians, and for them, marriage is largely religious.

I cannot understand this. Marriage is marriage. If gays want a religious as well as a state marriage, fine. Why not? From where I sit, marriage is a legal condition and any religious blessing anyone wants to paint over it that's meaningful to any couple, no problem. I don't see any mistakes here.

You DO realize that there ARE gay members of your congregation, don't you?