Did Trump blow it?

your getting to stuck in the war thing here i see, trump wants future business men hero's, hes a machine built around making money for the usa and jobs future survival, where not in 1967vietnam anymore you got to get out of that past mindset. mcCain is the NWO corporational enemy theirs a new war going on there wearing SUITS in china now not black Vietcong jump suits McCain is a traitor now hero back then

 

I'll bet you haven't read so much as a synopsis of his Vietnam contribution.

His behavior on the Forestall was clearly heroic. His bravery under fire can not be questioned. He received multiple honors. With numerous broken bones and post rescue injuries, he refused to give information, which his captors had as a requirement for medical help. Thus his many broken bones didn't get attention until the point where his captors believed death was imminent.

When they learned who he was, the Vietnamese wanted to release him, but he refused to leave until those who came before him had been released.



Now, along comes that rich blowhard brat and calls him out with disparaging remarks?

That is just not acceptable.

 

Suggesting McCain is a traitor is a seriously punk move, bud.

And, something you have NO way to back up.

 

Okay. I understand. Yeah man, it gets real. Well.... so does my life - and my wife, and my kids, and my mom, and my in-laws, and...

I wasn't in 'Nam, I missed it by about a month 'cause of the age lottery (I got a high draw just before Nixon called it), but I've served in other ways I can't really discuss, and all I can tell you is that McCain is probably one of the few people who could walk a millimeter in my shoes. But for that he doesn't get "respect", he just becomes a kindred spirit.

I could tell you lots of stories. I saw someone I loved and wanted to spend the rest of my life with, murdered in cold blood right before my eyes, blood spurting up all over my face and clothes... and for a while the cops thought "I" did it, so the next couple of days were none too pleasant. (I wasn't in custody, I was running - hard! Eating out of dumpsters and sleeping behind the Wa-Wa, having to become anonymous in a crowd just because there were people watching the nearby phone booths, y'know....)

The reason that happened, is just 'cause I happened to know a little something that someone wanted to pick out of my brain. That's all it was, just a little tidbit of knowledge. After the PTB figured out that I was still a good guy, it took about a year and a half to put my mind back together again, I was quite the basket case for a while. All of that was in the "line of duty", it was just something very ordinary that they expected people like me to do - quietly, efficiently, and without complaining.

Am I a hero? No. I'm a shell of the man I used to be. Every time I look at a beautiful woman I risk full-blown PTSD. It took me years before I could have a normal relationship with "anyone", much less anyone of the opposite sex. It's just reality man, no one's a "hero" for going through stuff like that. I'm not even an "unsung" hero, I wouldn't want anyone to know what really happened (nor could I bring myself to tell them, probably). I gotta live with the questions every single day, "could I have saved her, if I'd acted more quickly?" I mean, the only thing that keeps me on this side of clinical insanity is waking up to a wife and two kids every morning. That's real, than anchors me into reality, and whenever I wake up from a nightmare all I have to do is look around and remind myself I'm "here" and not "there".

I can't run for office. I still have a legend that follows me around. After thirty years as a gimpy veteran I'd like very much to be helpful in American politics, but I have to work behind the scenes, because my name is radioactive in public.

John McCain's name is not. John gets a heckuva lot more respect than I do, for some reason. I understand why, but that doesn't make it any easier.

I was a sensitive little kid, I cried the first time I saw a snake eat a mouse. And now I know 350 ways to kill a man just by squeezing my thumb and forefinger together. Respect? Nah, forget about it. You should see the looks of horror on some of the parents' faces when they see what I'm teaching their kids. Well... they signed up to learn how to fight, and that's what I'm teaching 'em. I'm not teaching 'em to lose, I'm teaching 'em to survive. Same stuff you learned in 'Nam, probably. I don't get the "hero" bit though, all I get are big giant eyebrows and an occasional ugly word.

Anyway, /rant. I don't wish McCain any ill, historically or otherwise. But I think it's time America woke up again. A "hero" in my eyes, would be someone who can resolve our border security issue. That would be real true hero. That would take guts and a willingness to take some lumps. Something different from McCain's "amnesty".

See, I came out of my problems as a better person, suddenly I had my very own value system that was mine and that no one could take away from me. Suddenly I was able to smile and walk away from pointed personal insults, and suddenly I was able to keep on giving even when everyone else in the world was taking everything they could, from me and everyone else.

You know what I'm talkin' about, you've been in combat therefore you know. People like us, we need to stick together. The thing about McCain is pure politics, it doesn't infringe on the heroism. McCain knows what he did and didn't do, and based on what I just told you, I find it a little odd that someone like that can just come right out and call another person "crazy", or call them out for "firing up the crazies". Someone like McCain, you'd think, would be more of an elder statesman, but it seems to me there's still a little bit of the beer-swilling hooligan in Mr. John McCain.

 

You have your point of view, me, mine. I could very well be stuck back in the 60's, there are certain things that never leave you. This will all die down in a couple of days to a week. But Trump has left a bad impression on quite of few vets.

 

And, that has exactly what to do with the price of tea................?
Stupid people don't know your asses from a hole in the ground. McCains squadron lost ALL 15 of it's original birds by the end of it's cruise. I'll say it realllllll slow for the stupid, they took on some of the toughest missions of the war.

 

I never defended McCain for any of his actions as a senator or a politician. I just said Trump was wrong, that I stand by. Trump could have criticized McCain for a thousand and one things. Criticized him as a politician, as a Senator, as a senile old man if you will. All of that is just fine and part of the political game. But for me Trump went a bit too far.

The real heroes are the one who never came back and the one's wounded and missing limbs or messed up in other ways. Then in my view comes the POW's, those held by the NVA, VC and the PL. The KR didn't take POW's. Regardless of what one thinks of McCain as a senator or even a human being, his time spent as a POW should be respected. He was shot down trying to help us win a war, no fault of his.

 

Watch the video when people start to boo him.... the look of terror. He knew that his big mouth betrayed him for good this time.

 

I do not agree with you, but like the mettle.

The left is obsessed with this guy and as much I believe he has a snow ball's chance in hell, I love watching him drive them all bat (*)(*)(*)(*) crazy.

 

Amazing!!!

I didn't think anyone could be more clueless than Trump!

But to see this sad and vicious and clueless indictment of the hell and bravery of the accomplishments of McCain says there is bottom with below than Trump!

 

it's like a firefighter that risks his life to save someone and gets hurt cause a roof falls on him, still a hero even though he did not save the victim as he was putting his life on the line for others

 

He stood up to the enemy. So what? That's what you're supposed to do, when you get captured. It's expected, they even train you on how to get through it. The bravery part I'll give you, but what accomplishments?

 

did Obama?

 

Lol this is the same mccain leftists spent a year trashing and making fun of right? Shall we dredge up what forum members said about him before when he was running? He went from baby killer to war hero. Trump has more influence on the left than we thought.

 

Trump is either a Dem plant, or should have been as he is doing more damage to the GOP than they could have possibly hoped for.

 

It was disgusting. He didn't just insult McCain, he insulted all POW's who sacrificed for this nation!! I liked his border comments but this brought him back to a joke. Unless he does a serious apology, he's done for.

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I can't stand McCain as a politician but insulting his service because he was "captured" is despicable. I can't get myself to hate someone enough to do that.

 

This debate is nothing new in American history as many questioned awarding the MOH to Gen. Wainwright & MacArthur after Corregidor. Let's face it, Wainwright surrendered & MacArthur fled to Australia, albeit ordered to do so. Nothing heroic in either man's actions. Either way, McCain needs to go away as he is a babbling senile old fool now. In the end it won't matter as Scott Walker is our next president.

 

I will simply read again what was said from WillReadMore..

There are more on why Mccard , but the blowhard traitor Trump is nothing but a multiple bankrupt not even fit to clean Mccain's spittle out of the dirt.

Why don't you respond to this?

I don't agree with Mccain most issues of his issues, but these Trump losers and liars are simply scum. Comparing Trump to real war heroes is truly low idiocy!

 

what about making fun of a special needs child. Could you hate palin enough to do that? Before I check what mccain bashing did you do during his run? If I look am I going to find anything?

 

I'm an adult, don't get involved in the he said she said stuff. You'll grow up soon.

 

Its not a he said she said. I am asking you directly if you have ever said anything about McCain on the same level as trump or questioned his war hero status. Have you?

 

He doesn't have to, nor does anyone who knows McCain started the silly little war of words when he wrongly said Trump stirred up the crazies. He called the voters in his own state "crazies". Nice job, McCain, you silly little fool.

Trump might have picked a better way to get the last word. But McCain should have kept his mouth shut about Trump and not called his own state a bunch of crazies.

The world is sick to the gut of McCain. He clearly has Harry Reid disease.

 

Of a certainty leftist posters on the massive commercially operated political forums system I was on at the time wrote the same things and far worse about John McCain back in 2008 as he exhibited the audacity to go up against their Political Messiah, Barack Obama. Also the Left-Aligned Mainstream Media themselves intimated as much via the nature of their speculations and questions about the issue of heroism, but curiously enough found it irrelevant that Barack Obama never . . . served. Meh . . . go figure.

 

Exactly, in fact, a quick search shows they were quite the beehive about absolutely bashing McCain. Lets let them make some more comments in writing before quoting reminding them what they really thought about Mccain.

 

Realistically Trump never had and never will have a genuine shot at becoming president because he's a political dilettante. Examine his previous shots at the presidential contest and you will see an identical pattern. He roars across the landscape shooting from the hips, getting the media (Left and Right) all hot and bothered about him, backs himself into an untenable corner with his alligator mouth, and then yawns and declares it 'a day' until the next presidential cycle rolls around.

The only meaning Trump has as trail blazer is that his mouth does roar and so he gets out in the open things that other politicians (or activists) want said or discussed but do not themselves want to risk putting their head on the chopping block in order to bring up for national scrutiny.

The only danger he represents to the Right is that since he's many times over a billionaire he could get stubborn and decide to run as a third party dark horse as in Ross Perot's political era and thus end up splitting the Republican ticket and essentially assuring that Queen Hillary Clinton becomes president. Of course she has to worry about that reoccurring thorn in the side of the Dem Party, Ralph Nader. But at age 81, it's highly unlikely that he will ever run again.

My point being that Trump is so very wealthy that he can easily weather this political blow and continue hanging in there for month after month after month if he so desires. So he might just decide to do that, and on the other hand he could get bored tomorrow and pack it in. Who know why Trump does anything that he does?