Could we Canadians STOP the Iran deal?

We will simply have to agree to disagree.

For some strange reason you think Obama gave away the store, but never include that the deal is a CONSENSUS of the leadership of the US, Russia, China, France, Germany the UK and the EU in solving addressing the issue, ensuring that appropriate safeguards are in place as well as triggers should Iran renege on any of the conditions imposed on them.

I guess that is because many Americans are parochial in their perspective and jingoistic in their attitude.

 

nope, just saying had republicans not sabotaged the negotiations, maybe we would of got more.. who knows

 

The problem is the added snow to Antarctica is being caused by the additional water vapor in our atmosphere and this snow is not dense ice....as the amount of Glacier Ice and Polar Ice Melt which is dense ice melting into our Ocean's is not being offset by the relatively fluffy in comparison snow fall.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So by this do you mean........ something along the line of a saying that we Canadians have when late February or early March comes, that when we get a few inches of powder, that that powder will actually "rot" the ice that is below it...... and actually cause it to melt faster over the coming days and weeks?

AboveAlpha........ a few days ago Sir....... I quoted you, into a discussion, that is eventually intended to be read by His Holiness Pope Francis.

http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...ut-we-assist-jews-get-rabbi-nachman-back.html
Dear Pope Francis...... how about we assist the Jews to get Rabbi Nachman back?
........

I quoted you in post #4, page 1, so that a significant percentage of Catholics would read this...... pass this along to their priest or bishop...... or favourite Sister or Nun and eventually a high percentage of officials in the Vatican State would be aware of what I did not understand....... until you explained it to me.
(Emphasis mine)......

 

AboveAlpha....... sometimes I get these little films in my head........ and perhaps five years or so ago...... I had one that I know could actually turn out to be useful.

After submitting for the Virgin Earth Challenge......... I was researching how much danger we really were in from rising oceans levels............ I found out that it could get really bad, surprisingly fast.

Dr. James Hansen stated that the last time that earth's temperatures rose by three degrees, ocean levels rose by about twenty meters in only about four centuries.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090205142132.htm
Collapse Of Antarctic Ice Sheet Would Likely Put Washington, D.C. Largely Underwater

So although I had already submitted at least one, if not both writes ups for the Virgin Earth Challenge........
http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...ssions-25-million-virgin-earth-challenge.html
My two somewhat humorous submissions for $25 million Virgin Earth Challenge.

..... I saw a third one in my head that actually could be useful some day.

In that film in my head I saw hundreds and thousands of workers, it would seem to have been North Africa much as Mr. Carl Cantrell suggested....... and they constructed a massive concrete fish farm........ they pumped salt water straight into it directly from the ocean......... the top was more narrow so that the water temperature didn't get too warm too fast........ and at the top there was like a roof........ almost like a mirror....... glass painted white so that the suns rays hitting the top of this fish farm were reflected back out into space...... but in the Sahara we still had a far amount of evaporation/ desalination taking place.... .and fresh water was running down the outside of the concrete walls of the fish farm into the surrounding sand................ This thing was massive.......... and it looked like many cubic kilometers of ocean water could be pumped into this in just one year..................... I believe that there are ways to deal with rising ocean levels........ that are far far far better than building dikes to protect cities?!

 

The problem is we are seeing Ocean Sea Levels increase so fast it will be near impossible to counter them.

When Cold Salt Water traveling south becomes lighter due to a heavy influx of fresh water as fresh water is lighter than salt water....the weight of north traveling warm salt water will weigh about the same as cold south traveling diluted salt water...the North Atlantic Heat Transference system will stall.

Then we will really be screwed.

AboveAlpha

 

After I read your explanation for this a few days ago......... I got another one of those little films in my head......... I saw ships installing............ unusual looking devices in the Atlantic..... a string of them for dozens or perhaps even for hundreds of miles......... They had a like a ship's rudder under water............ They floated....... they were connected by chains.................. these rudders guided the cold ocean current from the north to stay toward the west........ and also guided the warmer Gulf Stream current to continue to go in a easterly direction toward Europe........... This is kind of simplistic....... but if by meeting head to head the two currents stop each other......... then one option is to force the two currents to the right vs the left....... or more accurately...... west vs east...............

Genesis 11:6
"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."

As long as we can FINANCE THIS......... we can actually do this................ and....... we have little choice but to figure out a way to finance this....... much as economist John Hotson so eloquently stated......

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...eform-our-unsustainable-financial-system.html
How can we now reform our unsustainable financial system?
Is John Hotson Ph. D. correct in the following assertion?

http://www.mailstar.net/money.html

How can the Democratic Party use this idea to recover their lost popularity?

A related question is.... did President Lincoln actually save American taxpayers roughly four billion dollars in interest payments?

If so.... how can we apply this principle in 2014 without causing excessive jitteriness on the financial markets?

 

Dennis...the Human Race has no ability to counter what is coming and it is coming.

It is just a matter of time.

Canadian's will not survive it...neither will most European's, Russian's or American's in the Northern States.

The Human Race has survived such things before...and we are more than capable now of surviving what is coming...but it is coming.

AboveAlpha

 

But......… there are some things that we can theoretically do that might delay certain events by a decade or two or even three...........

And...… to whatever degree what near death experience Christian Andreason was shown about UFO/ aliens with off the scale technology, sometimes cooperating with a higher intelligence that cares about us humans......… is another part of the formula that has a lot of potential as well...…

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

AboveAlpha...… remember how one of the first things that I ever told you about myself is that I had volunteered to become some sort of "Yom Kippur goat" back in 1990........ well.... that is one of the reasons why I felt that I needed to tell our ally Pope Francis about this as well................... I strongly suspect that some of my theories on the fulfillment of Yom Kippur may relate to the hidden Fatima prophecies that scared the daylights out of the Pope who was running the Roman Catholic Church back in 1917. Frankly those prophecies still scared President Ronald Reagan's number one international ally...… Pope John Paul II...… or he would have released them to the general public?!

My theory....... is that Pope Francis has nothing really to fear from those Fatima prophecies but that they just explain articles from the Catholic Encyclopaedia from the eighth to 19th centuries.........

http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...ut-we-assist-jews-get-rabbi-nachman-back.html

Dear Pope Francis...... how about we assist the Jews to get Rabbi Nachman back?



No kidding Sir!

A good friend of mine from Israel has convinced me that if we Gentiles will assist the Breslovian Chassidic Jewish community to get the remains of Rabbi Nachman taken back to Israel......... there will be a massive shift that I believe will correspond with the ushering in of what will come to be known as the Age of Moshiach/ Messiah!

In a way..... humanity is about to find out that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus - Issa, in his glorified form............ has a fantastic sense of humour!

 

But........ he has no choice but to take the opinion of 41% of Democrats seriously!

http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...-want-congress-approve-obama-s-iran-deal.html

 

AboveAlpha...... do you think that I am probably incorrect or basically right to suspect that President George W. Bush and P. M. Stephen Harper may have been advised......... to ignore Kyoto...... in order to keep the Global Dimming Effect high..... so as to decrease, delay, postpone a general Global WArming trend?

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...m-harper-deliberately-use-global-dimming.html
Did President G. W. Bush and P. M. Harper deliberately use Global Dimming to..
.... mask...… to decrease..... to hide.......to postpone......... a general Global Warming trend?

A second legitimate question is..... within fifty years is it at all possible that we may find out that they may perhaps have had a basically good idea in doing this?

 

I just saw an interesting post on Facebook that shows how many people are disappointed with this deal...........


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153433377870837&set=a.212065930836.177240.678430836&type=1

 

Wow!

I just read another powerful article on this topic........ those first three paragraphs really grabbed my attention!!!!!!!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/14/iranian-dissidents-against-the-iran-deal.html

 

The DEAL SUCKS....but....in giving Iran what it wanted...after 16 to 24 month the United States will know whether or not Iran is honoring the agreement or not.

Forget all these A$$#@!E$ who keep posting that Iran has never and will never Enrich Uranium to Weapons Grade because people who say that are either complete SHILLS for the Iranian Religious Leaderships Nuclear Weapons Program or they are just people who ae CLUELESS IN THE EXTREME and never miss an oppertunity to get a ZINGER in on the United States.

There is absolutely no other possible reason for Iran to have secretly built and placed over 17,000 Uranium Enrichment Centrifuges in secret Underground Nuclear Facilities other than for one purpose.

That purpose is to secretly develop Weapons Grade Uranium using an old technologically archaic method of Uranium Enrichment as this technology is only used by Nations who seek Weapons Grade Uranium but do not have the Technology to develop Weapons Grade Uranium by any other mean than Centrifuge Enrichment.

A single Centrifuge can only produce a very tiny amount of weapons grade Uranium and that is why Iran had built over 17,000 of these Centrifuges and is why Iran tunneled out deep Underground Secret Nuclear Facilities to house these over 17,000 Centrifuges but unfortunately for the Grand Ayatollah's and Mullah's it would seem Iran's own scientists, engineers and physicists are doing everything they can to slow down the process as it seems they hope to delay as long as possible before the Iranian Islamic Religious Leadership can get their hands on any large numbers of Fission Bombs.

As I have posted that Cumputer Virus that penetrated Iran's secret underground Uraniaum enrichment centriguge facilities was able to falcify the computer diagnostic data coming from all Iranian Computer Mainframes as well as falcify the data coming from individual computer diagnostics of single Iranian Centifuges.

Thus as the centrifuges were running at an improper velocity this put back the Iranian Uranium Enrichment Program by a year or more.

After it was known that Iran knew their secret Underground Centrifuge Enrichment Facilities had been compromised and infected by a virus....the United States went PUBLIC and told the IAEA and U.N. that Iran had broken the NPT again by secretly building these Underground Enrichment Facilities.

The really strange thing is that any Iranian Scientist, Physicist or Engineer would have been well aware of the U.S. Militaries Deep Underground Radar Detection Capabilities as NASA has been using such Radar Systems from Interplanetary, Asteroid, Cometary and Earth and Non-Earth Lunar Survey's for MULTILE DECADES!!!

The ONLY grou that would not be keenly aware of such obvious U.S. Military Capabilities would be the Iranian Religious Ayatollah's and Mullah's and it would seem that Iran's BEST AND BRIGHTEST do NOT WANT THEIR RELIGIOUS LEADERSHIP TO GET AHOLD OF LARGE NUMBERS OF FISSION BOMBS!!!

Iran is capable of putting together one possibly two 5 to 7 Kiloton Nominal Yield Nuclear Fission Bombs and the difference of an extra 16 to 18 months by which time the United States will KNOW WITH 100% CERTAINTY IF IRAN IS HONORING THE AGREEMENT OR JUST BUYING MORE TIME TO BUILD MORE NUKES....well that difference of time will mean very little to the U.S. Military as a few cira 1945 U.S. Military Design Gun Barrel Fission Bomb's which weigh multiple ton's and can only be brought to target either by a driven truck or by placing them inside a Passenger Jetliner which due to the extreme capability of U.S. Radiation Detection we would KNOW Iran would be moving such weapons.

So.....the U.S. is fuly capable of seizing all Iranian Nuclear Facilities and capable of preventing any Passenger Airliner Suicide Runs.

But if the Iranian Service Branches do not STAND DOWN...as the Iranian Navy, Air Force and Regular Army are well aware any attempt to engage U.S. Military Forces for them would be SUICIDE.....well then it could turn into an Iranian Bloodbath.

They should STAND DOWN....but the Iranian Republican Guard will not so we will have to Obliterate the entire Republican Guard...unfortunate but necessary.

AboveAlpha

 

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I so thank you for this amazing explanation of what all is going on!!!!

In the past month I have read and reread chapter 5 of Dannion Brinkley's book, "Saved By The Light."

I had loaned my paperback version to somebody years ago and hadn't gotten it back but...... I really do like the GoogleBooks version of this as well.

As you know........ I am a firm believer that there is something to the anecdotal evidence for non-linear time and multiple time lines.

Chapter 5 of Dannion's book is a series of "prophecies" for the future........ but.......... they begin from 1975 when he had his near death experience. In the time line that Dannion saw during his near death experience....... both Iraq as well as Iran had developed both nuclear as well as other types of extremely dangerous weaponry.

The Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow study, on visions of the future as seen by people who are hypnotized and progressed into what they perceive as the future..... was done from 1980 to 1983.

Both the future events as well as the future events seen by hypnotized volunteers differs greatly from our time line but................ as you know............ it is possible according to high level theoretical physics that......... what they saw may well have occurred in another time line.

AboveAlpha...... chapter 5 of that book is well worth reading although it is clear that many of the serious disasters have been delayed and delayed and delayed in our time line.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/319103.Saved_by_the_Light

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As you well know......... and as usual....... I am forever getting myself into subjects far far far far above my security clearance level and pay scale..............

Rising ocean levels......... give all of us a good reason to support Pope Francis if he wishes to take point on a Middle East peace initiative that centres around the alternative theory on increasing climate stability through heavy investment in turning deserts green through large scale desalination of ocean water for agriculture........ and reforestation of the the nation of Jordan first...... I believe Egypt should be next........... and then we move on to the entire Middle East........(just as predicted by the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him), and the Prophet Isaiah in chapter 35.

The role that P. M. Stephen Harper might be interested in playing....... in a sense might be to delay and somewhat modify the Iran nuclear deal...... until either Mitt Romney and/or The Donald can get a team in place to look it over again..........?????

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-inspire-iran-scrap-nuclear-weapon-plans.html
Would Mitt Romney as President in 2016 inspire Iran to scrap nuclear weapon plans?

 

Canada has about as much influence as Sri Lanka.

 

In a way katzgar...... you are correct....... any small nation that will set a good goal........... and discuss the many ways that that goat could be achieved......... can also alter the behaviour of the G-8 and shift them away from an unwise decision just as P. M. Stephen Harper did back in 2011.

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...s-p-m-brokering-jordan-israel-peace-deal.html
Please pray or meditate on Canada's P. M. brokering Jordan - Israel peace deal?
I know that many of you pray or meditate so please

pray that P. M. Stephen Harper initiate a peace deal between Jordan and Israel?

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I am a member of a different Canadian political party but……… I have to admit that P. M. Stephen Harper is for good reason regarded as a rather "Davidic" figure by a high percentage of Israelis.

What he did for Israel back in 2011 at the G-8 was one of the most courageous and wise acts by a political leader that I have seen since I began to watch world events back in the '70's!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...per-stands-alone-at-g8-summit/article4263322/

I have extremely high hopes for..........

https://www.facebook.com/Dennis.Tate.4.Global.Greening

Turks and Caicos Islands should be given Canadian Territory Status.

 

People have to stop looking at Canada as if it has no influence.

With the exception of a few real PAINS IN THE A$$E$ in QUEBEC....most Canadian's and American's understand that CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES HAVE A SINGLE INTEGRATED MILITARY!!!

The bonds that exist between the United States and Canada go far beyond having the longest unguarded boarder in the world....have an INTEGRATED ECONOMY as the two Nations directly benefit economically from each other as well there are many Canadian Companies that are DIRECT U.S. MILITARY CONTRACTORS and one Canadian Company I am naming out of many which this companies name is D-Wave....the first Company in the WORLD to build for both MILITARY AND PUBLIC SALE....QUANTUM PROCESSORS AND COMPUTERS as although the U.S. Military does use Companies from all over the world as contractors no other Nation IN THE WORLD holds DIRECT U.S. MILITARY BLACK PROGRAM CONTRACTS as do CANADIAN COMPANIES.

The reason for this is that Canada and the United States are DIRECTLY CONNECTED BY BLOOD RELATIONS as just about every Canadian Family has BLOOD RELATIVES IN THE U.S.....and many, many AMERICAN'S HAVE BLOOD RELATIVES IN CANADA....as I certainly do.

Canada is the 2nd Largest Nation by Land Area in the WORLD....following Russia at #1, Canada #2, China #3 and the United States at #4 although the United States does not count TERRITORIES of THE UNITED STATES as far as total Land Area but it should as if you are a person born in a U.S. territory YOU ARE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN such as Puerto Rico, Guam, U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Soloman Islands, Marianas Islands, Caroline Islands and THOUSANDS OF OTHER ISLANDS IN THE ATLANTIC AND PACIFIC which are Teritories of the United States...thus the U.S. would rank as #3 and China as #4.

Anyways.....the U.S. and Canada operate as a SINGLE ENTITY and when the Soviet Union and now Russia and China put out their yearly Nations of the World Military Threat Assessment.....they always include Canada with the United States as one entity and label them as NORTH AMERICA.

There is not a Government on the face of the Earth that does not know that if it were to Military Mess with Canada that the United States would come down upon any aggressor nation LIKE THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD!!

The two Nation's also with the exception of Quebec have an extremely identical culture and share Sports Leages and share Bi-National Corporations.

As well both Nations act Politically the same in most instances such as when Putin annexed the Crimea it was a combination of both the U.S. and Canada that FLOODED THE WORLDS OIL MARKET.

So....Canada does have a lot of influence as Canada is part of the North American Military, Economic and Natural Resource Entity that is the U.S. and Canada.

AboveAlpha

 

Here is a good reason to NOT put an extra 150 billion dollars into the hands of Iran!

 

In a major way, the fact that we Canadians have somewhat closer ties with England, we were responsible for dragging our elder brother the USA into both WWI and WWII.

When Americans read about serious numbers of casualties among Canadian troops wherever they happen to be, the probability of the USA also getting involved goes up and up and up.

In a very real sense the 407,300 American soldiers who died in WWII could be seen as having saved the lives of 407,300 Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, and residents of all the British Commonwealth, but the actual number could well be even higher than that, because the equipment that you brought into WWII was of a calibre that we Canadians and Brits could not possibly have came up with without your also being emotionally involved in World War II.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

I am one of the Canadians who feels a sense of guilt as well as responsibility regarding the historical fact that we Canadians were terribly under informed regarding the real cause of the American War of Independence. I believe that we had known what was actually going on, we would not have gotten involved in fighting against you back in 1776.


http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...-how-we-behaved-during-revolutionary-war.html

We Canadians owe Americans an apology for how we behaved during Revolutionary War!
For starters I would like to thank you Americans for being led and inspired by God better than we Canadians tend to be because it was seriously cool of you to decide to NOT persecute my United Empire Loyalist ancestors!!!!

Some of my ancestors were Masons from Dixie who came to Country Harbour, Nova Scotia at the time of the American Revolution. I deeply appreciate the fact that so many Americans were closer to God than we Canadians tend to be and somehow your leaders were guided to not persecute us!

Secondly I would like to express my guilt/shame over the fact that my ancestors were gullible and obviously we bought into stories regarding the cause of the American Revolutionary War that were exaggerated and in many cases outright lies!



Chapter 49 — The History of Banking Control in the United States
http://www.michaeljournal.org/plenty49.htm

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A written apology is a beginning.......... but I have something much larger in mind:

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=403008&page=57&p=1065298019#post1065298019
How do you propose we pay off the 18 trillion dollar debt cloud hanging over the US?

 

The issue is not really whether we could possibly have gotten more but whether or not we and the other parties to the negotiations got enough. And the answer from most knowledgable persons is that yes, we did get enough to close Iran's paths to a nuclear weapon assuming they were on the path to start with. Even that idiot Netanyahu has agreed that the treaty would extend the time for Iran to develop a nuke for years and years.

 

I would greatly appreciate a link to an article quoting P. M. Netanyahu actually saying that?

 

The additional time will not make much difference.

It is the difference between Iran having 1 or 2....5 to 7 Kiloton Nukes or.....4 to 6....5 to 7 Kiloton Nukes.

These weapons are a copy of a 1945 U.S. Military Fission Gun Barrel Design......and these Fission Bombs are HEAVY and LARGE and impossible to be placed upon a Missile.

I don't like the DEAL but it does show the United States went the full extrra mile because after 16 to 24 months Iran will either have honored the agreement or no longer exist as it does now.

My personal opinion?

The Iranian Ayatollah's and Mullah's have made a HUGE MISCALCULATION!!

They think if Iran has a few circa 1945 Fission Bombs that this would deter a massive U.S. Invasion and seizing of all Iranian Nuclear Sites.

IT WILL NOT!!!

They have made a HUGE TACTICAL ERROR!!!

There is NOTHING more important to the United States than the PRESERVATION OF THE NPT!!!

NOTHING!!!

The extra 16 to 24 months we give Iran will mean very little difference MILITARILY.

We can track the movement of any Nuclear Weapon and Iran has only 2 ways to deliver such a Nuclear Fission Bomb to target....
#1. DRIVE IT TO TARGET ON A TRUCK.
#2. Place the Fission Bomb inside a Passenger Jetliner and fly it to target on a suicide run.

The United States will know EXACTLY where any Iranian Nuclear Weapon would be and if Iran attempted to place on inside a passenger jet we would know or if Iran attempted to place a Nuke inside a truck...we would know.

It goes without saying that the moment we detected and determined that Iran was attempting to load a Passenger Jetliner with a Nuclear Weapon that THAT WOULD BE THE LAST THING IRAN EVER DID AS AN ISLAMIC STATE!!!

The U.S. Military is fully capable of seizing all Iranian Nuclear Facilities and if necessary although I hope it will not be necessary and the Iranian Navy, Air Force and Regular Army will STAND DOWN.....because if they do not stand down and we catch Iran attempting to load a Fission Bomb on board a Passenger Jetliner....it would result in the deaths of every single member of the Iranian Military.

Fortunately we have been talking to the Iranian Naval, Air Force and Regular Army Leadership and they just as we believe any attempt by Iran to use a Nuclear Weapon would be SUICIDE!!

So the fighting might be just confined to the U.S. Military obliterating the Iranian Republican Guard.....as the Navy, Air Force and Regular Army would be needed to be the new Military for a Democratic Iran.

AboveAlpha

 

One would assume since you are on this forum you are capable of using the internet!