Off the Chart Universal and Multiversal Models.

The more that I read about the human spirit or soul the more seriously I take the old saying that he who saves one life, saves a world.

On that note I would like to get your reaction to this theory when you have some free time.

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...ambach-ph-d-research-ndes-issue-abortion.html

The Helen Wambach Ph. D. research, NDE's and the issue of ABORTION??!!



Helen Wambach Ph. D. did a fascinating study on volunteers who were hypnotized in which they reported having some sort of higher dimensional consciousness that existed before birth. This consciousness came into the foetus at or near birth!!!!!!

http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html

Kevin Williams is one of the most off the scale brilliant intellects that I have ever had the privilege to read tons of web pages by and he is personally pro-choice due to his research on NDE accounts:
.......................(but this is just the introduction...… and the conclusion doesn't begin until post # 2).....

 

Actually.......... AboveAlpha's theory on Multiverse has enormous philosophical implications and you are hereby invited over to this other thread where I quote AboveAlpha a great deal.......

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...osophical-implications-multiverse-theory.html

The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?

 

Look....I am not going to waste anymore time going back and forth with you.

So I am dropping the issue.

AboveAlpha

 

Well that's why we use Math and run Experiments!! LOL!!

Admittedly when you run an experiment to detect something so slight and the method you use has instrumentation detection so sensitive there is always a great possibility of contamination of the data.

So it's important to have a number of control groups.

The only thing right now that is telling us that some form of Multiversal System exists is Quantum Processors.

And there is even an argument about that.

But as we do know that Dark Matter and Dark Energy are doing what they do....there must be some sort of Universal Bleedover or Connectivity between Verses.

Spiral Galaxy outer rim stars are moving too fast for the amount of existing Mass and the Gravitational Mass effect of Sagittarius A*.....which is the Supermassive Black Hole at the center of the Milky Way....is simply not enough Mass to generate the currently existing Gravitational Effect that is holding not only the Milky Way's Galactic Rim Stars in orbit around the Galaxies central Black Hole buy as well the Orbiting outer rim stars of every spiral galaxy.

We have absolutely no clue what Dark Matter is but we know what it does!!

We also know what Dark Energy is doing even though we are clueless as to what it might be as Dark Energy is expanding Space-Time in between all Galaxies as it does not push or pull them....it is creating Space-Time between them.

And as Dark Matter and Dark Energy comprise over 96% of our Total Universe....well....there is DEFINITELY a HELL of a lot more going on that is existing in more than just our One Universal Reality!!

AboveAlpha

 

AboveAlpha posted something earlier about Virtual particles and I found a resource that introduces it:

Virtual Particles: What are they?
http://profmattstrassler.com/articl...ysics-basics/virtual-particles-what-are-they/

 

Very nice catch Wgabrie!!

AboveAlpha

 

In what sense does quantum processors show anything about multiverses? To the best of my knowledge, successful quantum processing makes multiverses less likely, since it would now have to explain information being transferred between these universes, whereas non-multiverse theories don't have that problem.

 

Not really.

Quantum Computation using Quibits which use Quantum Superposition to allow a Qubit to be both a 0 and a 1 which allows a Quantum Processor to compute every single possible answer before Wave Function collapse gives a result and answer that is specific to this single divergent universal state of reality.

When doing such computations a Quantum Computer is said to be working in conjunction with all duplicate and alternate versions of itself existing within all Divergent Universal States.

This data exchange supposedly exists and is transferred within all duplicate but alternate Quanta as the very nature of a Quantum Particle/Wave Form would have to be a particle that exists within all Divergent Universal States of Reality but wave function collapse anchors it from a Virtual Multiversal State to a Particle State with Function and Value being set.

Now D-Wave did an experiment when it Digital Video recorded the robotic construction of it's first ten 100 quibit Quantum Processors.

There were a Digital Video of the first 4....another video of the 2nd four and a 3rd video of the last 2 Quantum Processors being constructed.

Four years later the CEO and Board of D-Wave watched the Digital Video of the first 4 100 Quibit Quantum Processors being robotically constructed....all 4 omputers immediately lost their ability to function upon a Quantum Level.

Then a fly that was trapped in a clear cup with a clear cover was taped onto the Computer screen and the 2nd Video of the second set of 4 D-Wave 100 Quibit Quantum Processors was shown only to the FLY with no humans present.....the 2nd set of 4 D-Wave Quantum Processors immediately stopped in their ability to Quantum Process.

The 3rd Video I am not aware of what they have done with it yet.

AboveAlpha

 

Well, never before have I found someone who was that excited over someone's baby steps!

 

Well, I don't know what they did regarding observation of the third video, but for me the next step would be using single celled life forms that have eyes. Yes those exist!

 

You know....I was wondering about something similar as far as at what level of observation would a Microscopic Single or Multiple Celled Organism be capable of such as is detecting an Electrons field by such an animal be enough to collapse wave function.

AboveAlpha

 

Some of the single cells really have developed eyes. One such example is the warnowiid.

Single cell eyeball creature startles scientists
https://cosmosmagazine.com/life-sciences/single-cell-eyeball-creature-startles-scientists

 

This line makes me wonder if photosynthesis itself would be enough to collapse the wave function?

 

COOL!

AboveAlpha

 

Well would you mind putting those explanations in a separate quote or something? It's very hard to keep track of your points when you go on and on about stuff that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the actual points.

What I mean is that other interpretations of quantum physics deal with quantum computing in less awkward ways. A multiverse version would for instance need to somehow keep track of which parts of the universes are linked, and in what ways, which, while not in any way disproven, would be quite arbitrary and seems to play a lot to human understanding of space and time, which we know are simplifications at best anyway.

 

I knew when you answered it would set meta many mouths universes in motion, lol You are correct Swensson. AA contradicted himself in his reply to you when he said "Quantum Computation using Quibits which use Quantum Superposition to allow a Qubit to be both a 0 and a 1 which allows a Quantum Processor to compute every single possible answer before Wave Function collapse gives a result and answer that is specific to this single divergent universal state of reality. "

There are several errors in that statement alone. One a quantum computer can not calculate every single possible answer to everything. AA was correct in that they would be faster orders of magnitude faster because unlike binary computers that use a one or a zero quantum puters use four possibles ie “one” or “zero”, and both at the same time. They will be superb at hashing out the true nature of superposition etc though. However the detection of other dimensions and universes will remain undetectable, because even super position is stuck in our universe just like us, well according to the most popular interpretation of QM reva

 

This is beyond our understanding.

They postulate that a Quantum Computer is working in conjunction with all of it's duplicates that are computing in all Divergent Universal States of Reality and as such states are infinite in number there is going to be not only alternate Quantum Systems working on infinite variations of the problem but as well there are going to be infinite numbers of Quantum Systems working on completely different problems.

Rather than store information as 0's or 1's as conventional computers do a Quantum Computer uses Qubits which can be a 0 or 1 or both at the same time. This “Quantum Superposition” along with the Quantum effects of Entanglement and Quantum Tunneling allow Quantum Computers to consider and manipulate all combinations of bits simultaneously thus making Quantum Computation extremely powerful and fast.

As to how and why they work with alternate versions of themselves....the best answer I could give is they are following a Natural Law of the Multiverse.

AboveAlpha

 

You are confusing the use of the word DIMENSION with the basic Hollywood narrative.

A Dimension is simply a term of Geometry where as a Divergent Universal State of Reality is what you should have stated rather than use the word Dimension in the manner you did.

AboveAlpha

 

Well, of course they do. What else could they possibly be doing? My point is still that such a law would be more complicated and arbitrary (from our current point of view) than many other interpretations of quantum physics. While that doesn't let us disregard it, it forces us to not regard it any higher than any other conceivable interpretation. As such, it's more scifi than science.

 

As I have said AA I have nothing personal against you. However I am suspicious of anyone that spreads his own questionable opinion as current scientific theory. I will admit I am as bad as you for going off on tangents and going on and on about this and that. Please just try to be specific, and edit the word salad if asked.

You are entirely incorrect! Well I didn't know there was a Hollywood version of a dimension, but Einstein was made famous for discovering the 4th dimension! (spacetime). This is precisely why I am so hard on you! It's true that the fourth dimension is described by math ("4D") is a geometric space, but its a real thing or could be. In my reply I was using the word 'dimension' to describe a space where a alternate universe could reside. Damn, I didn't know Hollywood was into theoretical physics!

A dimension is a space with the least amount of coordinates to describe any point in that space. I am just asking you to pare down the embellishments and the fabrications when discussing difficult subjects. Also when making statements presented as 'facts' please note it as such. I would be happy to do the same. Thanks AA.

reva

 

Excerpt of AAs reply to Swensson;

Above Alpha said; "They postulate that a Quantum Computer is working in conjunction with all of it's duplicates that are computing in all Divergent Universal States of Reality and as such states are infinite in number there is going to be not only alternate Quantum Systems working on infinite variations of the problem but as well there are going to be infinite numbers of Quantum Systems working on completely different problems."

Issue Number One; If I read your reply correctly your referenced an 'infinite' number (isn't that a contraction. lol?) of variations. You also said; "there are going to be infinite numbers of Quantum Systems". What makes that statement so confusing is this; Are you using infinite as in mathematics, or are you using it as embellishment not to be taking literally?

reva

 

AboveAlpha told me this before...

That there was an electron. Now the electron could be powering a generator or it could be grounded out. But what happened was that the electron was both powering the generator and being grounded out at the same time.

Now how does that happen? Well there are many ideas about that in quantum mechanical theory.

I think, the idea which AboveAlpha subscribes to states that they are doing both because they are in a super position. The electron exists as all possible states. And it continues existing in all possible states until it's observed and then, as they say, the wave function collapses and the electron only exists at one specific state in our Universe. What happened to the other states? They still exist but in other Divergent States of Reality.

Divergent States of Reality being other Universes similar to ours but where the electron ended up in a different state than ours when it collapsed. The Universe branched out into all possible states, each Universe as real as another.

 

Uh huh, yes, ok, alrightie' then, if AA said that, it must be true! I give up. Hey Wgabrie, has anyone told you that your writing style is nearly identical to AA's?

God bless you and this forum.
reva

 

Yes, you've told me that before, about the similarity between AA's and my writing.

Well, I don't think it used to be that way. But AboveAlpha has had a big effect on me. And I've picked up some of his bad habits. Like using caps. Well, I'm not using any now, but sometimes I use it to emphasis words. I used to just make them italic.

And anyway, I was writing about his example of an electron that he told me about. So since it was his example I'm using almost his exact wording to describe it.

 

Yeah but not as far as the Math dictates.

The Math is telling us that Particle/Wave Duality cannot be an inherent trait of only one Universal Reality.

How are you with Multiversal Polymorphic Algebraic Equations and how they lead us into a specific off branch of Calculus that has been developed to deal with the Multiversal Model?

If you are up on it I can post a few equations in a PM or here if you prefer?

AboveAlpha