POLL: Should we apologize to the blacks for enslaving their ancestors?

I am curious are you for sending all illegals back to where the came from because they to are taking jobs.

 

I'm more concerned with the rich and their obscene wealth, then a current shortage of menial jobs- if such a thing even exists.

 

they take jobs that most Americans don't want.

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its your homework, bro...as its your claim!!!

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he can't prove it

 

First rule of debating: "You make the claim, you have the burden of proving it with evidence".

 

They do jobs that most Americans will not do for the wage that are paid. If the were not here wages would have to go up until the jobs are filled.

 

no, they do jobs that most Americans won't do for even $60k a year.

picking fruit and vegetables all day in the hot sun?

gardening in Texas and LA in the summer?

most Americans won't do it.

 

No one said those coming from Europe were not complicit with what occurred. Only that those who orchestrated the slave trade, and made it possible, were also black. Those that sold their neighbors, and even their relatives, are responsible for what occurred, as they created the supply.

Furthermore, the fact you hurl the term racist about with no knowledge as to who or what I am, simply reinforces the notion that you are without a legitimate counter argument. So you rely on name calling as if it absolves you of all responsibility to counter whatever argument is presented that does not fit your narrative. It does not.

 

That is exactly what you said! "No one to blame but themselves."

Those societies don't even exist any more!

No, but when you try to argue that blacks enslaved themselves you come off as a huge racist. Usually it's only racists that say things like that, and such twisted blige only makes sense if you are a racist.

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This is a strange way to categorise all public sector work. Health care workers definitely don't have their feet up. Neither do postmen, in my experience.

lol

Oh no, the legal system protecting the citizenry! Where do those blacks get off, knowing their rights!?

 

Who was it that sold their relatives as if they were nothing but a common commodity, no different than expedition?

Such as how the only people who talk about the crimes in the city of Chicago are racist?

The true racist in this discussion is you yourself. You are the one arguing that blacks, as both a race, and a people, are so inferior that they cannot possibly be regarded the same as other people, as they cannot be regarded as responsible for their own actions, but rather victims of their environment, with absolutely no control over what they might do if provoked.

 

He's not capable of proving it because he's just parroting what he heard on talk radio. It's very probably a true statement though. Black populations are largest in the cities, where the public sector is also the largest. Also blacks have filled positions in the federal government and some state governments since before the civil rights movement, when they were barred from any non-crappy work in the private sector.

But the statement is meaningless. It's only worth pointing out if you're a reactionary who thinks blacks and public sector unions both are out to do nothing while you sweat to death in a Wallmart isle.

 

Now we're back to shifting the blame. I have no qualms about condemning which ever societies sold people into slavery (not sure how common it was to sell your nephew, they were usually already slaves), but there's no point, because as we've established those societies do not exist. The American state does exist.

You don't have to be racist to be concerned about organised crime in black neighbourhoods, but people generally don't blame Italians for the Mafia.

I talk about organised crime, and nobody calls me a racist for it. Maybe you're doing something wrong, like not acknowledging that crime syndicates exist with the consent of the system, not the community that immediately surrounds them? Or painting organised crime as a 'black problem' despite the gangs being modelled on corporations and evolving out of the Italian Mafia?

(*)(*)(*)(*)ing lmao

I've done none of that.

 

So, here we are. The culture of the slave trade, as it was in the U.S. no longer exists. The people who participated no longer exist. The laws and social constructs that supported that whole mess are gone. Gone. Let's get over it, and get on with life in the present.

 

Then why are you trying to detract from the fact that it was blacks who sold other blacks, and made the slave trade possible to begin with?

 

I blame it on prohibition, many poor black people choose the gang life as a way to survive as the war on drugs funnels billions into gangs, which has led to the rise in gang culture

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Actually the teaching of revisionist history hadn't reached grade school and high school when I was going to school ( 56-6 But it was already being being taught in our colleges and universities by the late 1960's.

During the 1970's most college students already knew by word of mouth which college professors and instructors were using cultural-marxism by teaching revisionist history to further the political agenda of the radical left.

 

Once again, who is this we?
You got a mouse in your pocket or something?

Dig up all these wrong doers, and lecture their bones. Because, you're not going to have much luck getting people to apologize for wrongs committed long brfore their time.

I'd say living in the past is pretty counter productive. You might actually accomplish something if you strive to make the future better for folks.

 

What about all of the indigenous Native American Indian tribes that owned black slaves and participated in the slave trade between the tribes ?

Some tribes owned and participated in the slave trade into the 1890's. Well they are a considered to be a sovereign nation when on the rez.

Do they get a complete pass ?

Lets not forget the white slaves that were kept in slavery by Native American tribes and traded from tribe to tribe. For example the Oatman girls.

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Because it's a meaningless point, only brought up to dodge talking about the legacy of slavery.

 

Assuming by 'cultural Marxism' (not a real thing) you mean 'critical theory', it has nothing to do with the radical left. Radical leftists might find critical theory and other sociological schools to be useful, but you can engage in critical analysis without being a Communist. It's generally used to inform interdisciplinary analysis (ie, critical theorists find stuff out that is useful in other disciplines) and social policy, not Communist revolutionary goals.

I don't see what it has to do with history, as it has nothing to do with studying history. It's mostly about media analysis, studying gender and understanding the ideological workings of the state.

 

mfw blacks still face social and institutional discrimination

mfw when blacks face police brutality and harassment

mfw blacks still confined to ghettos

 

Blacks have literally sued because they (Americans) were not tired for agricultural work in favor of undocumented workers.

Most liberals are incredibly bigoted against Latinos and particularly Mexicans. They - like you - claim that undocumented workers are all out in fields picking vegetables and fruit because that is all they are good for, next documenting YOUR claim that is how most are employed.

SO... PROVE your claim that no Americans would work in agriculture for $60,000 a year. Your "first rule of debate, prove what you claim."

Also PROVE your claim that most undocumented workers in the USA are working out in fields in agricultural work. PROVE it.

Democrats and liberals are incredible bigots. White people can become Americans. Blacks can become Americans, though will always be views as black Americans as separate group of people. But Latinos never really become Americans to Democrats. Even if here for generations, not if here for centuries.

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How are blacks "confined to ghettos?"

And for starters, tell us how YOU discriminate against blacks.

 

99% of all people in the world had ancestors who were slaves and/or serfs.

Do you think blacks should apologize to Native Americans? They joined in troops to kill Native American women, children and men, and stole Native American's land. When are black people going to apologize for this?

 

If "cultural-marxism" isn't for real then "political correctness" isn't real.

The politically correct term for cultural-marxism" is "political correctness."

There's the type of revisionist history of rewritting or editting history when new historical facts surface or are discovered.

Then there is the "cultural-marxism" revisionism of rewritting history using a lot of lies to further a leftist political agenda.

For example one of the first things liberal revisionism called for during the early/mid 1960's was to rewrite the history of the American Civil War.

One indoctrination was to teach that the Confederate Battle flag was the flag of the Confederate States of America. The CSA flag was the "Stars and Bars" not the Southern Cross you see on the Confederate battle flag. Even though there is no known history of the KKK flying or standing behind the Confederate battle flag before the 1950's most were taught they did and that the Confederate battle flag also represented slavery. No it didn't, that's revisionist history to further a leftist political agenda.

Another example of cultural-marxism revisionism was for CPUSA and many of the labor unions in America to distance themselves and hide the fact that they were aiding Nazi Germany's war efforts until Comrade Hitler attacked Comrade Stalin in 1941.

One of the most recent use of PC revisionist history was changing the "Philippine Insurrection" to the "Philippine-American War." For over one hundred years every history book, newspaper, class room, even the Hollywood left called it the Philippine Insurrection until around 2010. Then in the name of political correctness they changed the name of a war.

 

What American ghettos that haven't experienced black flight and have been turned into barrios with a taco truck on every corner,
American black ghettos have air conditioning, cable TV, flat screen televisions, a six pack of 40 ouncers in the fridge and so much free stuff, the only thing you have to spend money on is crack and a BJ from the hooker on the corner.