How do we prevent these mass shootings?

Not the "entire population". There must be some Americans who are reasonable people and not gunlovers.

 

So much is the pity.

 

More guns, demonstrably, do not make society less safe.

 

The percentage of Jews in Germany in 1933 was less than 0.7%.
Gun ownership under Hitler for ordinary citizens was relaxed from what was the case in the Weimar Republic.

 

So you're against improved access to mental health treatment and reporting people who ate on the brink of a breakdown?

 

And the european countrys that have virtually no gun laws that also have this as a rarity.

Also we have more gun laws in place than most countries.

 

I just got home at 9.45 PM from our town which is as peaceful as one could wish. Not a sign of a policeman anywhere and no need for one either.

 

The countries with the greatest number of mass shootings per capita are European countries.

It is possible that due to genetics and inbreeding Europeans are just too dangerous to allow having handguns. But take away their guns and they just kill each other with knives, bricks, clubs, any weapon they can find. Europeans historically are very murderous people in general. Murder is deeply engrained in European cultures.

 

The most we can do is to improve society which is a large part in the increase of this incidents. We can bring the issues down to 90's/80's levels but we cant stop all people. I mean there are people who are sane who will do it just because.

 

So is my town. People are armed to the teeth and everyone knows it. It is fairly open policy to shoot criminals and there are lots of people to do it. This is not a gun free zone. It is an armed to the teeth zone. That doesn't necessarily mean criminals are shot. They might be cut up into pieces and fed to wild hogs, though that isn't official policy. More like an historic social policy.

 

I can use anecdotal towns for america as well. That doesn't work off paper.

 

Still, as with the US, the gun control measures were racist in nature. But the point is Switzerland sort of skews your whole argument. They have guns everywhere and yet one of the safest countries in the world.

 

Switzerland is not in the European Union.

 

Like most Europeans, many Americans are openly willing to be victims and committed to never defending anyone or themselves.

 

Yes, we've covered that already. Wholly irrelevant, not to mention contradicting your original argument.

 

Exactly. Nothing is more bizarre than to claim the people who are safest are the people least able to defend themselves. ALL VICTIMS of mass shootings were unarmed. It is VERY, VERY rare that an armed person is raped or murdered. 2.5 million crimes a year and 200,000 rapes are prevented merely by the would-be victim having a firearm, even without firing it.

I've been trying to find any instance where a person OPENLY carrying a firearm in open carry states has been robbed, raped, assaulted or murdered. Haven't found one. I can find MILLIONS of examples of that happening to unarmed people. So, yeah, the DUH principle applies, doesn't it?

 

[video=youtube;j30-NmsIjVc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30-NmsIjVc[/video]

 

I do not know any other way I can tell you that Switzerland is an exception. It is not like any European Union state.

 

Did you read my post to mean that "the people with the keys" lock themselves up so that they could mass murder themselves? How absurd.

Who decides which folks need to be restrained from murder, and which get to keep their so called freedom to murder? Don't these deciders have to apply their standard to the entire population? Don't they exclude themselves from this restraint?

I wish the idealists would take a moment to actually think about their ideals in practice, instead of simply imagining perfection.

 

well as much as I hate when people throw out gun stats that are wrong... and as much as I am trying to find a real answer to "now what do we do" without taking guns away... I would have to seriously call into question your per capita rates... all the information I've seen is there really is less per capita gun deaths in europe, statistically is not that significantly different from america, but you're making it sound substantially different from the reality I've seen... so, a much as I hate people saying this, care to share your source? I'm always open for new information, and generally I accept what I'm given, but this kind of flies in the face of everything I've seen for decades on the issue...



P.S. if we want to get technical about countries with the most "mass shootings" its often the 3rd world war torn countries where warlords massacre anyone who opposes them... but I guess folks don't count that as a mass shooting, they just ignore it and hope it goes away...

 

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On average, the Swiss are vastly more intelligent than people in the EU. Obviously.

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Because to you killing someone with a knife, hammer, bomb or machete just doesn't count, right?

Why is the gun-crazy USA circle so small?

 

I count any form of murder, but the current issue being blamed and confronted is guns... so I would think gun data is the most relevant to show and use...

and the "gun crazy USA" is small because these are "per capita"... you know... every 100,000 people of population "x" number of people are killed with guns...

looks very different from what you thought when you put it to a chart like this doesn't it... per capita we're not that gun crazy it seems after all... yet compared to some we are... but others aren't that far behind us... and many many are well ahead of the entire world...

P.S. the most amazing data, is when you exclude american cities with population over 50,000... the countryside of america has gun crime rates that equal the lowest in the world... but it seems once americans get together in larger cities, they want to shoot each other... per capita numbers in major cities are much higher than the countryside, and it only averages out nationwide to 10 per capita... its almost triple that in larger cities... like third world nations...

 

I've noticed when people start with " so you're " , what follows is usually completely off topic and not related to anything actually said. Such is the case again lol.

 

People should completely reject the liberal progressive ideology. It seems every time there is a shooting recently we find out the shooter is some nut case motivated by race, religion or some other political football liberals use to get votes. While the Republicans want to work onthe economy, jobs and the security of this nation liberal Democrats are obsessed with social engineering. "Hope and change" has not worked out well for the nation. That is why 2/3rds of the nation believe we are going in the wrong direction. We gave the democrats a chance and they have failed. Places ran by democrats are disasters. Cities ran by them are bad enough. We do not need the entire country turned into Chicago.

 

I wonder what kind of medication he was on?