What regultions/controls do you Gun Grabbers want

I feel it. A BTR can hold the whole posse. Plenty of room for a mega sound system with bar and plenty of safety if you have to button up. Tupac would still be alive if he had one.

 

Same old, same old, you guys really need a new line.

Cigarette manufacturers WERE sued, and paid billions.
Your home invader and car thief are not victims, and you CAN get sued if you were provably negligent in allowing your car to be stolen

 

What line? Truth? The Mideast is awash in firearms. Criminals predominately used the old Saturday night specials, mostly 22's, 25.s, 32's and low velocity 38's. After they were outlawed the bangers moved up to 9mm, 40's and 45, with high capacity mags. Nothing like the law of unintended consequences. With your suggestion, there's simply no limit to what will be sent in with the heroin that the government is so good as stopping. If I'm a banger and I'm going to do time, why get a Glock when you can get a Krink?

 

so your solution to gun violence, is to hold the owners responsible, even if the weapon is stolen, or sold to a third party who should now be responsible for them?

should we apply this same logic to cars? alcohol? fireworks? the computer or cellphone you're using right now?

or should we only apply this logic to weapons? in which case, all of the above still apply... lol... I love doing that...

I can't help but wonder, what happens if I am sleeping at home, someone is able to enter the home, and catches me asleep before I am able to arm myself... now they take off with my money, my gun, and for fun they stole my dog too, he's just that lovable... now they run over to my neighbors house, a twofer deal, and my neighbor heard the commotion at my place, and was sitting in the dark peeking out the window (thats not abnormal for him at all unfortunately)... he see's the guy running to his back patio and grabs the phone to call the police... but before he tells them whats going on... BANG BANG BANG... he's dead... guy runs off... you're saying, his wife should be able to sue me? for what, wrecklessness in owning a firearm and not being able to keep it under my control, despite me having to make a choice, attack him and get shot, or let him take what he wants while I sit in bed at gunpoint?

are you honestly suggesting gun owners, who have them stolen, or sell them to other legally buying parties, are held responsible?

I mean you realize, that literally would make guns cease to exist... why don't you just say, I want guns to cease to exist... be a little less passive aggressive...

does this mean, a weapon, stolen from a law enforcement officer of some sort, and used to kill someone, should mean that officer, and the department they work for, be charged and put in prison? maybe it was the shotgun they are required to have in their locked trunk, and the trunk was locked, should the mayor go to prison? how far do you truly want to take this...

now if I leave a gun laying out, and someone comes across it, and lets say a kid picks it up to play with it and shoots himself or someone else... I can agree I should be responsible for being so careless to leave a gun laying out... in fact, I think that law is already on the books in most states, perhaps not directly relating to a specific gun law, but wreckless charges in varying forms could easily be levied on someone in that instance... I'm sure we can both agree, thats actually fair...

but to suggest that if I purchase a gun, the gun dealer is responsible, or if I sell a gun I no longer want, after confirming someone passes a background check, that I should be responsible, thats just taking this a little too far... thats not a solution for the problems we have either... in many cases, these weapons were bought legally, after background checks... so the owner of the gun was the person who pulled the trigger, and bought the gun... but you want the gun store owner, and what the manufacturer of the gun and bullets, to be held accountable for that persons actions? so you literally don't want any guns? is that really what you're suggesting? because clearly there would be no way in which a business could continue to exist in your scenario of laws?

so your solution really is a gun grab... since about 1 year after your law was enacted... there would no longer be any gun stores or manufacturers anymore... so all that would be left are guns purchased prior... which I'm sure many people would rush to destroy so they could never be used, or they would scratch the serial numbers off them so nobody would know anyhow... now it really would become the wild west... as criminals seek to gain control with guns by actively seeking out known people with them, to steal them, ensuring this person has no power to stop them in the future... criminals would slowly gain all the power and control since no new gun supplies would exist, and previous owners would be afraid to sell weapons to anyone but the wealthy who would pay insane amounts to gain a supply of weapons and ammunition remaining...

heh thats ironic... eventually only criminals and the wealthy would end up with weapons... what a perfectly example of what happens currently with the unintended consequences of the laws proposed... lol that really is too funny... its almost the exact stereotype constantly put on liberals with their laws... and it fit to a T... the middle class become the losers...

I guess your idea of responsibility and my idea of responsibility, are vastly different... I see actions I commit, as being my responsibility, I see the actions others commit, as being their responsibility... and their breaking of the law, should negate my responsibility for their actions, because clearly they violated what society has deemed as responsible... but yet, you want to keep people held responsible for the criminal violations others commit... should we hold the parents of the shooter accountable as well, for their lack of responsibility in raising that child to be a good upstanding citizen, since you seem to suggest responsibility is a critical factor in these scenarios? I mean raising an uneducated, angry, and lawless child, surely they should bear some responsibility in your new world? no? why is it different?

 

Let's start with Universal Background Checks and Universal Registration.

 

I'm sorry, I missed your reply in crossposting, I think. My main objection was that there are no Customs to go through when traveling from State to State in the Contiguous US.

How in the devil did we get onto Heroin?

 

You can bring in the guns with the drugs, knowing how successful we are in preventing that particular intrusion. And then there will be absolutely no limits to what will come in. In for an inch in for a mile.

 

So you're cool with Obama selling guns to cartels but private transfers are bad. Fast and Furious is in the past I get it.

 

You'd really need to change the constitution before you can do that. Unless, of course, that pesky ol' rag isn't worth bothering with anymore. Secondly, hell no! Let the government know who has guns? Why in the world would you want to do that?

You might trust the government, but that's just being a pollyanna.

 

Currently America smuggles guns OUT of the country

With the main manufacturers inside America - where will you source the guns?

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Surely background checks are necessary for other things - such as passports etc

 

Yeah, by the same people that want to ban them IN the country.

Brady Campaign Award Winner Leeland Yee is probably not amused by that.

Oh wait, they don't smuggle them, they sell them or leave them sitting where ISIS can easily find them.

 

Yes, there are background checks for passports for things like outstanding warrants and alimony payments. . Those don't really apply to the constitution, as they are part of international treaty. They make for good photo identification in the country, but that's it.

There is no constitutional right to travel to other countries. That's up to the destination country to determine if you are eligible for a visa.

 

Really? The NRA wants to ban guns - did not know that!

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Sorry but I do not see why guns are so sacrosanct

Surely it makes sense to stop the Adam Lanza's of this world owning guns? As for a "right" - no right is unconditional

 

A knowledge of history might help. The reason why the second amendment is in there is because governments have a long and infamous history of taking arms away from people so they can be easier to control.

Saying that no right is unconditional just means you don't value the constitution. That's cool, but it is in there, and for a very good reason.

If you want to stop the Adam Lanzas of the world from owning guns, that's fine. I want lollipops to grow on lollipop trees.

Now back to reality land...

 

the word SENATOR might be a clue.

 

Your idea of liability and the law's idea of such are vastly different too. I am not saying you should be able to WIN your case if you're held liable, but only that there should be an actionable case. You still should have to prove negligence.

If a guy puts his gun in a safe and leaves it locked there when he's not at home then most courts would not be able to award him damages. If a guy leaves it on the kitchen table and leaves for FL I think there would and should be consequences, don't you?

And your doomsday scenario is as ridiculous as the guy stealing your gun and shooting your neighbor is silly. (why did he steal the dog, poor thing?)

What WOULD happen is people would rush to buy insurance, and the insurance companies would eagerly provide it. People who ARE responsible gunners would get discounts, people who aren't would be priced out of gun ownership, gun possession and gun based crazed murdering, the Invisible Hand works its magic, Ayn herself would be proud.

 

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Wow, you should apply to the Cirque d' Soleil, being able to stretch like that. OK, point taken, we need better Customs agents overseas before we can attempt to prevent intra state smuggling in the US??....

 

You should be able to leave your gun anywhere in your house without expecting someone to break in and steal it.

Your ideas are just a more convoluted methodology to blame victims.

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Unfortunately our border agents keep dying to guns sold by the current government administration.

 

Public opinion survey says.... .complete confiscation. But in due time.

1932 - regulate machines guns, short barreled rifle/shotguns, shotguns, any other weapons.
1968 - Introduce the "sporting purpose" clause to arbitrarily regulate firearms.
1986 - Outright ban machine guns manufactured after 1986.
1989 - Outright ban modern sporting rifles from import.
1994 - Outright ban scary looking modern sporting rifles.
2013 - Propose a ban on any semi-automatic firearm with a detachable magazine.
2015 - Propose a ban on all rifle ammunition.

Let's not lie to ourselves.

 

People should be able to go into a college classroom and not be shot dead by some (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) nut who bought a ****** arsenal perfectly legally, but that's their own fault for not arming themselves, right.?

You're damned right I'm blaming you if it was your gun that was stolen and hurt someone due to your carelessness. You, the gun owners who support lax laws, are the ones responsible for this nut having guns and you share in his guilt be any system of justice I know of. You can't say that you didn't realize snakes were snakes when it's you who are envenoming vipers in our midst.

 

Well, if that's public opinion then that's public opinion, yes? Isn't that how we do things in this country? Why do you guys hate America so?

Has it come to this, are your guns even MORE important to you than the country you all say you need them to defend?

 

How is it my carelessness that leads to a criminal illegally entering my house?

Which lax laws have we supported?

What gun law could prevent this? Plus I thought murder was already highly illegal.

Why does our own government supply arms to criminal organizations?

Why is the government not funding their own programs, or prosecuting those caught illegally trying to buy guns?

Why does violence continue to drop each year despite record gun sales and CCW licensees?

Why are there not major campaigns on mental health programs?

Why are there not major campaigns to put violent criminals away for life?

No. You want to make me a victim again by being the victim of someone breaking into my house.

 

lol

Have you read the Constitution?

The public opinion survey is a play on Archer, btw.

 

It's not about the regulations in themselves, they simply want to make the relevant qualification for gun ownership 'being a government agent', rather than being a capable gun owner. Anything which advances that cause is a positive step forward for them.

Most likely they want to seize a many firearms as they can. No matter the regulations, 350,000,000 guns in circulation = school shootings. A quick 10 year mandatory minimum for anyone in possession of a firearm ought to do it.

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We can only hope the liberty conscious areas of the US decide to secede rather than tolerate this nonsense. Violently resist if necessary. Another civil war. Regrettable, but worth it.