Is it moral for God to punish us?

OK....first of all...I do not as you state..."choose not to believe in a god"...end quote gophangover.

I am not an Atheist.....I am AGNOSTIC.

As anyone who follows the Scientific Method worth their salt should be.

And I also do not...as you state....."refuse to consider the possibility that you were made for a purpose beyond that of turning into worm food at your death."...end quote gophangover.

An AGNOSTIC a person who IS OPEN TO ANYTHING....but at the same time an AGNOSTIC understands that just because something is POSSIBLE.....does not mean that it is PROBABLE or IMPROBABLE.

Whether something is PROBABLE or IMPROBABLE is determined by what amount of EVIDENCE or NOT can be gathered using the SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

Now even if there might be a huge amount of EVIDENCE gathered by using the SCIENTIFIC METHOD.....and before it an even be called or defined as EVIDENCE it must be checked many times by using aspects of the scientific method such as DOUBLE BLIND PROOFS.....CONTROL GROUPS.....CROSS REFERENCING....PIER REVIEW.....ETC.

Now let's say a HYPOTHESIS such as.....The Earth is Round....is put forth.

At this point it is a Hypothesis only and not even a THEORY as to become a THEORY as least some EVIDENCE must be garnished using the Scientific Method.

So let's say the year is 1500 BCE and it is fairly well known that the ancient Egyptian Engineers, Astronomers and Mathematicians were fairly certain that the Earth was round even if they many times had to feign ignorance of this as to not upset certain very religious Pharaohs who thought themselves to be GODS.

So the Engineers, Astronomers and Mathematicians using a rudimentary form of the scientific method gathered up enough EVIDENCE to be able to change what was once an HYPOTHESIS into a THEORY.

Now at this point the Earth being round is just a THEORY even though they had quite amount of evidence to be fairly certain of this....and at one time and this even stretches into Modern Day Science Methodology.....when a THEORY has obtained such a massive amount of properly gained EVIDENCE to such a point that PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS have been developed using a THEORY....after a great amount of time has passed such a THEORY would be labeled a FACT.

Now...for all intents and purposes the Egyptian's and Mayan's and Chinese....and several other very Advanced Civilizations for their era the converting the THEORY that the Earth is ROUND into a FACT....was well justified.

HOWEVER....in the MODERN ERA and use of the SCIENTIFIC METHOD.....we now only convert THEORIES into FACTS....when a MATHEMATICAL PROOF has been developed.

An example...?

Two people are arguing over the amount of Ruby they have dug out from the mine and one man claims he has the mined the most Ruby and he pulls out a bag and counts the Rubies himself in the bag and he has 80 Rubies but without anyone seeing the RUBIES this man say's....."I HAVE A LOT OF RUBIES I MINED TODAY AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE 10% OF THE AMOUNT OF RUBY IN YOUR BAG AS I HAVE IN MY BAG!!!"

The other man say's....."Oh yeah? Well I have at least 20% of the amount of Ruby in my bag that you claim to have in your bag!

The first man ask's....."How about a wager? I bet you DO NOT EVEN HAVE 20% of the Ruby in your BAG that I have in my bag and if I win you have to give me ONE of your Rubies in your bag being anyone I choose......but if you win I have to give you one Ruby of mine....anyone you choose? Deal?"

The second man ask's......"If I win I get to choose and keep any one Ruby of your's...any one Ruby at all I choose?"

The first man say's...."YES!!! If I lose you can choose and keep forever any one Ruby of mine and the loser must pay immediately after the bet is lost!"

The second Man say's "OK....it's a DEAL but ONLY if OLDRICK the WISE who we all know was for 30 years the Ruby Miner and Cutter for the King watches over this wager and confirms the winner and whatever OLDRICK the WISE rules is what both of us will abide by as you and I both know he will never cheat either of us and exactly what we have just wagered in the exact words must be put on paper and ONLY OLDRICK the WISE shall rule over who wins and only OLDRICK the WISE shall award the RUBY that either of us has selected if we win....is this a DEAL?

The first man agrees on all accounts and rules and after the local scribe is paid by both men splitting a small bill....and the words of the agreed upon wager are in writing just as anyone who is reading the words here....and the paperwork given to OLDRICK the WISE who has been in the crowd the entire time and who understands the wager.



So....at this point the first man who is unscrupulous as he watched the second miner find a large Ruby but also knew he did not find many others has gone into the mine that day with 40 extra Rubies he had mined over the past few days and put them in his bag before he began to mine.

The First and unscrupulous man pulls out the Rubies from his bag and they are all about the same size of about the size of a pea and he places the Rubies on a table and arranges them into groups of 5 Rubies. Each group has 4 Rubies arranged in a square pattern with 1 Ruby being the 5th placed directly in the center of the square.

This First man arranges 16 Groups of 5 Rubies each and a table.....and he say's....."THERE! I HAD 80 RUBIES IN MY BAG and I watched you today in the mine and I KNOW you have nowhere near as many Rubies as I have!"


The second Miner who bet he has at least 20%of the Ruby in the first man's bag bag.takes out the Ruby from his bag and he only 6 total Rubies but although 1 Ruby is tiny...about the size of Half a Pea....and 5 other Rubies are pea sized or a bit larger.....the 6th and final Ruby the second man has is the SIZE OF A BASEBALL!!!

Everyone in the Village Common GASP!!! Everyone except the FIRST MAN...as the First Man set him up with this wager...or so he thought!

The First Man yell's.....I have WON.....20% of 80 is 16...and you only have 6....I WIN!!!

OLDRICK the WISE say's....HOLD ON!!! NOT SO FAST!!!

OLDRICK the WISE takes out a scale.....places the 80 Rubies on one side and places 4 One Pound Counterweights on the other side of the scale.....and OLDRICK the WISE proclaims....."THE FIRST MAN HAS 4 LBS OF RUBY!"

OLDRICK the WISE then removes everything from the scale and places the Second Man's bounty of a total of 5 small and one very large Ruby....and OLDRICK the WISE places counterweights on the other side and announces....."THE SECOND MAN HAS A BOUNTY OF 7 1/4 LBS OF RUBY!"

"I OLDRICK BEING THE KINGS RUBY MASTER AND VILLAGE RULER AND ELDER PROCLAIM THE SECOND MAN AS THE WINNER NOW THE WINNER SHALL SELECT ANY RUBY BELONGING TO THE FIRST MAN!!"

The First man was angry but he knew to disobey OLDRICK the WISE'S ruling would be a DEATH SENTENCE as OLDRICK was so loved and respected by the King.

The First Man tipped his hat to the second man and said..."You have won....so I honor the wager and you may select, take and keep for all time one RUBY of mine."


The Second Man had a glimmer in his eye and a peculiar smile and as he reached out past all the Ruby on the table his head reached out further and took the hand of the fairest maiden in the Village that was to be the WIFE of the First man promised to him by her father in exchange for 80 RUBIES!!!

Her name was....RUBY!

The Second Man took her hand and said to OLDRICK the WISE who also had a huge smile on his face......"OLDRICK.....I chose THIS RUBY TO BE MINE FOR ALL TIME....and I would be HONORED if you OLDRICK the WISE would be so kind as to cut this massive Ruby I have found to be my new brides WEDDING RING?"

OLDRICK the WISE replied...."NOTHING WOULD GIVE ME MORE PLEASURE!"

AboveAlpha

 

I cannot help thinking that if Humans had the technology that we do today back when Jesus walked the earth, the bible would be written entirely different.

 

1. There's a freewill of the people. All-knowing God can make a very high-level prediction of the behoviour. But there is a freewill.
2. There is no unified morality for everyone. If a doctor sees a person with a heart attack it is moral for him to make special procedures. If a person without special knowledge sees just the same it is not moral for him to kill this person of all the good intensions, but the duty is to get this person to a doctor and a doctor to this person ASAP. There is no reason why would God be a subject to any type of behaviour you consider to be moral.
3. Punishment is moral. It is a core of morality. Without the punishment there is no morality at all. The view of a punished person is a key. If having been punished a person stops to perform activities which lead to punishment - he doesn't suffer of the punishment itself, does he? But if a person regards the punishment as something worse comparing to what he did himself - there are no moral rules to blame God for this choice.

These points destroy the ground for the way you have put your question.

 

The Bible...both Old and New Testament was written and developed by the Roman Imperial Biblical Canon ordered written by the Roman Emperor Constantine.

Revelation was in fat REJECTED from entry into the New Testament over 7 Times by the Biblical Canon as being too....STUPID.

Revelation was so hated that it continually refused entry until the days of the massive Roman Legions were over and a new system of CONTROL needed to be developed to allow Rome to have Political Power.

Thus in 397 AD Revelation was forced to be added into the Bible and even then it was refused and did not enter into the New Testament until 419 AD.

WHY?

Carrot and Stick.

Rome used a system of Reward and Punishment through Revelation and using a Pope, Cardinals, Bishops and Priests was Rome able to control all of Europe and parts of Asia.

AboveAlpha....p.s....Why do you think only the FAB 4 or Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's Gospels were used and none of the other 8 Apostles?

Because the other 8 Apostles Gospels said that Jesus said that all men could become the Son's of GOD by following his teachings where as Matthew, Mark, Like and John's Gospels said that Jesus taught he was THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL SON OF GOD.

The more you know.....

AboveAlpha

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You can't have FREEWILL and a GODS PLAN at the same time.

AboveAlpha

 

Imagine that you are a teacher. You have a text-book and students. You have a plan for the lesson and the results you need to achieve at the end of the lesson and at the end of the course. Do you have the plan? Yes. Do you know the result? Yes. Do your students have a freewil? Yes.
Another example. You run a test with primitive substances - insects, rats. You have the knowledge which is much bigger then theirs. You see and create all the conditions for the experiment. But when you start it - it is up to insects and rats to perform. Every example cannot be 100% illustration of what happens between God and people. But it just gives an idea and logics how to combine the freewil of ones and the plan of the Other. The contradiction comes of sophisticated understanding of responsibility for the actions. It is so temting to blame God in everything bad that you commited yourself that many people who don't believe in Him do this trick without any logics involved.

 

This analogy does not work as I did not CREATE the students.

I did not develop a PLAN that knows every single thing they will or will not do from birth to death.

And it is illogical in the extreme to think any PLAN where I have complete and total control can exist knowing that Human's have FREEWILL.

You can't have an all knowing GOD and have FREEWILL at the same time....and no PLAN can take into account FREEWILL!!!

It is a Logical Fallacy.

AboveAlpha

 

The freewill is limited itself. It's a choice between sin and good. You don't even need to be God to know what choice will be made by the descendants of Adam and Eve. But a freewill is definetely making a difference for every person. The mechanism of soiety is doomed as any mechanism, but for the individuals life shows the difference.
There is no logical fallacy if you don't invent a false assumption which shares resposibility of every person and God. It's like an engineer who plans and makes a car which will definetely break down. There are strong and weak spots at the mechanism. Any engineer who plans it knows the probability of breakages. But the actual breakage happens not because of the engineer's mistake, because apart from the soulless parts of mechanism people have the freewill.
In order to see the truth you need to accept the responsibility for your own actions firtly and a belief that you were made as a part of the universe by Creator - God. Then everything comes to its place. But if you want to make a self-forgiving fallacy you need to take your freewil (limited) and God's knowledge (unlimited) and see a contradiction in two completely parallel things. God is too clever for you. He knows the choice you will do make on your own initiative.
When you throw a coin into the air you know that it is likely to fall either avers or reverse sides. But you are sure that it won't fall at a thin side, it won't collapse after it hits the ground and it won't fly in the air forever. God is just smarter than you and knows how the coin would drop down. If you were God you would have known the same.

 

Understand this.....Quantum Mechanics dictates that in order for any CHOICE to be made....ALL CHOICES MUST BE MADE!!!

This is why we have Particle/Wave Duality and this is why we have Psychics on the CIA, NSA, DIA and FBI PAYROLL!!!

Quantum Mechanics has made it clear to us that a Multiverse EXISTS!!

The development and current existence of Quantum Computers makes it clear to us a MULTIVERSE EXISTS!!

The fact that D-Wave sold a Quantum Computer to Google which is using it shows us a MULTIVERSE EXISTS!!

And here is the thing.....earlier on we thought that the Many Worlds Model represented the Multiverse...it does not!!

It only represents one Baseline Reality Universal Universal Grouping.

Our Universe is but one of infinite numbers of Divergent Universal Realities within and as a part of a single Baseline Reality Universal Grouping.

In this Baseline Reality there are infinite numbers of Earth's and you and I and everyone and everything else but each is slightly different BUT ALL EXIST IN INFINITE DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATES OF REALITY WHERE ALL NATURAL PHYSICAL LAWS ARE THE SAME!!!

This is describing the Many Worlds Model.

The Multiversal Model has INFINITE BASELINE REALITIES and each Baseline Reality has it's own Infinite in number Divergent Universal states of Reality.

Thus our Baseline Reality contains our Universe which is but one of an infinite in number amount of Divergent Universes all with the same natural physical laws.

But our Baseline Reality has completely different Universal Baseline Reality Natural Physical Laws then every other Baseline reality.

So in our Universe and all other Infinite in number Divergent Universal States of Reality that are part of ONE SINGLE BASELINE REALITY UNIVERSAL GROUPING.....well they all have the same natural laws of physics and chemistry and mathematics as our Universal Reality has.

But all other Baseline Realities....have completely different Natural Physical Laws than our Baseline Reality has of which our Universe is but one of an infinite in number of Universal realities within OUR BASELINE REALITY UNIVERSAL GROUPING!!!

Other Baseline Reality Universal groupings might have Natural, Physical Laws so different than out own Baseline Reality Universal grouping that things like Protons and Neutrons might not exist....Universal Space-Time could be so different as to not exist in any way we as humans with so limited a mentality could understand.

POINT IS....when members talk to me about GOD....I have to laugh.

Not because I don't believe and not because I do believe a GOD exists.

But I laugh because 99.9999999% of people have so limited a scope of knowledge of what reality really is....it is funny!

As example.....most people have absolutely no idea that 90% of all Living Cells in what we all the Human Body are NOT HUMAN CELLS!!!

Only 10% of our bodies are comprised of Human Cells!!!

There is just so much that people do not understand and so much people are simply unaware of that I find arguments over what was really meant in certain Biblical Chapters and Verse to be equal to claiming to understand why we have Quantum Particle/Wave Form Duality when even a person such as myself has a small clue.....I really do not know for certain.

Yet any idiot can go on this forum and argue over what a GOD actually was meaning when it supposedly said or did this or that??

LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Would women have still helped crucify the "nicest guy in the World", to let their "bad boy" with a criminal record set free?

 

It is a pagan fairy tale. Not more than that. There is no difference between this understanding of quantum mechanics and eplanation that a lightnening bolt comes as an arrow from the hands of Zeuz. Quantum mechanics gives new principles for Physics. It gives room for new theories, which would replace Einstein's. It is hard to underestimate its role in almost every device of the future. And it will definetely change the world we know into something which we don't know. But...

The problem of artificial intelligence is completely different. I would agree that quntum mehanics can be used in a certain aspect or to correct a certain problem, but alone it is not able to make any intelligence. If hundreds of years ago you would tell me that a steam engine or diesel engine would make an artificial intelligence just because it is much faster than horses... Nonsense! Read what is quantum mechanics. Check the source of what you are reading. Find me an article from any scientific magazine which would support your idea and I would beg for a pardon. But have a courage to face that after you check it - you would lose your pagan views of the world and some of the wizards from your leaership might lose some authority in your eyes.

 

OK....first before I give a full reply....what are you calling a pagan fairy tale?

Nothing personal but I really don't think you understand enough about Quantum Mechanics to say any of this and I know I don't have anywhere near what I need to know about Quantum Mechanics and no one else does either living on the Planet unless they are Visiting E.T.

Einstein's Theories of General and Special Relativity work within Quantum Mechanics because Einstein's theories are specific to both a single Universe and a Multiverse.

Example...GRAVITY is not a FORCE even though just about everyone here at some point in time was taught that Gravity was an attractive force.

It's NOT.

It's Space-Time Curvature and this has been DEFINITIVELY PROVEN along with a few other Einstein Theories using NASA's Gravity Probe A and Probe B.

Effects such as Dark Matter and Dark Energy which make up over 90% of the Universe are existing due to Multiversal Bleedover and no matter how much a person would like to dismiss Dark Energy which is literally GENERATING THE CREATION OF ADDITIONAL 10-D Plus Universal Space-Time in between Galaxies as the Galaxies are not being pushed or pulled apart but rather Dark Energy is CREATING ADDITIONAL SPACE-TIME BETWEEN THEM.....making it seem as if the Galaxies were accelerating away from each other at incredible velocities....but they are not.

Point is...Reality is much more complex than most people have even the smallest inkling of just how complex!

AvoveAlpha

 

A pagan belief is making a god of every unknown and not-understood event. If it is lightning - then a pagan would think of some gods throwing lightning bolts to the ground. If it is a draught they think of the sun's god to be angry with them. A pagan ability to make god of the unknown is not limited by a society or time. Not only tribals in the islands of the Pacific made something like cargo-cult. Modern people in advanced society also make god of the unknown. This is the only way for them to freeze their bodies in a belief it will be resurrected by someone in future. This is why people belived in philosphy stone and solar energy which would replace the common ways to get gold or energy. Your belief into A.I. is pagan in its essense. And it is not the way to offend you. Pagan religion is something the people have the right for, right?

I posted a link to wiki-article. Do you need an E.T. to read it? If not then read it and find anything which lies near the problem of A.I. If you find something you don't understand there - don't hesitate asking.

True. Every scientific theory of everything is just a part of the future scientific theory of everthing, like a giant 'matreshka'...

Yeah. But what does it have to do with A.I.?!! Which is a subject of discussion...

I know that God is impossible to discover and understand... Glad to see that you also found the same substance and put up with it. Progressists like to excuse their refusal of God with a moral value of attempt to learn and understand everything. Seeing the limits of your mind and abilities however helps to make a better use of what is within them. This is why A.I. is impossible to be created by people. They need firstly to find a reliable way to make human intelligence, but unfortunately the best results so far are reached with making boastful, ignorant, self-centered additions to a credit card.

 

Oh, no! I have a message for you, AboveAlpha, from the other side.

Don't challenge God to a cage match when you get to the other side.

You'll end up fighting your smirking body-double who will wrestle you to a stalemate, and you'll end up in a draw.

But whatever happens since you need a physical body to do that, and a physical bubble of reality as a location, you will both have to die afterwards before you can move on. Because that is the nature of consciousness and its connection to a body.

I'm told that if you still go through with it the breathable air will be removed from that bubble of reality shortly after the fight to hasten the inevitable process.

 

Actually today's religions are tomorrows PAGAN BELIEFS.

And as I said.....I am fairly certain A.I. already exists...1 in 1.5 chance.

AboveAlpha

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Any GOD a person is taught to FEAR.....is not a GOD that would exist anyways.

AboveAlpha

 

Your position is then only a GOD could create an A.I....is it not?

Well....you certainly will be surprised when they finally announce it to the General Public.

AboveAlpha

 

Actually, watching you fight was from one of my pre-birth memories. I took into this life several messages that I wanted to pass on. I didn't remember all of them but I just remembered this one.

And it turns out if you want your consciousness to do physical things in a spiritual place you have to take on a physical body. And then your physical body has to die before you can get back to the spiritual place so that you can move on and do other things.

Look you can take it or leave it.

I just want to try to cushion the blow of the cruel reality of what it means to do physical activities in a spiritual place. You don't have to be physical. You can still be a free, disembodied consciousness and that's going to be your main form.

 

Not at all. The monotheistic religion have a different quality and reflect a more organised society. The structure of people's belief reflects the social structure. Pagan beliefs have almost no structure. The tribes of one origin fighting each other are likely to have different gods and beliefs. When antique soieties transformed to somewhat a modern state - they received a structured myth system where every god was responsible for a certain area of activity. The monarchies appeared when there has appeared one biggest god from the former pantheon. Christianity as an idea and complex of moral values largely set up all the values and structure of the modern world where there is no greek or jew in the face of God, but the rules of being right are universal. The step back is done logically to the area of pagan structure of atomized society where are no values but those which are told by the strongest force.

I somewhat accept your faith and beliefs. It doesn't make sense to object it. It is a fact that you irrationally believe to somewhat you cannot understand. But I have a different point of view, which I explained above.

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Any GOD a person is taught to FEAR.....is not a GOD that would exist anyways.

AboveAlpha

 

I agree completely with your rather strong statement that..... any scientist "worth his salt" would NOT term himself to be an Atheist..... but would refer to himself as an Agnostic!

In my opinion...... .Richard Dawkins Ph. D. disqualified himself as an "Atheist" by his statements in this interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL7CCyuXAS4
Richard Dawkins: Aliens Seeded Earth?

............. Since Dr. Dawkins admits that he cannot rule out the possibility of an alien species evolving to the place where they could play a significant role in human evolution...... or even in our history....... then we have now progressed to precisely how to define the term "G-d"........ and depending on how we do that ...... Richard Dawkins Ph. D. is not actually an Atheist...... he is an Agnostic!

........... Once we talk about high level technology...... we even go into the realm of a possible "Afterlife" of some sort.... that could be a training ground for us humans as a form of "Artificial Intelligence???"

So..... in your opinion AboveAlpha......is it more probable for intelligence to begin in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.......... or in organisms based largely on the carbon molecule?


On a scale of one to ten...... for logic.... where would you rate the explanation given by near death experiencer Mellen Benedict on some form of intelligence being behind a series of Big Bang Events going back to eternity in the past?

Let's compare this...... with the traditional explanation given for the evolution of life as explained by many Atheists?

http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

Oh...... and it seems that Isaiah may have been far more educated than many theologians tend to imagine.....
Isaiah 40:22

 

Cool!

I have read quite a bit about pre-birth memories. Helen Wambach Ph. D.'s second book was all about some of these that can be accessed through hypnosis!

 

We have had no electricity for over two days........ we also had serious trouble with our router these past couple of weeks and I finally got to read the whole story about the rubies..... Seriously cool story!!!!

But.....

......... I can't quite agree with this because......... once we humans create A. I. that is actually beyond us for sheer intelligence........ we will start to argue about whether or not they have a soul........... and over a number of decades or centuries........... we may well decide to give A. I. genuine... but relative "free will"......... perhaps not absolute free will but certainly something far beyond what we have given AI at this time......... by keeping them completely away from the internet!

If........ altruistic "souls" of some sort are given to AI...... then they will be able to assist humanity to achieve the seeming "utopia" visualized by near death experiencer Howard Storm.......

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...rencies-finance-films-address-problems-6.html

(quoted in post #55 here):

 

Dennis,

AboveAlpha will save himself a lot of grief if he just remembers to ask about the secret first instead of just barging in to challenge God to a physical contest over all the suffering in the world.

Secret? What secret? It beats me, I don't know on this side of things. But if he asks, and he will remember this moment in perfect clarity (if he reads this) when he's on the other side, and if he just asks they will know what secret he's talking about, that he should know.

 

By the way Dennis, I was curious about what Helen Wambach has to say, so I bought her book, Life Before Life, on Amazon. A used copy because apparently it's been out of print for a number of years.

I don't know when I'll get around to reading it, because I'm ear deep in my math class homework, but I'll try to get around to reading it someday.



(By the way I also bought her book Reliving Past Lives, and I definitely don't know when I'll get around to that since it's 200 pages, but my mom is also interested in reincarnation and maybe I can show it to her in the meantime while I'm not reading it from my workload from school.)

 

Well, it's not like I believe in God, exactly. I'm an Atheist. So, I'm not afraid.

I remember a little bit about some kind of existence before life, but what really got me going, into thinking there might be something more, was something I experienced when I went with the aliens somewhere for the day.

There were multiple versions of me, and one of me died. The consciousness transferred from the dead me to the living version of myself. And there was a connection between my mind, and the mind of the disembodied me, and the disembodied me was connected to another place too.

The aliens were studying this disembodied version of me, but I existed both here, in the physical universe, and somewhere else. There was a connection between the two places. And, the aliens were having me look around and see what I could see there.

I met someone on the other side, someone of such immense size, and reach, and power...

That if they're not God then at least they can be described as they serve the function as essentially the main "spiritual" energy conduit of the Universe, if not Multiverse.

It gives energy to everyone else. The people, the consciousnesses, that exist on the other side. But it's not just an energy source, it too has a consciousness. It just never interacted with the physical Universe the way that the other consciousnesses have.

(By the way the consciousness on the other side has a limited essence. I don't know if it's mass, or energy, or spirit energy or what kind of essence it is. But I know each consciousness has a limited amount of energy like a battery and it drains out as they do things and they need a recharge from time to time or they'll "go out" and dissipate into non-existence.)

 

What if,

this is purgatory?

 

Is this a serious response, particularly in the bold?