AP: Gov't declares 22 Clinton emails 'top secret'

WTF would you want "stupid" person to become America's president?

 

AHHHHH it is Hillary and the State Department that have caused this to be dragged out, direct your displeasure at them. Even today the State Department is saying they will once again delay release, and why. Because they are trying desperately to get her through the first primaries.

 

Impeached president and his pardoned wife... What a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing couple... Pride of the Democrats

 

Are you sure? Are you 100% positive? This so called SAP by the media, codeword traffic, perhaps covert ops, covert intel, from initial planning on it is all classified.

But what I would like to know is how it got there? I can tell how such things as a spot report, unclas can be upgraded to confidential as more spot reports are added and then into a secret sitrep or opsum. That may be some of what we are dealing with here. But I would wager not all. But like you, I am just guessing unless you are on the FBI task force.

Anything dealing with what the news media terms SAP's, nothing is ever deemed unclassified. At least in DOD, not State may be different. State has been notorious for their lack of security, both physical and electronic.

 

Espionage is one of the few crimes that does not require criminal intent. There is a Navy sailor awaiting trial and facing 30 years for taking selfies on board a top secret Navy sub.

 

Your "outrage" is laughable. You refuse to see reality.

It was NOT illegal if they weren't classified when she received them.

But if you want to prosecute her for that, then you probably should prosecute Colin Powell for his doing the very same thing when he was SOS. And you may also want to do that for Bush, Cheney, Libby etc when they used an outside unsecured email service for White House communications.

The faux outrage for Hillary is ridiculous if you don't hold everyone to the same standard

 

Let's hope! Trump V Biden would be the funniest presidential election in history lol

 

Find me one running that isn't and they get my vote

Don't misread my defense of this situation to be a defense of Hillary, or that I am a Hillary supporter. Im not !

 

The only thing I'm not guessing on is that it is not illegal to have information before it is deemed classified. They would have to create an Ex post facto law to make that illegal, and we are constitutionally protected from that happening.

I agree, if she received anything that was classified at the time she received it on an unsecured server, and didn't report that, then yes she should go to jail. But that said, if there was ANY shred of proof that she did, she would have already been perp-walked. DC is such a hyper partisan town that there would be no way of stopping it. What we have today is made up "leaks", carefully worded "releases" etc. Nothing concreate, and after multiple investigations, nothing. Everything being done today is being done for the sole purpose of hurting her in the elections. nothing more, nothing less

 

So... From the lineup of current Presidential hopefuls you picked one who is under FBI investigation... Great

 

You dont get it. The only way that Clinton got this information was for someone to take it off of the classified server wither through a camera picture or transcribing it and then sent it to her. That is very very very illegal.

 

Are you 5 years old ? Read what I post.......I am not a Hillary supporter. I just point out facts to those so partisan that they cant see the forest thru the trees

 

So you'll admit you're wrong if she's not charged? Lol jk I know you'll just chalk it up to a conspiracy.

 

As I told you there is no intent requirement for espionage. A sailor is charged and facing 30 years right now for taking selfies on board a classified submarine. These AP experts aren't much for experts if they are ignorant enough to think that the espionage requires intent. Never underestimate the stupidity of experts.

 

Lol @ espionage. Well does that mean you'll be happy to admit you're wrong if she's not charged?

 

Made up conspiracy as a defense just got officially relegated to false.

Now anyone who still isn't convinced, perhaps you should at least be thinking...Do I want to vote for someone who will not be able to devote 100% of their attention to the Nation?

Because not matter how this ends up turning out in the end, it's not going to go away and she would have to spend time on it while in office if elected.


Oh what a great idea, I think Barack would be great on the Supreme Court. haha....that looks even more suspect now than it did yesterday.

 

lol Espionage? You are showing ever more and more ignorance of the law. Yes the crime the FBI is investigating is espionage.

How about this why don't you agree to leave the forum forever if the FBI recommends indictment?

 

I don't know if they will or not. I haven't made any declarations. But if you'd like to make that commitment then I'm all for it!

 

What are you talking about ?

Government "documents" are not the only things that can be classified. Having information about a specific persons whereabouts, plans, locations, etc can be deemed classified. And that information sent as an email in plain text could be classified. The only problem for the right here is that it may not be classified information at the time it was sent.

The information we're talking about was not classified before it was sent. It's a pretty easy concept to grasp if you try.

 

And m/b not........we may hear "As POTUS, it's my responsibility to follow the rule of law of this great nation of ours and w/deep regret and it pains the cockles of my heart to inform you fine people that Hillary Clinton had blatantly broke the law and will be placed under arrest..."

 

you mean like they did when her husband was in office. Guilty by accusation is good enough for the right.

Everything we are seeing now about the emails, Benghazi etc, is being done for the sole purpose of hurting her in the elections. The right doesn't really care about the information, or changing the rules that allowed her to have a private server, or even her going to jail. They just want to make sure that they beat her in the elections.

 

I have decided the use of the name Hillary to be illegal as of......right now.

Any further use shall be punishable with permaban....and so it shall be.

 

This is way past accusation stages grapeape. This is confirmation by the Obama Administration.
Look I can respect those who want to keep defending their candidate...but sooner or later you have to realize that this isn't made up.

The Republicans force the Admin to release this statement or something?

When people jump off a bandwagon, inevitably someone is going to be the last person to jump...dont be that guy.

 

Oh Wow! You sure nailed that one w/a perfect description!

 

There are times when I wonder if there was ever an election solely on ideas, solutions to problems, visions of where candidates want to take America. I am old enough to remember the 1956 and 1960 elections and for the most part I would say those elections were on ideas, solutions and visions. But beginning in 1964 elections became more about dirt and mud slinging and less and less about ideas, solutions and visions.

I don't know if Hillary did anything wrong or not. I think someone did, think being the appropriate word. I know how the government computer systems work and the many different networks. I am fine waiting to see what the FBI finds out. What happened with Hillary while she was Secretary of State could be nothing more than very lax security at State. It could also be bypassing security for convenience. I do not know. But I do know what is suppose to be on each network and how DOD handles it, not necessarily State.

My bottom line is we need to find out what was there, take appropriate steps to minimize the damage unauthorized access to what was classified could cause this nation. Then determine how it got there to prevent it from happening again, then find out who. National security should be above politics, campaigns, etc.

You mentioned polarized D.C., the political parties are so polarized that both will defend their own even if it is defensible. Their own is used by me as being generic, not taking aim at Hillary. Republicans hate Hillary, Democrats hate Trump. Why so much hatred?

Perhaps because hate and fear sells. It seems with each passing year this country is becoming more and more divided among partisan, ideology, political lines. I wonder if we were living in the 1840's and 1850's if we or at least I would be saying the same thing about this country, we are becoming more and more divided. That division sort of ended with the civil war.

If Hillary had a government computer and server in her residence would we have this same problem? Perhaps the same classified info may have been transmitted to her, I do not know. But everything she sent and received would have been archived. I am sure the furor would be much less. In fact the problem may not have even come to light.

I just do not know, all I tried to do is pass on my knowledge. Make of it what you and others will. The fact is with that much classified information on her server, this nation has a problem. A problem in dealing with classified information. Maybe the problem is solely within the State Department, I do not know. I wouldn't be surprised if it was.