NRA Commentary Admits The Odds Of Needing A Gun To Defend Yourself Are Infinitesimal

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Guns are freely available across the US; violent crime as well as gun related violent crime has dropped more than 50% since 1993 while the number of guns has gone up 24%
    Thus: You're wrong.
     
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    And yet firearms will remain freely available in the united states, as approximately forty one thousand new firearms are being bought and sold each day. The level of saturation for firearms in society has reached the point where there are more of them than individuals who can legally own them. That fact is not going to change even with aggressive legislative efforts. There is no point in continuing to talk about it, as nothing will change.

    The most common sources are through theft, black market sales, and acquisition from a friend or relative who is willing to purchase them a firearm, even if it is against the law to do so.
     
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    There is no correlation between gun availability and murder rate any more than there is a correlation between ice cream sales and murder.

    We have places like DC with a 5-6% gun ownership rate and ridiculous murder, rape and violent crime. Then we have towns in Texas that are knee deep in guns, and their violence is nothing.

    With roughly 80% of the killing in this country being done by gangs and drug dealers, there's only one metric that means more death:

    Where there are more criminals, gangs, and drug dealers, there is more murder. That's the bottom line.
     
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    sounds good, sadly it's to the point in society where all should have automatic freedom to be armed to the teeth

    training, responsibility, safety
     
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    How many lives have been saved because of armed citizens?
    Weapons are a deterrent to crime. Ask an experienced officer and they will tell you that criminals prey on the weak, and they cannot be everywhere at once. They could not respond to most threats in time to save the victims.
     
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    In answer to your first question:

    I am willing to concede that attempted crimes are under-reported by the news. I’m even willing to consider that the New York Times is liberal enough to not want to put a lot of resources into tracking guns-as-crime-stopper stories. I am certain there have been more than six incidents of guns used in self-defense in 2013. But in order for that number to reach the purported two million annual incidents, people are going to have to be quicker on the draw.

    http://www.the-broad-side.com/guns-for-self-defense-myth-versus-reality


    And a response to your subsequent assertions:


    Last week, the FBI released “Crime in the U.S., 2014,” a report that includes (among other stats) all incidents of gun violence known to law enforcement (except in Florida and Alabama, states that chose not to share that particular information). On “Expanded Homicide Data Table 11, Murder Circumstances by Weapon Type” (downloadable here), we see that the most common known circumstance for gun homicide is “arguments.” The number of people shot to death last year in arguments not during the commission of a felony (1,759) dwarfs the number shot to death in gang violence (667) and the number shot to death in drug trafficking (298)—combined.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/oregon-shooting-gun-laws-213222#ixzz3yfAAau00
     
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    yet, it is well regulated militia that is declared necessary to the security of a free State not a free People.
     
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    which means NOTHING regarding the OP or the gun advocates incessant claims that a UBC is somehow unconstitutional or keeps guns out of good citizens hands, etc.
     
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    it isn't that difficult to get Arms.

    http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/NFAGuidelines.pdf
     
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    Under federal law, someone who holds a federal firearms license is prohibited from selling a handgun to someone under the age of twenty one. Yet there is no corresponding federal law stating that it is illegal for someone eighteen years of age or older to actually own a handgun. Depending on the state jurisdiction, it is legal for someone eighteen years of age or older to purchase a handgun from a private individual for their own use, as they are legally recognized as adults. However this is not possible if background checks are mandated for private transfers.

    Therefore it can indeed be argued that universal background checks keep firearms out of the hands of individuals who have done nothing wrong. If they can legally purchase an AR-15 or any other rifle or shotgun from a federally licensed firearms dealer, then they have obviously done nothing wrong that would give reason for why they should not be able to make the purchase in the first place.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Note the information detailing how the average wait time for completion of forms is six months.
     
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    for class iii weapons.
     
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    Another fact.
    Most gun crimes are committed by Democrats.
     
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    Why would Republicans have a problem with having Democrats muster for militia duty instead of posse duty?
     
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    Unless you have a source supporting that it is not fact but fiction


    And suicide is a crime yes?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/gun-deaths/

    Most firearm suicides are white middle aged men

    http://www.vocativ.com/usa/guns/suicides-outnumber-homicides-comes-gun-violence/
     
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    Suicide is not a crime in the US.

    You can attempt suicide 100 times and the worst that will happen is you get hospitalized. You will not be charged with a crime.

    Assisted suicide is a crime in most states though I think. Haven't really looked into that.
     
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    As has been stated numerous times in numerous other threads, universal background check cannot be mandated without the accompanying registration of every last firearm currently in circulation.

    Why is that fact so difficult to comprehend? What is the malfunction that prevents that information from being understood?
     
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    Why do you think they so badly want to implement UBC?

    "Armed criminals are dangerous to society; we need to make it illegal for them to have guns"
    "It is illegal for felons to have guns, we need dealers to run background checks to felons can;t buy them"
    "Felons can buy guns thru private sales, so we need to implement universal background checks for ALL sales"
    "Well, we have UBC but it doesn't work because we cannot enforce it; to enforce it we need to register all the guns"
    "Australia had a mandatory gun buy-back program; we should implement that here....":

    It really isn't that hard to see.
     
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    You do realize that most people that own several firearms also purchase a new fangled invention called a "Gun Safe" ???
    A good quality Gun safe that holds 10 Rifles and has a handgun shelf costs around the price of one midline handgun, and most People buy one for homeowners Insurance reasons.
    Anybody with a small gun collection is not leaving them to be casually stolen, hence, a gun safe.....

    Available at Lowes, Home Depot, and any large sporting goods stores, always in stock..
     
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    Maybe you should learn what infinitesimal means
     
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    More than likely you will never need a gun, until you need one.
     
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    Lowes
    Stack-On 24-Gun Combination Lock Fire Resistant Gun Safe

    Item # 465887 Model # FS-24-MG-C-DS


    $599.00

    Approximately what a Glock 19 sells for.....
     
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    You may only need to defend your life or that of someone you love one time in your whole lifetime. But if you can't do it then you fail! There is so much senseless violent crime today so why would anyone choose not to be prepared for anything that criminals might do.
     
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    Law abiding gun owners would like to advise you to mind your own business.
     
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    One in ten thousand or one in 100,000 is meaningless when it's your turn to be the statistic
     
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