Why you can't have an honest or civil conversation with most racists

So you're saying that because I said something somewhere that hurt your feelings, it's OK for you to throw the first swings in any particular conversation with me. You just moved the goal posts to exonerate yourself. LOL...

Personal grudges that you drag in from elsewhere (your entire argument that I am "racist" comes from my not conforming to your untenable conclusions about IQ equality) are what motivated you to be uncivil on that thread in spite of that I was not uncivil to you on that thread until on that thread you fired the first shot. You wished me dead and dragged a black woman through the mud with misogynistic remarks (that you used against me as well) by calling us "whores."

So you can call others a whore which is an attack on their gender, but if you get a whiff of a racial slur in return, then you're the victim.

Yes, you said that.

Let's look at your motive for that: I held your feet to the fire here regarding your poor sources for IQ equality, and you went off on a rage and went to another forum to post your personal beef with me. LMAO...

Dropping your argument and going off on personal attacks isn't "intimidating" of anyone. It means you have no argument and are trying to rebound elsewhere. My God, you must think I'm as dumb as you are.

I went through that thread and she did no such thing. Your disagreement was ideological with her and once you learned her race, you went off into personal attacks calling her a whore and worse.

You did. Her crime was being black and sharing the opinions she did. And right after that you started on me because you transferred your rage toward her in my direction.

And you assume the use of the word "thug" regarding your beating someone was a racial reference. Are you channeling Richard Sherman?

Get this: Attacking someone because they called you a name is thuggish behavior. It's also extremely childish and shows you lack the ability to control your hostile impulses.

By your own story, you didn't beat someone up because they threatened to shoot up the school because the kid was suspended by your own account. You kicked someone ELSE in the face (which can cause serious injury or death) because he allegedly threw racial slurs at you.

Can't you keep your own story straight? You have an interesting penchant for changing the narrative of a situation to make yourself look really good. I have it in good faith you haven't done this on purpose.

Oh and somehow your reference to this white kid as a "hick" isn't a racial insult. What you did was hear the "N word" and threatened to physically attack someone for using it, following through on that threat. Stop pretending otherwise. You deserved the month suspension. Indeed, you deserved a stint in kid prison for it. You did not kick someone in the face to stop an act of terror; you did it because he said a word that hurt your feelings and like you do online, you completely lose control of yourself and go insane.

All you're doing is trying to justify YOUR starting the uncivil words with me on that thread by dragging in vague references to previous emotional hurts and then presenting things done AFTER you were attacking me and my gender, posting XXX porn, etc. Had you not done those things, I'd have not lifted a solitary finger. You have your chronology all mixed up.

Let's repeat: The thread was civil until YOU started it against first Rita and then myself, for reasons of ideology.

You said this before having failed 2 years ago to defend your use of him as a source while you've continually used him since on multiple threads on multiple forums, as if you were trying to pull the wool over the eyes of your opponents. You can claim the moon is made of cheese to those who question it, using a source that has earned bad reputation from his peers. All you're doing is making an ass of yourself and are wasting your energy because you aren't proving a single thing, regardless of how emotionally invested you are in that the moon is cheddar. You promised 2 years ago to read his dumb book and defend it and keep foot dragging. I'm not stupid. You're obviously NEVER going to defend his work which is why these threads turn ugly. They turn ugly precisely when I show up, question your use of Nisbett, and you can't answer. That's the trigger for every one of these meltdowns.

Because I don't respond to deflection you whip up hoping to save face and to deflect from your continued use of a bad source that you cannot defend. You must think I'm stupid.

In other words, you're doubling down on the idea that race doesn't exist but by the way you're going to use what you call junk science - cranial morphology - to prove they were black. If race doesn't exist, then don't claim any ancient civilization was of any given race. That's what consistency would look like. They were just human, remember?

Bullying? All they did was not let the blacks move into the cities they built, leaving the blacks to their own devices in the bush as they had lived before whites got there. How is mass immigration not a form of colonialism?

Except for that which comes from you. If I lost my mind every time over the duration of my life that I have had a black or Latino throw a racial slur at me, I'd have murdered hundreds by now. Oddly, I can control myself and have the intelligence to know when a moron is trying to bait me with slurs. Not everyone has that ability, clearly.

So in other words that the masses of people in Europe don't want these illegals swarming over their borders is a form of invasion, so you're on the side of the Europeans in removing them?

I don't claim Europe for whites. Nature did that. You just don't like white people telling you no, anywhere. Ever. For any reason. We are not obligated to take you in any more than you're obligated to take us in.

And if you want to browbeat people with historical grievance, keep in mind Africans invaded Europe first and took slaves from Europe first. And no, they didn't ask permission.

 

No, racist perceptions.

The current Black American IQ average stands at about 93 (Nisbett, personal communication). Blacks have made significant gains in IQ converging on the White average in recent decades (Dickens and Flynn, 2006). While statistically they score lower on mental tests (for environmental reasons) this in no way indicates that the average Black American is cognitively deficient. A person who scores between 85 and 100 on an IQ test can have reasoning skills ("street smarts") that are average to above average.

They just might not do as well academically.

Example:

[video=youtube;5uASxtHPpeI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uASxtHPpeI[/video]

I'm not excusing rape. If you study the psychology of rape you'd know that many rapists have a background of physical and psychological abuse. Some of them were sexually abused themselves.

How does this relate to poverty? Many people who suffer domestic abuse are poor. Poor people are under a lot of stress and more likely to abuse drugs. Growing up in an abusive household can adversely affect a person and lead them to exhibit bad behavior as they get older including committing violent crimes. Rape is a heinous crime and anyone who does it should absolutely be punished. I think they should get the death penalty personally. However what causes it? Certainly not high testosterone or any biological factor that racist quacks have come up with. I think you have to have a depraved mind to rape someone and how you were raised significantly impacts how you behave. Black people are disproportionately poor due to racial discrimination and more at risk for domestic abuse which explains higher rates of rape.

It is. Your suggestion that most of the Black Middle Class are both Affirmative Action beneficiaries and under qualified is completely unfounded. If I am wrong prove it.

You don't know what kind of grades I got, where I went to school or what I do for a living.

Without giving away too much personal information for privacy concerns (I have made a lot of enemies in racist circles and decided not to divulge information on my employment and career background after hearing about other people being tracked down and harassed) I will give you some info on my educational background. In 1st grade I took a mandatory assessment test and scored in the 98th Percentile (high average to superior intelligence). I was frequently recognized as the smartest kid in many of my classes, consistently making Honor Roll with an A average. In 8th grade I got a perfect score on the final exam for my Science class. When I went to high school they allowed me to skip Earth Science and placed me in a Biology class in 9th Grade. I took AP classes in high school. I scored 2380 on the SAT. I received an academic scholarship to attend one of the top colleges in my State. I maintained a 4.0 GPA in college and earned a degree while taking electives unrelated to my major just for fun.

I have taken online IQ tests and consistently scored above 140. Don't give me this bull about being accepted with lower grades than Whites and Asians. My intelligence is genius level by psychometric standards. I could get in to Mensa if I wanted to!

Now is my intelligence determined by genetics or environment? I believe it is a combination of both. Both of my parents are college graduates who make more than $100,000 dollars a year. My upbringing was Upper-Middle class. I grew up in middle class towns. So I had a good home environment, went to good schools and lived in good neighborhoods. A look at my family history indicates that I have good genetics for intelligence. Both of my parents grew up poor in the rural South. My paternal Grandfather was a farmer who made it as far in school as 6th grade. My paternal Grandmother was a house wife. They had several kids all of whom went to college one of my Uncles became a Nuclear Engineer, another worked for NASA. Two of my cousins on my Dad's side are lawyers. One of them is a doctor. My maternal Grandmother was a maid and a mailwoman. My mother grew up to become a Chemical Engineer and later earned a Master's Degree. She was a Straight A student throughout grade school and college. My father served in the military to help pay for college and earned a degree in Business Administration.

Now explain to me how two Black people who grew up poor with parents who did not have a good education can graduate near the top of their class in integrated schools, graduate from college and provide their children with an Upper-Middle class upbringing can achieve this if they do not have exceptional genetic potential for intelligence. My family history and personal live story is a solid example of the potential of African-Americans to succeed when given equal opportunities. My success has nothing to do with Affirmative Action.

I'm not interested in addressing this because it is a red herring. You have no case for claiming that Middle Class Blacks are unqualified for the work that they do.

 

There's nothing wrong with discrimination if it's in the best interests of the current citizens of that country.

Why would it be 'evil' for a country to choose who is allowed to enter and who isn't?

How is that morally reprehensible? Nations are not obligated to cater to foreigners.

 

So are you still unable to defend Nisbett's methods and conclusions which have been demolished by his colleagues while you keep using his work and emails as scientifically credible? It seems so.

Yet again you use a man's work as valid in spite of its multiple known flaws and deficiencies and rather than addressing those, put on airs that those deficiencies don't exist and thus the man's work is tenable to pass off to others, when it isn't.

Further, you had previously to me in our discussion on the StumbleInn forum stated that my citation from 2012 about the IQ remaining and not closing wasn't valid due to it's being "an old study," yet here you are presenting a study from 2006 that you hold up as valid. You presented the same 2006 paper as "recent research" and told me to "keep up" with it, while ignoring my much more recent data.

Can you explain this contradiction?

Further, in that same StumbleInn post, you asked for "counter sources" to your sources, which I have provided for 2 years and you can still not rebut.

Take note I am being civil here, thus attacks on my gender or otherwise are unwarranted.

 

Because you always hide it.

Another basic fact of IQ studies you need to be educated about is that online IQ tests are scientifically invalid and are not indicative of one's eligibility for MENSA.

Individual anecdote isn't scientific and it's a hasty generalization fallacy. As I've shown with multiple sources, twin longevity studies have shown that IQ is heavily genetic, intelligence runs in families, and adopted children's IQs are like their biological parents rather than the adopting family regardless of that adopting family's financially superior environment. These basic facts are printed in psychology textbooks where as the conclusions of Nisbett are not.

It seems very clear that regardless of how many textbooks and other valid sources are presented to you in these matters, you refuse to believe them.

 

LOL, so your strategy is rather then address an issue factually and rationally to simply call someone a "racist" when you don't like their view.

Congratulations, you have just proven that certain people will use the word "racist" and "homophobe" to slander and silence and shut down any conversation and dissent.

 

If you insulted me first then YOU are the one who started the uncivil behavior. If you don't start conflicts there won't be conflicts.

You started it not me. I proved you threw the first verbal jabs in that thread as did Rita. By the way I don't give a damn if Rita is Black. I have no more respect for Black racists than I do White racists and a particular disgust for self-haters like her. But I am willing to be civil with anybody who is civil with me. If you are uncivil with me you will feel my wrath!

The thread is not even about you. The central point of the story is that I put another racist in his place who was defending you.

You haven't proven to be very smart that is for sure.

I posted multiple racist comments that she made towards me and clearly showed that she made the first insult. Look up the definition of "Cha boy."

That was the comment that started the whole flame war between myself and Rita Marley. Before that I was very civil towards her despite her racism.

You're just being dishonest by claiming that I started the flame war with either of you. Both of you insulted me first.

It was clearly an insult regardless of whether the intent was racial.

What would you do if I could you a racist whore to your face? Would that make you angry? Considering your childish behavior on Stumbleinn which included posted images of murder victims, monkey masturbation and invading privacy by posting email and IP addresses you don't exactly have any credibility when it comes to maturity. That boy came to my table, threatened my friends with physical violence, used a racial slur and was obviously trying to verbally intimidate us. So I told him to leave or fight me. He accepted the challenge to fight so I beat him to a bloody pulp.

You need to work on your reading comprehension. Multiple boys at that table had a conversation about shooting up the school. We reported them. One of the boys was suspended because when he was interrogated he said if he was being accused of shooting up the school he would actually do it! The other boy who I beat up first for calling me the N-word and threatening my friends was part of the conservation talking about shooting up the school. The boy who I kicked in the face was one of the 3 boys who tried to surround me and attack me after I beat up his friend. It's all right there.

I have been consistent.

White kids in the school called other rural Whites hicks. This is equivalent to calling a Black person from the inner city a "ghetto thug."

My insult wasn't racial. Hick is an insult against a class of people. Now as far as my attacking this racist hick I gave him the option to leave or fight. He chose to fight. I beat him fair and square.

I fully admit that I lost control that day because I almost killed 2 of the 3 kids I beat up. I snapped. I try to avoid violent conflicts but I am extremely violent when I get angry. I also admit to getting unhinged when I debate racists online and get flamed. I have problems with anger management but I don't start conflicts I simply retaliate when I am attacked. That is what happened in my flame war with you and Rita. That is also what happened with this hick I beat up in high school. He started the whole thing. If he hadn't come to my table, threatened my friends and tried to intimidate us I wouldn't have challenged him to a fight and stained the floor with his blood.

Nope. You're lying. You are the one who started it.

Rita's first uncivil comment:

http://www.stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=427182&postcount=218

Your first uncivil comment:

http://www.stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=427267&postcount=289

Before that I was civil with people in that thread. By the way your comment was clearly racist. What is it you White Supremacists like to call violent Black behavior? TNB? That is exactly the suggestion here and that is why I called you a racist B-I-T-C-H. You started the flame war between us so don't complain when I retaliate.

Nisbett turned down my invitation to join the debate. I am working on another thread right now with a detailed opening topic. I will write the Nisbett thread soon because I am to shut you up once and for all.

Whether you choose to participate or not mark my words, you will be defeated.

Are you going to respond to the post or not? You're accusing me of lying about taking Psychology classes in college so go ahead and test my knowledge and refute the arguments I made in that post.

Go ahead. Or are you incapable of doing that?

I didn't call Cranial Morphology junk science. Craniometry is legitimate it just so happens that morphological traits are discordant and don't structure in to races. Biological affinity between populations is real.

Racists need to be put in their place. I am proud of the fact that I shed the blood of racists and separated them from their consciousness. Considering what they did to Black people throughout American history any White Supremacist who uses racial slurs to a Black man in public deserves to be killed!

I don't support illegal immigration. If a person is in a country illegal they should be deported.

Nature did not claim Europe for Whites. Whites nor any one else own the Earth. Why can't you just co-exist peacefully with your fellow man? Why are you so racist?

And that was wrong. Slavery was wrong whether we're talking about slavery along the Barbary Coast, the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians, Western Europeans etc. it is wrong. I'm not saying that Whites are the only people at fault but rather than reflect on the evil behavior of the past and learn from it you choose to be evil in the present. Why?

 

You seem to have zero regard for your heritage and are dick-driven. Sad.

Sure, we're all "jealous" here.

 

If you don't know something about someone then you shouldn't make claims about them that you can not prove.

The scientific validity of online IQ tests depends on the credibility of the test administrator. There are good websites you can go to in order to have your IQ tested that ask questions you would be asked on a standardized IQ test. Depending on the quality of the source you can get a good idea of what your IQ is. You can't get in to MENSA through an unofficial test (that's not what I was saying) but you can get an idea of what your IQ is.

My observations of my educational success and family history of educational and career success are indicative of my genetic potential for high intelligence.

I don't dispute any of that besides the conclusions of Nisbett not being printed in college textbooks. You don't seem to understand that the high heritability of intelligence tells us nothing about the cause of racial differences in IQ even though this has been explained to you.

 

Its always the white guy who is racist? Indeed you probably think that you can;t be racist

You claim environmental reasons. real science says otherwise

So what? It isn;lt badsed on poverty and black people commit raoe in vastly higher numbers than white people do and interracial rape between black and white people is overwhelmingly by black men on white women

How do you know that high testestorone isn't a major causitive factor in rape gioven the massive correlation beteen those with high testosterone and those convicted of violent sexual offences? Risk of domestic abuse equals rape? Bul(*)(*)(*)(*)

Given that Colleges allow black students to enter with vastly lower grades it is self evident

Whatever grades you got I know you wojuld have been able to get into a better school than an immigrant asian kid due to preferences.

yes and I got a Nobel prize for Physics. Anyone can say anything

Online huh? If you were a psychology grad as you claim then you would have had ample oppurtunity to take IQ tests for real.

 

Anyone can be racist. It just so happens that you are a racist.

What real science? Provide sources.

White women represent the majority of women in the country so they are the most likely to be rape victims of every racial group including by White rapists (the most likely to rape them) and Black rapists.

Statistically speaking though Blacks actually victimize Whites at lower rates than chance would allow.

Research shows that there are no racial differences in testosterone level and testosterone doesn't cause people to rape anyone. We had that discussion in your thread.

That doesn't mean that every Black gets through with Affirmative Action.

Even if that is true I am still qualified to do my job. I did not get through school via Affirmative Action.

True. You don't have to believe me. My vocabulary, reasoning skills and knowledge show that my intelligence is at a high level. That's all the evidence I need.

I didn't say I was a psychology Grad. I took electives unrelated to my major including psychology, biology, anthropology and history classes. The online tests while not official simply confirm the results of my assessment test, grades and SAT score.

 

White american women are a pain in the ass, for the most part. They are some of the most entitled, testosterone addled on the planet. Why the hell would I date a woman who annoys me when I can go to Asia and date hot, intelligent, well-cultured women? When young American white women get their attitudes in check and lose some weight, I'll consider dating "within my heritage."

 

How do you explain the results of the Scarr study which showed adopted Blacks who thought they were half-black had far lower IQ than half-Black students?

 

I insulted you nowhere on that thread until you attacked my gender. Why do you use misogynistic attacks against women? Where is this alleged "first" insult by me which justifies your misogyny? You've not shown me this.

No, you referred vaguely to alleged personal jabs external to that thread to justify your attacking me on that thread. What you reference on that thread I did AFTER your misogynistic attacks against me on that thread. You elevated the attack and I followed suit. You can label people "racist" if you want but you undercut your argument when you make misogynistic attacks, and your alleged claims of racism are not justification for your throwing civility out of the window and making misogynistic slurs.

I am sure you are aware that references toward a woman as a "whore" are at the level of calling a black person the "N word." You went there first, and I obliged.

This isn't your wrath, it's your childish tantrum. Ongoing.

You lied and said you beat up a guy for making terroristic threats as if you were a great hero. You committed aggravated assault against a guy who called you a name. That you bragged about stomping him in the head causes me to suspect your intent was to kill him, thus it would actually be a case of attempted murder.

Because calling me dumb vindicates your losing your mind, going to another forum, and posting attacks against me and pretending you "intimidated" me for doing so. No, that was a huge display of childishness and sour grapes.

Her alleged racist comments were her stating her observances and asking you questions about them. Rather than engaging her on those questions and points, you began to get offended and personal. The minute you found out she's blacker than you, you went off the wall.

No, it was her showing she was really black. And right after that you flamed in my direction when all I had done to that point was saying you "whined."

You're thin-skinned and horrifyingly vindictive. You take someone making honest comments about their observations which you hate and you then take that as a personal attack for which you become extremely vindictive. Let's repeat here: I called you a whiner and you attacked my gender with misogynistic remarks. If you're going to posit that such attacks are OK, then you're saying white people can attack your race because you called them a dummy.

Aggravated assault is thuggish behavior. Why would I be obligated to pretend otherwise? To spare your oft-hurt feelings? That's beyond thuggish behavior and into criminal.

I'd probably laugh and come up with some verbal response as I have done with other nut jobs with a bone to pick against white people that I've come across in person. Do you really think I've never had black bozos verbally attack me in person?

At least you finally admit that the kid didn't make terrorist threats for which you responded by beating him up. You are now admitting that you committed aggravated assault over a verbal slight.

You should have been thrown in jail.

As far as StumbleInn, you started it with misogynistic attacks and doubled down with XXX porn and otherwise. Stop crying about what you started. I simply returned fire.

Right, so you didn't beat up a guy for making terrorist threats.

Can you please stop changing your story? You're now accusing me of having reading comprehension problems after you made this claim on this thread regarding that incident which I questioned after reading your own account on The Phora,

"Actually I called you a racist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) after you accused me of "thugging it up" for beating up a White Supremacist who threatened to shoot up my high school and came to my table and threatened my friends after we reported him."

The kid who made the threat was suspended and was not the same kid. Further, you attacked him NOT for "threatening your friends" but rather calling you a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*). By your own account.

And yes you're a thug and a criminal for engaging in aggravated assault for having your feelings hurt.

At being inconsistent.

Blacks call other blacks (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s so whites can call blacks (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s. That is your argument?

It's obvious that you do. Yes and your anger management issues are also related to your exploding with gender attacks because someone is non-conforming to your ideological worldview and you broadly call them "racist" and use that label to justify your verbal attacks, pretending it's "retaliation."

It's akin to this: You're dating some woman and she said something that hurt your feelings. You use that as proof of her victimizing you and become enraged and revenge her 100-fold, insisting you are the victim when she barely said anything and didn't mean it remotely in the way you interpreted it.

That's all you do on the forums.

I shouldn't have to explain that my saying you were "whining" isn't a justification for you to attack my gender, yet you keep insisting I did something to start it. I did no such thing.

And since you cannot scientifically defend your views of IQ equality, you have no right to attack someone based on their nonconformity to your untenable belief.

With your temper, I have a very hard time thinking you haven't had multiple contacts with the police for it.

See? You're doubling down on that I just described above. Violating an ideological tenet of yours is not a provocation, it is not a drawing of first blood, and it is not "starting it."

"Starting it" means they are directly verbally assaulting you as you did to them. It didn't happen.

I accurately described a cultural mindset of which you engage in. I'm not allowed to describe it because I'm white, even if it meant being subject to your misogynistic attacks for calling you a "whiner"?

You just admitted to engaging in the very behavior I was criticizing. And what you are doing here is again attacking me for being ideologically non-conformant, not for being uncivil WITH YOU.

If I were to behave as you, I'd attack you like a rabid animal out of the blue every time you made a comment that was inconsistent with my worldview, which means I'd attack you for your false scientific statements each time you make them, attacking your race and every other personal thing I can think of. Note I don't do that. You, however, do.

I started no flame war. Having a belief system you hate is not a provocation for a flame war. It's not flaming. You flamed because my expressed views offended you. You need to man up.

Mmmnn, nope... You emailed him asking about the Lee review and he had no response outside of a couple cutting personal attacks on Lee and a deflection to "other guys" who did the study with him, and that left you without ammunition so the thread pooped out.

That Nisbett's conclusions aren't in textbooks as accepted consensus should have told you to not make such reaching assumptions about their viability in the real, peer-reviewed world.

"Defeat" me? With a guy who was outed in 2009 for having shoddy methods and conclusions who can't defend his work even in an email to a fawning admirer?

Heh...

Ignoring what I said about the deflection issue doesn't further your cause.

It's part of the false field of scientific racism and proving the existence of races, is it not? You're trying to have your cake and eat it, too. You claim race doesn't exist except these fossils show black so ha-ha-ha.

You're proud to have committed aggravated assault against an immature moron that should have gotten you a stint in prison because you can't handle acting like a man when someone calls you a name. We're all duly impressed.

That's another common bad aspect of black American culture: They see a white person who offends them and they - rather than dealing with them as an individual in the manner that the blacks themselves want to be treated - they lump them in with a bunch of dead white people who did X and Y, while at the same time would have an epic meltdown if whites lumped in an individual black regardless of his personal deeds with other blacks who did wrong, such as the jails that are packed with blacks.

But clearly being morally consistent is something outside of your ability.

Cool but you're also saying a population is "racist" if they object to poor immigration policy which is causing problems to the local economy, not counting culture, etc.

How's it racist? Whites are native to Europe. Sounds like it came from nature, so why do you get so angry that you immediately begin slur-lobbing?

I'm all about peaceful co-existence, but not being overrun. Why do you feel the need to follow whites around? Why can't you have your own sovereign territory and run it how you see fit? Why are you so threatened by this?

You just got done hanging the weight of everything about white people in history you hate on the shoulders of a single white brat in a school cafeteria that called you a name due to his skin color, and emptied that rage onto his body with your fists and feet. So yeah you are.

And when you single out whites and browbeat them about it to the exclusion of everyone else, you're not only doing that out of your own racist animus but are also very likely pursuing an agenda which you feel requires ideologically browbeating whites.

 

You mean MISTRA?

I've mentioned it and he can't answer.

 

Uh huh. Or maybe it's that you have issues attracting quality white women? I've noted that white male dating pool rejects tend to drift to Asians and Latinos the way fat white cows tend to end up with blacks or Arabs.

 

He rejects the study out of hand.

He can't make a coherent argument.

On the other thread he claimed brain size studies show Blacks and Whites have equal brain size because past studies did not control for variables.

So I asked how that conclusion made sense and he fled.

 

It's harder for everyone because obesity rates make the remaining women who are attractive that much more valuable. I can sleep with attractive white women, but it takes a lot more effort and the attitude is still an issue. In Asia, beautiful, intelligent women with good attitudes are easy as hell as to get. In America, you have to put in a lot of effort. I used to almost exclusively date white women, but once I got to Asia and realized how easy it was and how much I was missing out on, I decided that I would only spend my time going after them--white women are demanding as hell and not worth the effort, especially when there are better alternatives. I'd certainly consider eastern Europe, as I hear they are easy and well-mannered as well, but American white women? Hell no, at least not for anything more than a fling.

Globally, pretty much everyone knows that.

 

It's been a while since I last saw the StumbleInn thread, but I did think some of the things EJ said towards Rita (particularly the rape threats) crossed a line. But then, he acknowledged to me that he went overboard with those, and I agree that Rita herself provoked the situation with some horribly racist comments. Had EJ actually raped Rita in person, that would be a different situation (though I don't believe he would actually do that), but as it stands, I see the situation as basically one racist woman getting a taste of her own hateful medicine. And you have to admit, having a civil or honest conversation with someone who openly shows her contempt for whole races of humanity must be pretty hard. It'd be like trying to have a civil or honest conversation with someone who thinks cheating or stealing is morally acceptable.

As an aside, I'm a white dude who has a thing for black chicks, but I can't get behind the stuff ricky is saying about white women. It's all well and good to find certain physical features attractive, but personality-wise I would say there are as many types of black or Asian women are there are white. And lots of Asian countries are bulking up anyway.

 

Uh huh.

Except that southeast Asians both have markedly average IQs lower than whites and higher STD rates than white women. As such, it's amusing to see how many people claim that as a viable dating pool.

I would hope that since you refuse to date white women that are overweight that you aren't overweight yourself.

 

Where is that mentioned in the study? The correct interpretation of the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study is unclear given that it had many methodological flaws admitted by its own authors.

How do you explain the Brooks-Gunn study showing that that Black-White IQ gap can be eliminated by controlling for environmental variables?

I showed you the insult. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

I didn't claim I beat him up for making threats. I reported him to the office for those threats. I beat him up because he came to out table, threatened my friends and called me the N-word. This wasn't a case of aggravated assault. It was a mutual fight. I challenged him, he accepted and I won. I did not stomp him in the head. I stomped one of the other boys on the stomach. I was trying to kill them! I fully admit I took it too far however my violence was was the result of provocation. Also given the fact that they were expelled from school I do consider myself a hero for at least reporting them. They could have been on the verge of carrying out their threat.

You really don't know how to read. The thread was about my intimidation of another poster not you.

No, I did engage her and I didn't believe she was Black until she proved it. She called me a "Cha boy" I insulted her back and then she repeatedly insulted me with overt racist comments which led to my sexist remarks. The fact is she started it.

She made offensive comments to me first. You made offensive comments to me first. Those are the facts.

You started the whole thing. Stop whining.

Look, you are a racist. Why are you so dishonest about it? This is exactly why this thread was created. You are proving my point.

Thrown in jail for a mutual fight? The police investigated the case and concluded that while I did use excessive force in my retaliation I was provoked. The boy could have been charged with a hate crime.

Not only did he threaten to shoot up the school the target was Black people. Again he went to our table, threatened physical violence against my friends, called me a racial slur and when given the choice to leave us alone or fight he chose to fight and got the beating of a lifetime. Your interpretation of this situation is hilarious. Your racism is so transparent you can't even be objective about a simple story.

Maybe if I had attacked him randomly I would have been thrown in jail given his injuries but the school had a record of the fact that we reported these kids for threats before the fight which is why I was merely suspended and they were expelled.

I hope you enjoyed that porn. I hope it gives you dreams at night of getting pleasured by Black men with big penises.

You have demonstrated that you are not a good reader. The story is written in plain English. I clearly said that I reported a group of boys to the office, one of them harassed us at our table, threatened to hurt my friends and called me a racial slur. I never changed my story. I reported the boy to the office for his threats to kill all the Black people in school. I beat him up for what he said a the table.

How many times do you need to have this explained to you? A whole group of boys at a neighboring table talked about shooting up the school. The boy who got suspended did so because he flipped out in the Principal's Office and said he really was going to shut up the school. The boy who came to out table WAS one of the boys who made the threat. I didn't just challenge him to a fight because he used the N-Word. I challenged him to a fight because of what he was saying about my friends. This idiot talked for at least a full minute about how he was going to beat one of my friends up, then he made an overtly racist remark at the end about turning two of my friends in to N-words by shoving their heads up their ass. Interestingly he didn't say what he was going to do to me so I told him to leave or fight me, he accepted and I busted him up. I was very angry about the racist comment directed at me but I was also angry at his suggestion that my friends were N-Word lovers who deserved to be harmed because they were involved in reporting him and his friends for their threats.

Keep in mind that this was exactly two years after the Columbine Shooting and days after another kid was investigated for making threats to blow up the school. This was a very serious situation. This kid had already made threats that we reported. He confronted us and was being hostile. He was a Senior, two years older than us and had a reputation for violence (I heard he once beat up a teacher). I gave him the option to leave or fight. He chose to fight. He messed with the wrong kid. I'm a second-degree Black Belt in Goju-Ryu Karate. My sensei fought Billy Blanks in a tournament (almost beat him) and grew up on the mean streets of Chicago. Fighting is serious to us. I was taught that you should avoid conflicts when possible but if you can't then it is better to injure than to maim, better to maim than to kill and better to kill than be killed. This kid was dangerous and presented himself as a threat. I had a talk with my Guidance Counselor before the fight. She told me that the boys in question were "all talk" and that she didn't believe they would actually carry out these threats. She made the point that they had mental problems and were in a special program (Boces) to learn a trade and took anger management classes. She didn't want to investigate them under fear the school could be sued. I pointed out to her that no one is completely all talk and that these were the type of kids who actually had guns. Also the situation she described was similar to the situation in Columbine where kids with no serious criminal offenses plotted a shooting. She thought about it and decided to investigate.

My point is that you accuse me of having no self-control even though I was presented with a dangerous threat and decided the best thing to do was to eliminate the threat before they had a chance to do anything. Remember I gave this kid a chance to leave the table and leave us alone. He choose to fight. It was not aggravated assault it was a mutual decision to fight and he lost.

The N-word is a racial slur created by Whites to offend Blacks. That's not the same. A hick is a stupid, rural White person by definition. Blacks didn't create the word. If I called him a cracker or a honky that would be racist.

Your arguments are absurd. I have clearly defended the scientific position of equality in genetic potential for intelligence between human populations and you have never seriously debate me on this subject.

Nope. I have no criminal record. The handful of school fights I got in to were all handled by the school.

Yes, you did. Stop lying.

You were uncivil first. I simply retaliated.

You flamed me and I flamed you back. Stop complaining about a conflict you started.

Nisbett's conclusions are consistent with mainstream consensus on Race & IQ which is taught in Differential Psychology. I showed you a lecture from a Yale Professor proving this.

Lee's article is one of only a few negative criticisms. Nisbett is a first rate scholar with a good reputation and when I finish his book I will make the thread and shut you down once and for all.

You have no answer to my argument, plain and simple.

Craniometry has been misused by advocates of Scientific Racism but is generally regarded as valid science in the field of Biological Anthropology.

Human Biological Variation exists but isn't structured in to races.

A lot of men would have reacted the way I did towards someone who threatened their friends, threatened to kill them, attacked their heritage and was presenting themselves as an imminent threat.

You weren't there. This kid was going off the rails talking all kinds of smack and it got to the point where I thought he might actually attack one of us. So when he made his verbal threat and insulted me racially I told him to leave or fight. He made the wrong decision. It nearly cost him his life.

You're just a silly racist so maybe you don't understand but racism is so offensive in America because of our history. If a man threatened to rape you would you regard it as an isolated incident and treat him as an individual who is disrespectful to women or would you lump his attitude with other rapists and associate him with the worst of his kind? We all know that you threw a fit when I told you that people like you should be killed for their beliefs and have no problem attacking my race when you feel I am acting out so spare me the melodrama about moral consistency. I don't believe your mind operates with a moral compass. You are an advocate of a racist ideology and have not demonstrated the ability to be objective or honest.

I object to discrimination. Period.

Whites don't own the Earth. Just because you are indigenous to a region doesn't mean you get to say who else can live there.

I'm not threatened. I personally see White Nationalism as a joke. It's not relevant to my life. I just like engaging in intellectual conversation over racist views.

I quite enjoyed beating his racist ass.

You can play the victim all you like. The fact is that racism is evil and I am calling people like you out on it.

You can't answer this post.

 

I was referring to the numerous arguments made by other posters. I'm not claiming I've thoroughly, or even partially, addressed most of your points, but I would like you to respond to that lengthy post in which I attempted to address the issue with logical argument (I believe I explicitly stated that I wanted to avoid empirical arguments, at least initially). Also, I'd prefer you keep it in this thread, if you don't mind.

The chart you posted is even better evidence of what I suggested in my original statement about SAT scores. Don't you find it remarkable that black people with incomes of 200k are at parity with broke, disadvantaged whites?

See my immigration argument here: http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...americas-immigration-diversity-conundrum.html

Actually, black and Latino women are not as haughty and, in the case of Latino women, far more likely to assume more traditional gender roles, which I prefer--Asian women even more so. Many white women do have the issues I have mentioned. The left has done an admirable job of screwing up female psychology here in the west. This doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of decent white woman, only that there are fewer, as a percentage of the population.

Huh? East Asian women have higher IQ's than white women--that is well demonstrated. I'm not even claiming that white women aren't intelligent enough, only that many have deficient personalities, primarily here in America. 36% of white women in America are virtually un(*)(*)(*)(*)able, which has massive effects on the dating market. The situation in America is so bad that an average Joe, not too good and not too bad, is virtually condemned to a diet of land whales; in other countries without insane levels of obesity, it's not a big deal for average guys to have good looking women (most women are decent looking if they aren't fat). By the way, it's not hard to find Asian women without STD's lol.

I can send you a picture of myself, as well as pictures of women I've slept with, if you wish. I have tons of nudes in my phone and emails to confirm that I'm no slouch with women. I do, however, have a hard time keeping them around once they realize I'm broke.

 

I can't say I share your preference for women who subscribe to "traditional gender roles". If anything, I probably gravitate more towards the ones who can take care of themselves rather than needing a man to do everything for them. I do find certain activists claiming to be "feminist" obnoxious, but in my experience they're more whiny and manipulative than they are strong or independent.

I wonder how many of these women had "good attitudes" before realizing you were broke?

 

I admit that I went too far in that thread even though Rita and Empress started it. I am not a sexist or a rapist. I made those comments to shock and offend her.

 

I don't want them to be slaves, I just want them to act feminine and be cute. I also don't want to be controlled or have to deal with insubordinate attitudes every time I get off work.