John Kasich Will Be the Republican Nominee for President.....

Yeah....and how did that vote go?

Fact is Romney's GOP handlers screwed him because Romney was the one who developed Universal Healthcare in my state of Massachusetts and not only did it work we saved BILLIONS OF DOLLARS using it.....his GOP handlers told him NOT to discuss this which was his crowing achievement.

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The network with the best ratings is, by definition, mainstream. Mainstream isn't even an insult, I'll never understand the rightist obsession with making mundane terms out to be insults. 'Mainstream' Liberal', 'Establishment' (though the left seems to have taken that 1 as well), 'environmentalist', etc. Do you guys even know what these words mean?

 

I prefer to call it the Huffing Paint Post.

 

How Trump plans to win>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...a4ffce-fdb3-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html

 

I like your signature line. I agree.

 

Trump thus far has received 37% of the total Republican vote, very far from a majority if one defines majority as 50% plus one. Only in Massachusetts where he received 49% of the vote did he come close. You do have as of this moment in time 63% of Republicans who preferred someone other than Trump. But I agree, the GOP is danged if they stick with Trump and danged if they do not.

The reason so many Republican members of congress along with the party leadership is against Trump is that he is seen as a loser in November. Not so much for any of his political views. You have 20% of all Republicans stating they would never vote for Trump in November and 54% of all independents stating the same thing. The fear is Trump as the nominee will cause the GOP not only to lose the White House, but the senate also and perhaps put the House at risk.

Believe me if the leaders and elected members of congress saw Trump as a winner in November, they would be embracing him with open arms and doing everything they could to get him the nomination.

 

I believe to get to the place where the nomination could be "stolen," you have to assume he doesn't get 1237 before the convention, and therefore doesn't win on the first ballot. What, by your definition, would constitute Trump being cheated out of the nomination? If someone else gets the nomination fairly and squarely, how would they do that and the Trump supporters not see it as Trump being cheated?

 

Yet he did not gain in delegates that much. Now that Salon and Huff Po have started up the questioning of Hillary's intent and motive. They along with MoverOver dot Organisms.....can turn the majority of the left away from her.

Its poetic justice watching her get ripped apart by the left wing rags.

Soon she will enter into that depression.....look to play victim. Thats when the Right should then Unload all of her baggage to air.

 

So now hows Hillary looking with Huff Po and Salon bailing on her? Throw in MoveOver dot Organisms, and that a good 30-40% of the Demos base Pero. She is at damn near, 70% of Indies that are against her. Which after some more dirt comes out on how she is Compromised by those overseas. It will rise even higher. Only those who are her supporters can't figure out what her intent and motive was. Yet more and more everyday people can.

Can Hillary lose 30-40% of her base.....lose over 70% of Indies and have those on the Right against her and win Pero? I think Not.....even if those Repubs that want to hand the Election to the Democrats stay at home and don't vote.

Oh, and after the election. Should the Demos win.....those that stayed home. Can just keep on staying home. Don't ever come out again. Don't let us see you out and about. Hide!

As we won't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the sell outs and we will call them out as such. Sell outs, Mopes of the treasonous type, and we will put their pathetic asses on full display.

 

The GOP was a throwback to the philosophy of the early Republic - small very limited government. The DP, since Wilson, has been a progressive Big Government party. The RP, since Teddy Roosevelt, has been a progressive party. Surely you, of all people, now that. Kasich is a Big Government progressive very similar to Clinton or Jeb Bush and their ilk.

Cruz makes noises like he is not a progressive - who knows? Trump is clearly not ideological, he is popular because of his antiestablishment stance on several issues.

 

The RNC makes the rules for the convention...what they will do remains to be seen....though it has been documented an effort to steal Trumps delegates is already underway.

 

Your analysis is extremely flawed. You seem not to understand that so many candidates spread out the total Republican Vote.

Trump is the only hope of the G.O.P. You have put too much importance on polls...which at this point in time are not credible.

The establishment does not see Trump as a loser...their overiding fear is that he will win....way too radical for them....aka he actually stands up for the White Working Class.......intolerable to the progressives and the politically correct Republican establishment.

The republican big wigs would rather have hillary than Trump...and George Bushs wife made that clear....she would not dared to have revealed that if she did not know how the big boys in the party feel.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...BF-Jh-I2g82o76Z-Q&sig2=dDqz4EYndac4mGf9JxgbfQ

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...jsppmwZz-3Fd5mk_Q&sig2=JG5QnEfCBySwGj_68q8LGQ

One of the great things about Trump is that his campaign has made it crystal clear....there is very little difference between the progressive democrats and the politically correct republican establishment....and both have brought America to its knees.

If America is to be great again..........political correctness must be destroyed. That can be accomplished....at least in the republican party...by defeating the establishment candidates aka rubio and kasich who hope to steal the nomination.

 

Yes, I know that shenanigans are afoot. As a Trump supporter, I'd like to know your opinion on what would constitute stealing the nomination and if there is any circumstance where if Trump does not get the nomination that it will be seen as fair and square by Trump supporters.

Edit: I'm not looking to debate your opinion. I'd just like to know from a Trump supporter, if there is a way for any other candidate to get the nomination and the Trump supporters to think it is fair and not stealing.

 

Once again, there is actual factual evidence of past elections to look at. When you do this, you realize that the polls are very accurate.

 

They will need to get a pic of Cruz's face, when he finds out that they dropped Rule 40 for Kasich

 

I am a numbers guy when it comes to elections, not an ideological one who put faith in hope. Even with the little spat between Sanders and Clinton over the last couple of weeks, the fact is the Democratic Party is much more united. The Democratic Party base vote is approximately 32% of the electorate vs. 26% for the Republicans.

Take a look at this:

9. Are there any of these candidates you would definitely not vote for in the
presidential election: Clinton, Cruz, Kasich, Sanders, or Trump? (Totals may add up to
more than 100% because multiple responses were allowed)

…………Tot…Rep..Dem..Ind
Clinton 43% 80% 06% 46%
Cruz……33% 11% 54% 32%
Kasich…14% 08% 21% 09%
Sanders.27% 58% 02% 19%
Trump….54% 17% 87% 54%


Independents are completely turned off on a Trump vs. Clinton match up. But only 6% of Democrats with the larger base vote state they would never vote for Clinton vs. 17% of Republicans who state the same about Trump. Kasich and Sanders come out the best here. But with Kasich it doesn't include those Republican Trump Supporters who are sure to feel the nomination was stolen from them.

Trump has gone out of his way to make enemies within the Republican Party, his threats, his bullying tactics, his name calling, his feuds with Bush, Rubio and Cruz. He acts like he will never need their supporters come November. Whatever happened to the Reagan's 11th commandment?

If you remember Romney made a lot of Gingrich supporters mad at him for his personal negative attacks on Newt during the Florida Primary. Romney won the Florida primary but lost Florida in the general by just 0.88% of the vote. Less than one percent. A lot of Gingrich supporters stayed home and didn't vote in November. Not that winning Florida would have made a difference in the outcome of the 2012 election. But that is an example of what happens when a candidate utilizes the tactics of a Donald Trump.

Unless I see a change in the numbers, a different trend developing, Hillary looks like the next president baring an indictment. Trump has made way too many lifelong Republicans mad at him. Hillary will have a much easier job of uniting her party. But the majority of Americans want neither to be the next president.

Independents are averaging 39 for Clinton 40 for Trump with the rest being will not vote, vote for someone else or undecided. But more interesting breaking down the 39% of independents who say they will vote for Clinton only 22% are for Clinton, 75% are against Trump. On the reverse side, of those 40% of independents who state they will vote for Trump 31% state they are for Trump, 66% against Clinton.

The bottom line very few independents are for either Trump or Clinton. But more independents are against Trump than Clinton while more independents are for Trump than for Clinton. The results thus far are about a 50-50 split among those who go to the polls which will not be a normal turnout, it will be much smaller than normal as a bunch just won't vote. Who does that help? Right now I do not not know

 

If Kasich becomes the Rep nominee, how could either the Trump or Cruz Reps, and even the Bernie Dems not vote for "Mr. Rogers?!"

 

Even Brokaw pointed out that the Demos are playing to narrower base. So that would whittle it down some more wouldn't it?

Moreover, I already showed you the numbers of an in depth analysis of Hillary with women. That includes Hispanic and Black women.

I also told you Hillary's unfavorable would rise.....and rise they have.

I watch the numbers.....but then I also pick up whats trending, breaking, then hook up with the insiders. This way I get a better picture than just going with only numbers.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

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Even Brokaw pointed out that the Demos are playing to narrower base. So that would whittle it down some more wouldn't it?

Moreover, I already showed you the numbers of an in depth analysis of Hillary with women. That includes Hispanic and Black women.

I also told you Hillary's unfavorable would rise.....and rise they have.

I watch the numbers.....but then I also pick up whats trending, breaking, then hook up with the insiders. This way I get a better picture than just going with only numbers.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

 

remember, the right said they want the voters to pick... is that true or not?

 

As they say, "Words are cheap," even more so in politics.

 

Trump supporters are easy, quite a lot of them will be so peeved, mad if you will. They will think the nomination was stolen from Trump. For quite a lot of them it is not the Republican Party they care about, it is the individual, it is Trump the person. You can see this in polls that ask the question if they would vote for Trump if he ran as a independent/third party candidate against a Republican and Democrat, Clinton.

Half of them would abandon the GOP to vote for Trump. In a Kasich vs. Clinton matchup those Trump supporters who feel the nomination was stolen would rather stay home and not vote than vote for the man whom they think stole the nomination. It is called hard feelings, anger, etc.

Sanders supporters are not in love with Trump either. Most are very anti-Trump. The anger they have at Clinton and the Democratic establishment is very different than the anger Trump supporters have at the Republican establishment. Sanders supporters think government isn't doing enough, that the Democratic Party establishment is in bed with corporations and Wall Street. Trump supporters are mad at the Republican establishment, congress if you will, of seemingly lying down and letting Obama and the democrats have their way. That those elected Republicans have shown no will to fight, Trump has shown that. Yes, both Sanders and Trump supporters are angry, but they are angry for different reasons. Most of Sanders supporters will easily switch to Clinton over Trump, Clinton may be evil in their eyes. But she is a whole lot less evil than Trump or any other Republican to include Kasich. Sanders attracts the younger social justice liberal Democrats. They are not about to suddenly support a Republican candidate whom they see as anti-social justice.

Cruz supporter probably would back Kasich to the hilt. Kasich and him haven't had a feud going on as Trump and Cruz has. Kasich would probably unite all factions of the GOP except the Trump supporters.

 

Oh sure, there will be 'reasons,' but my point is that Kasich is the most harmless, not having made any unhealable (new word) attacks, and the best chance, esp with a Rubio VP selection and then combining both of their electoral votes, to be palatable for a GOP run over a 'universally' hated Hillary..i.e. best shot at healing the party at least thru this next election

 

I don't see how the Democrats have the narrower base when their base vote is 32% of the electorate vs. 26% base vote for the Republicans. Perhaps Brokaw ought to look at the numbers. I took some time and went back looking at independents and averaged those polls who listed the favorable/unfavorable ratings:
Independents, Clinton 28% favorable 55% unfavorable Over the last two weeks her favorable has dropped 7 points, but her unfavorable remained the same.
Independents, Trump 25% favorable, 65% unfavorable Over the last two weeks his favorable dropped 4 points and his unfavorable remained the same.
Independents, Kasich 41% favorable, 37% unfavorable Over the last two week his favorable and unfavorable has each risen 4 points.

Independents are the reason Kasich defeats Clinton while Trump loses to Clinton by double digits.

 

I agree with that. That is if Kasich can somehow garner the support of Trump supporters. Kasich strength against Clinton is among independent voters. Kasich in head to head match up with Clinton wins the independent vote handily. Trump is either even or behind with independents which is why he is now trailing Clinton by double digits.

You are absolutely correct, Kasich hasn't made any enemies of other candidate supporters like Trump has. A Kasich/Rubio ticket is the one to defeat or at least has the best chance of defeating Hillary.

 

Its not accurate to say that the polls are not credible, they are an accurate snapshot of where things stand right now. They could definitely change is what you are really saying. The problem with that notion, is that typically the mindset would be that as the public gets to know that candidate better, their views are likely to change. With Trump however, he is already extremely well known, even long before this election started. He is a polarizing candidate to say the very least, and it is wholly logical to say that most people already now where they stand on him, and it isn't highly likely that many people are going to change their stance regarding him.

Additionally, as a Republican, I know full well that the media is going to immediately turn on any Republican candidate once they get the nomination. This has happened in every election during my lifetime, and this is part of the predictable balance of things. It is not fair, but it is an additional obstacle that all Republicans must overcome to win the presidency. With Trump, he gives the media LOTS of ammunition with which to attack him.

Their overriding fear is that he is going to lose, and create losses all the way down the ballot due to his polarizing nature. I realize that this is a common narrative being bandied about that their real fear is that he is going to win, but just because Trump supporters and some others keep repeating that narrative, that does NOT make it true. It is politically convenient to attack ones opponent with accusations such as "they don't want to support the white working class", or " they want to maintain political correctness", but in reality those assertions are baseless and not even remotely logical.